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Opinion Now hear me out.... Jayden Short to play Mid / Forward in 2025
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If Short get's it on the wing he is kicking it 30m out from goal, smash or not that extra distance over the back is where backs least like it and forwards love it. Stewie Maxfield did it all the time, not a great player but his kick kept on going.
2km time trials, they are for the new blokes and MacIntosh. Short's running is fine. Plus you can rotate through the wings from half forward and midfield and with someone like Banks back as well.
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There is the small problem of having to win your own ball on the wing.
Not Shorts strong suit
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We'll respect the guy when he starts respecting the jumper and his teammates. Too many soft efforts including an absolute shocker late in the season where he pulled out of marking a kick from Nank, let the opposition mark the ball and kick a goal (whilst blasting our captain).
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Don’t mind the idea of Short half forward.
I also would like to see Balta on a wing. Our two biggest issues last year was no one to Mark the ball coming out of defence and no pressure on opposition midfielders going forward.
Plenty of options down back with Gibcus, Miller, Young, Blight, Smith, Brown, Banks, Trezise, Vlastuin, Broad and Trainor.
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I also would like to see Balta on a wing. Our two biggest issues last year was no one to Mark the ball coming out of defence and no pressure on opposition midfielders going forward.
Plenty of options down back with Gibcus, Miller, Young, Blight, Smith, Brown, Banks, Trezise, Vlastuin, Broad and Trainor.
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For those who quickly forget, Short sprayed our captain in Round 18 vs GWS for his own selfish effort. Unaccountable and culturally damaging.
Forgot about what?
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Some posters reckon others are a disgrace for not wanting him in the firsts.
And they have forgotten what he did to our captain.
Do. Not. Want.
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Hasn't been Shorts role as such, but obviously not his strong suit, but as a wingman it's not a big part of your game necessarily. MacIntosh averages 4.54 contested possessions a game over his career, Short 4.18. MacIntosh is a low possession wingman with a low hurt factor, Short would most likely be the opposite, obviously not as strong over the ball. Worth a look I think.
The main point is I think we need to develop new players for new positions. Time to move Short from his pet position and make him earn his keep, and develop new players who will take us forward.
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This raises some interesting questions regarding our expectations of senior players or leaders?
For me senior players need a clear role but first and foremost they need to embody team standards and set these standards by example….
For me senior players need a clear role but first and foremost they need to embody team standards and set these standards by example….
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Our senior players are becoming fewer and fewer. Massive amount of games lost this year, but on form over the last year or two, some of those players won't be greatly missed or need a refresher. Baker, Rioli, Bolton and Graham all wanted a change. Some of our senior players also need a change up to give them a new challenge. With a player like Short, it is time to challenge him because last year he did not embody team standards. Leaving him at half back will say last year was a pass mark.
Where is the third option? Delist please.
One saving grace for him maybe the fact we did not draft one running player in the draft.
Hope we don't lose sight of the fact that next year is not about winning finals its all about getting games into younger players.
Having a great chuckle to myself people saying lets play him forward. Did we not learn a thing over the last few years where we have played mids defenders and what have you as forwards to the detriment of actual forwards.
Where in the scheme of running defenders does he fall. then do a list of mids then a list of forwards.
Do the exercise and it becomes very apparent there is not a place in the best 23 for him.
I hope i don't have to go thru another year of tiger supporters singing about how good a kick he is. It is the biggest most outlandish furphy in the entire league.
Opposition teams want him to have the ball because nearly every time when he goes forward it either ends up a turnover or a neutral ball that just comes back over his head.
Have had this debate many a year and it continues but he is exactly the same player he has always been.
Giving blokes long contracts is one reason why people continue to question Blair at times.
One saving grace for him maybe the fact we did not draft one running player in the draft.
Hope we don't lose sight of the fact that next year is not about winning finals its all about getting games into younger players.
Having a great chuckle to myself people saying lets play him forward. Did we not learn a thing over the last few years where we have played mids defenders and what have you as forwards to the detriment of actual forwards.
