Now the Herald-Sun have a secret tape of Hird, Corcoran, Bomber et al?

[BattlerGM]

Stay in school kids.

Only asked you to back up your premise.

 

[jenny61_99]

Only asked you to back up your premise.

Did you even read the article?

 

[imperial_oz]

Did you even read the article?

First rule of alternative facts - read only what suits your agenda, dispute everything else

Second rule - question everything and demand proof of such a high burder that it can't be achieved

Third rule - repeat nonsense over and over - then quote yourself using long history as a justification

 

[BattlerGM]

First rule of alternative facts - read only what suits your agenda, dispute everything else

Second rule - question everything and demand proof of such a high burder that it can't be achieved

Third rule - repeat nonsense over and over - then quote yourself using long history as a justification

Ease up, mate. Just wanted to learn more about the claim and by extension, the whole fiasco. The article linked doesn't mention that Dank believed it was ok to used banned substances simply if it's compounded. As for your three rules, there's plenty of that on both sides of this issue

 

[jenny61_99]

Ease up, mate. Just wanted to learn more about the claim and by extension, the whole fiasco. The article linked doesn't mention that Dank believed it was ok to used banned substances simply if it's compounded. As for your three rules, there's plenty of that on both sides of this issue

No offence, but where have you been the last five years?

 

[imperial_oz]

Ease up, mate. Just wanted to learn more about the claim and by extension, the whole fiasco. The article linked doesn't mention that Dank believed it was ok to used banned substances simply if it's compounded. As for your three rules, there's plenty of that on both sides of this issue

Yeah naaah.

Dank's poor understanding of the Anti-Doping process and his attempts to circumvent it are not new. The use of a compounding pharmacist to get around the rules was known at least four years ago. Its failure has been known for almost as long.

As for the both sides comment, the only observed use of people using multiple accounts and quoting from each of them has been from 'allegedly' non-Essendon supporters pretending to be outraged neutrals. That failed a long time back as well...as I'm sure you are very aware.

 

[BattlerGM]

No offence, but where have you been the last five years?

No offence taken

Just hadn't heard that one particular snippet that I highlighted.

 

[BattlerGM]

Yeah naaah.

Dank's poor understanding of the Anti-Doping process and his attempts to circumvent it are not new. The use of a compounding pharmacist to get around the rules was known at least four years ago. Its failure has been known for almost as long.

As for the both sides comment, the only observed use of people using multiple accounts and quoting from each of them has been from 'allegedly' non-Essendon supporters pretending to be outraged neutrals. That failed a long time back as well...as I'm sure you are very aware.

Not sure what you're getting at here.

Doesn't suprise me that Essendon supporters might use fake accounts to be pretend to be morally outraged but that doesn't change that there's bias on both sides. I didn't think my questions regarding ol' mate's posts were that crazy (best two investigative journalists in the country? c'arn) but other's disagree, as is their right. Oh well. Best of luck for 2017

 

[Satan]

Not sure what you're getting at here.

Doesn't suprise me that Essendon supporters might use fake accounts to be pretend to be morally outraged but that doesn't change that there's bias on both sides. I didn't think my questions regarding ol' mate's posts were that crazy (best two investigative journalists in the country? c'arn) but other's disagree, as is their right. Oh well. Best of luck for 2017

Winners of walkely awards , have a good track on investigative journalism

 

[Samsquanch]

Actually, the two best investigative journalist/ in Oz, Baker and McKenzie, suggested as much.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-in-doctor-shopping-to-beat-ban-20130722-2qf3x.html

"Essendon's 2012 supplements program involved a ploy to circumvent anti-doping rules banning substances not approved for human use by "doctor shopping" in an attempt to get prescriptions to obtain drugs from a compounding pharmacist.

A small number of Essendon officials last year believed that having drugs prescribed by a doctor and then supplied by a compounding pharmacist meant the World Anti-Doping Agency's ban on substances not approved for human use no longer applied."

Even so, assuming they got some doctor to prescribe the equine potion, wouldn't they have also needed a TUE. Even Lance Armstrong was wise to that.

And was there ever any comeuppance over the Medicare claims that were supposed to have been made back in the day?

 

[Muggs]

Even so, assuming they got some doctor to prescribe the equine potion, wouldn't they have also needed a TUE. Even Lance Armstrong was wise to that.

They would not get one for "experimental" medicine.

My reading of this is Dank got confused between "permission to use" in specific circumstances and "approved for use".

 

[Samsquanch]

They would not get one for "experimental" medicine

Didn't think so.

Other than that it was all good to go. Yeah, right.

 

[imperial_oz]

They would not get one for "experimental" medicine.

My reading of this is Dank got confused between "permission to use" in specific circumstances and "approved for use".

My reading is that Dank didn't much care for the difference. Dank appears to think that he's smarter than everybody else and he certainly doesn't mind taking risks with other people. Remember some of those statements he made to Nick McKenzie:

"if we have to wait for an absolute blueprint piece of scientific literature on everything that is used in exercise we would end up using nothing."

That translates to "we don't know whether there are deletrious effects from the use of these substances and we are not waiting around to find out."

If you want to form an opinion of Dank, read his 'on the record' statements to McKenzie, including those where spoke specifically about the use of TB4, very specifically. It was only after he was informed it was a banned substance that he tried to claim he mispoke. He was very clear about the TB4 and it's impact on the immune system.

You only have to read his words and i note he's never denied saying them to McKenzie. I do note the total absence of any lawsuit which given his litigious nature, speaks volumes. He subsequent attempts to rewrite history regarding his comments to press sound remarkably like Gillian Triggs comments regarding her comments to he press. In my view, you couldn't rely on either of them for a honest statement.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html

 

[GTOA]

If atheltes follow their anti-doping training this won't happen.

Check the substance they plan to take against the ASADA (and now international) "check my substance" website, app or hotline. That will then come up with either safe to use, banned, or unknown. If banned or unknown don't take, that simple. If unknown also look at the ingredients on the package and check them as well if you still thinking about taking it. Save the receipt number.

Play safe on the DCF if tested and declare everything your took.

Not that difficult.

Except when WADA sneakily add drugs to the list, and then send an e-mail two days before Christmas, amongst e-cards and other mail, which may have even gone to the spam folder, and then Maria Sharapova, who had taken a drug she needs medically for twenty years, gets a two-year ban.

Hate to think what would happen if some Russian or German mad scientist comes up with a way to turn cough syrup, or diabetes medication, or another medication needed medically, into a performance-enhancing drug, WADA then add it to the banned list, and now a sportsperson must retire from their sport because they have a choice of keeping taking the medication, which is needed for their health and life, or keep playing sport and be banned, or play sport, not take the drug, and drop dead on the field, or has a medical emergency, because they are not taking something they need to live, so that they can play sport and not be banned.

Woe to the day any sportsperson with a medical condition can no longer participate in sport because some cunning scientist has turned a medicinal drug into something that can be used as a performance-enhancing drug, or a masking agent.

 

[GTOA]

First rule of alternative facts - read only what suits your agenda, dispute everything else

Second rule - question everything and demand proof of such a high burder that it can't be achieved

Third rule - repeat nonsense over and over - then quote yourself using long history as a justification

You have just described every single person on BigFooty.

 

[imperial_oz]

You have just described every single person on BigFooty.

Don't judge everybody by your low standards. The majority of Essendon supporters have shown themselves to be far more open-minded than you have...you and a very few others

 

[Muggs]

Except when WADA sneakily add drugs to the list, and then send an e-mail two days before Christmas, amongst e-cards and other mail, which may have even gone to the spam folder, and then Maria Sharapova, who had taken a drug she needs medically for twenty years, gets a two-year ban.

Hate to think what would happen if some Russian or German mad scientist comes up with a way to turn cough syrup, or diabetes medication, or another medication needed medically, into a performance-enhancing drug, WADA then add it to the banned list, and now a sportsperson must retire from their sport because they have a choice of keeping taking the medication, which is needed for their health and life, or keep playing sport and be banned, or play sport, not take the drug, and drop dead on the field, or has a medical emergency, because they are not taking something they need to live, so that they can play sport and not be banned.

Woe to the day any sportsperson with a medical condition can no longer participate in sport because some cunning scientist has turned a medicinal drug into something that can be used as a performance-enhancing drug, or a masking agent.

They don't sneakily add it two days before Xmas. New list comes out before oct 1st each year. Sharapova received multiple emails. Also worth noting that her manager who was tasked with checking knew the list was updated each year and did not check the year in question.

If it is a medication the atheltes need they apply for a TUE, why TUEs exist. In medical emergency they claim no fault, as happened.

Not one thing you said here is true.

 

[GTOA]

A Carlton supporter criticising Essendon for cheating the salary cap and wanting them to lose first round picks.

Pot! Kettle! Black!

Carlton, the most corrupt team of all (you even had two presidents who got charged with crimes).

Also, at least Essendon never held a press conference to announce their new coach (Mick Malthouse) while the rest of the footy world was mourning the death of a footballer on an end-of-season trip, like one club, who shall remain nameless did.

A Carlton supporter criticising Essendon for cheating the salary cap and wanting them to lose first round picks.

Pot! Kettle! Black!

Carlton, the most corrupt team of all (you even had two presidents who got charged with crimes).