Where in the scheme of running defenders does he fall. then do a list of mids then a list of forwards.
Do the exercise and it becomes very apparent there is not a place in the best 23 for him.
I hope i don't have to go thru another year of tiger supporters singing about how good a kick he is. It is the biggest most outlandish furphy in the entire league.
Opposition teams want him to have the ball because nearly every time when he goes forward it either ends up a turnover or a neutral ball that just comes back over his head.
Have had this debate many a year and it continues but he is exactly the same player he has always been.
Giving blokes long contracts is one reason why people continue to question Blair at times.
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he should be training there now and fighting for his spot
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I like Ralphsmith off half back. Or even Ross. They’re pretty comfortable at the level now and we probably need a calm head down there. Smith, Clarke, Banks better on the wing for now.
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Kicks more 60m bomb goals roaming up the ground loose from the backline
Gets a defender on him when he lines up forward which he can’t handle and hardly has an impact on the game. Took Dumma almost a year to work it out
Gets a defender on him when he lines up forward which he can’t handle and hardly has an impact on the game. Took Dumma almost a year to work it out
Short has low impact of hb you have seen what happens most of the time in games. So how does that equate to him being high impact on a wing. He will still panic and just bang it down the line to no one.
It always amases me how myths appear in footy.
Someone says Short is magnificent by foot and everyone jumps on board. Enough say it for long enough and presto you have your myth.
Imho we need to replace Dan Rioli with a player who has pace, takes the game on by running lines knows how to and when to defend and uses the ball well and won't panic.
We have a kid who actually has all the right attributes and it is incumbent on the club to look past players like Short who lets face it is appallingly poor in too many areas.
Jayden Short plays nothing like Dan Rioli.
Being at 12.30 on the premiership clock then we should only be looking at Short for depth.
The long term vision must be on the likes of Smith, Trezise, Brown and Banks in defense even HRS and i can see no reason why players like Campbell and Clarke could not be trialled there im playing them all before short steps even gets a look in.
Given where we are at development wise and where we are on the clock this is just common sense.
Im going to ask this question for all to answer. Outside of his debateable disposal i exclude this because it generally is a sticking point when discussing this squib, theres those who see it those who don't and it goes around in circles.
What other attribute outside of his supposed kicking/delivery does he do so well that it demands he gets a game? is he better than others in these areas
No place for him in defense no place for him as a forward imo. Sneaking up from the backline and sneaking the odd goal once or twice a year does not mean he is a forward.
Continually playing mids and other types in the forward half has hurt development of actual forwards.
We must develop and find out once and for all about the likes Alger, Rioli Campbell if he is to stay forward, Clarke, Mansell and Green at the least they will add pace and a defensive mind set to tackling and pressure.
Alger aside who i think may surprise people this year these actual forwards need games and opportunity
But no people want to Try 29yo shits his pants Short in their place.
Given where we are at and how long it will take to contend again i don't get this here and now sort of thinking.
Tiger supporters hate Hartley being criticised but a long contract for this guy was a mistake.
Final point if this bloke asked to go somewhere else i very much doubt there would be takers for him i know i would not even contemplate going after him even when we were winning premierships.
The impact of Short's kicking off the wing would be that the extra depth that he gets over 95% of players. His kicking from the wing would be landing in the 30m out zone, and more often going over the back, which forwards love and backs hate. I have likened it to when Maxfield got the ball on the wing, his kicks kept on going and hurt sides. He also just banged it long.
I also would like to see Short phased out, but that is not going to happen next season, so where else to play him. Personally I would rather see Mansell up on the wing or even half back, but that is probably not going to happen. Would also like to see Green played there in the VFL because I think his kicking is very good kick and he goes at it pretty hard.
HFF is probably a more defensive position than a rebounding HBF these days. “Delivery inside 50” is like 5% of the job. You’ve got to have a big tank and work up and back through the arcs, cover outlets on defense, work home fast on offence, while providing defensive pressure and the occasional lead up / outlet for kicks out of D50. Heaps of unrewarded running. Short isn’t that suited to it IMO.