Also, at least Essendon didn't hold a press conference to announce their new coach, the day after the rest of the footy world mourned the death of an AFL player in Las Vegas.

I'm surprised that Carlton didn't announce Brendan Bolton's appointment the week the footy world mourned for Phillip Walsh, since sensitivity isn't the Blues strong suit.

 

[jenny61_99]

Also, at least Essendon never held a press conference to announce their new coach (Mick Malthouse) while the rest of the footy world was mourning the death of a footballer on an end-of-season trip, like one club, who shall remain nameless did.



Also, at least Essendon didn't hold a press conference to announce their new coach, the day after the rest of the footy world mourned the death of an AFL player in Las Vegas.

I'm surprised that Carlton didn't announce Brendan Bolton's appointment the week the footy world mourned for Phillip Walsh, since sensitivity isn't the Blues strong suit.

Jesus man. Stop embarrassing yourself further.

 

[blackshadow]

The whole saga will be a TV mini series one day


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Floggard says it will be a movie...

 

[NoAFLinmycomp]

Except when WADA sneakily add drugs to the list, and then send an e-mail two days before Christmas, amongst e-cards and other mail, which may have even gone to the spam folder, and then Maria Sharapova, who had taken a drug she needs medically for twenty years, gets a two-year ban.

Hate to think what would happen if some Russian or German mad scientist comes up with a way to turn cough syrup, or diabetes medication, or another medication needed medically, into a performance-enhancing drug, WADA then add it to the banned list, and now a sportsperson must retire from their sport because they have a choice of keeping taking the medication, which is needed for their health and life, or keep playing sport and be banned, or play sport, not take the drug, and drop dead on the field, or has a medical emergency, because they are not taking something they need to live, so that they can play sport and not be banned.

Woe to the day any sportsperson with a medical condition can no longer participate in sport because some cunning scientist has turned a medicinal drug into something that can be used as a performance-enhancing drug, or a masking agent.

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Wow - the ignorance is staggering!

Someone needs to go down to one of their local sports clubs/ schools for an introduction session on drugs in sports and the regulations.

Thank all gods that our kids are well covered on the basics.

If that is too hard or inconvenient to manage, then here's some additional starting info - you can "home-school" yourself all about your rights and responsibilities on anti-doping at any level, from juniors right through to masters and seniors events!! As a bonus, there's also coverage on TUEs!

https://www.asada.gov.au/anti-doping-programmes/education/school-lesson-plans

https://www.asada.gov.au/anti-doping-programmes/education

You might also want to re-read up on Sharapova's case as well. She copped it on the chin, she "manned-up" (to help you out there, with colloquial, old-boys club, AFL footy coaching hand book term, that you might be more familiar with).

Sharapova admitted to her point of failure - she trusted someone else. She outsourced her personal responsibility.

Sound familiar?

 

[NoAFLinmycomp]

Except when WADA sneakily add drugs to the list, and then send an e-mail two days before Christmas, amongst e-cards and other mail .....

Here you go - the 2017 list, published and sent out sent out Sept 29, 2016.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2016-09/wada-publishes-2017-prohibited-list

They would have already kicked off the revision process for 2018's list as well.
And lookie there at the bottom of this quoted section, a handy reminder to athletes about TUEs, for anyone that believes that they have a legitimate medical reason to keep using one of those listed to be banned from 01/01/17.

Yep. Very sneaky indeed!

"...
The List’s annual revision process is led by WADA, beginning with an initial meeting in January and concluding with the publication of the List by 1 October. This is an extensive nine-month consultation process which includes gathering information, circulating a draft list, stakeholder submissions, committee recommendations and the approval of the List by WADA’s Executive Committee during its September meeting.

It should be noted that, for athletes who have a legitimate medical reason for using a prohibited substance or method that is on the List, they can be accommodated via the International Standard for Therapeutic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), which has overwhelming acceptance from athletes, physicians and anti-doping stakeholders worldwide.

To view the changes made to the 2017 Prohibited List, please see the 2017 Summary of Major Modifications and Explanatory Notes.
..."

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Did you even read the article?

Not a chance.

It would clarify just how much of the program was by design.


We can't have that.

 

[Percel]

First rule of alternative facts - read only what suits your agenda, dispute everything else

Second rule - question everything and demand proof of such a high burder that it can't be achieved

Third rule - repeat nonsense over and over - then quote yourself using long history as a justification

I demand to see this book of your alternative facts in the next 5 minutes! I demand it now, in person...

 

[imperial_oz]

I demand to see this book of your alternative facts in the next 5 minutes! I demand it now, in person...

Oops. I missed the deadline.

Oh well, when it gets published, I'll be sure to neglect to send you one, you big fat figbooty keyboard warrior , you!