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What do you mean?
I thought that I explained the reasons that I feel he is unelectable. Obama is a supporter of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. He considers him a role model and a spiritual mentor. The Rev. Wright is a supporter of Louis Farrakhan. If Hillary Clinton supported such a radical and controversial hate-monger that is a supporter of David Duke, then her candidacy would not have lasted this long.
Well you're living in fantasy-land if you think that Clinton can't clear any hurdles that the Republicans will put in front of her. She has already been scrutinised for years and has survived this long. Obama has not been scrutinised for years so any controversy hurts him much more than it can hurt Clinton, and the uncommitted superdelegates know it too. I certainly know what the Republicans will attack Obama about, so please tell me what you think the attack ads for Clinton will be about.
I actually don't think the Democratic Party will want to put Obama in that position because they will understand that attack ads are much more likely to harm the unknown candidate that won't share detailed depth of policy, but speaks well. Attacks on John McCain, who has been in the public eye for a very long time and has served his country will not have anywhere near the same effect.
But on the other hand today he said that he has heard similar sermons from Rev. Wright in the past. If he is the inspiration for his book, and his spiritual mentor and role model that coducted his marriage and baptised his children, then I have no doubt that he has heard this stuff from him before in their more than 20 year relationship.
That's a flip-flop, and I'm sure he has heard just as bad before too. Why didn't he denounce Rev. Wright? How could he possibly compare this bloke to his grandmother? I didn't hear Obama say that he got up and walked out of his church during one of these hateful sermons, which was the overwhelming reaction of most viewers on telly earlier. I didn't hear him say that he had tried to talk to Wright about his radical views either. People get up and leave if they disagree with certain important views from a priest, particularly such controversial views as those from the Farrakhan-supporting Rev. Wright
I'm not desperate, so stop twisting the topic into a judgement of my character. Why can't you just discuss Obama and his hate-filled role model? I personally feel that Obama's relationship with this nut makes Obama unelectable. "America's chickens are coming home to roost." "God-Damn America." Blaming America for 9/11. Accusing the US government of deliberately spreading HIV amongst African-Americans. Comparing the US to al-Qaeda.
I saw his speech and of course he said some positive things. He spent time preparing for it, and speaking is what he does well. I'm also sure that the Rev. Wright has done some wonderful things for other people, and I'm not doubting that, but it doesn't mean that he is not a hate-filled looney though that only 8% of Americans have a positive view.
So what??? Are you fair dinkum? Oh for goodness sake. What the Rev. Wright said was beyond controversial, as is his support for Louis Farrakhan.
Okay then let's start. Which controversial figure that has spewed equal crap has a presidential candidate called a mentor and a role model?
That's what I said. He was a controversial figure way before this controversy.
Firstly, show me one of these so-called "double standards" that you speak of? Making that up doesn't make it right you know sunshine. Secondly, show me an example of when I defended the two people that you speak of, unless of course you made that up as well? I would appreciate it if you actually bring up the things that I have in fact said, and not what you make up.
Yes they are and I'm sure that this controversy will not go away for Obama.
Compared to the views of Obama's spiritual mentor and role model? She absolutely is! This relationship will create a massive divide with many Americans.
What are you talking about? Is this some sort of personal insult? Why do you need to mention me and not stick to the topic? The fact is that I was thinking the same thing about you regarding your apologetic view of a hateful and controversial figure that only 8% of Americans have a positive view. I believe that this association should and will cost Obama the Democratic nomination.
Romney was only a couple of big Super Tuesday wins away from being in prime position in the GOP race, and he was still in a plausible position when he withdrew, especially considering the winner-takes-all situation. The reality was that although he still had a chance he knew that, barring a major McCain blunder, it was extremely unlikely that he could win....JUST LIKE IT IS FOR CLINTON!
Where is this rule stated? "People" have their own way of dealing with controversial views...
Ummm, where exactly did I say that this is a rule?
Is that so? Well then, what would you do if you were sitting in church as a priest was condemning, cursing and attacking Australia? I am not either a nationalist or a patriot, but I would certainly be insulted enough to get up and leave. I would get up and leave if it happened here in the US because I would find it insulting to people that I know here that are close to me, and I'm not even American.
He absolutely did if his ambition is to be President of the United States and the leader of the free world. To personally disagree with anti-American views of someone that he refers to as a spiritual mentor and role model is a monumental contradiction. Barack Obama was one of the first people to condemn and call for the sacking of Don Imus regarding his controversial and sexist views regarding the Rutgers University women's basketball team on his radio show last year, yet he failed to disassociate himself from Wright yesterday, and instead decided to compare him to his grandmother.
I agree, so why are you having such difficulty with it?
It just goes to show goes to show what a religion national pride has become.People will even sacrifice their own religion to worship the flag.
Well I wouldn't be in a church in the first place, but for arguments sake, I PERSONALLY would stay there and listen to what the man had to say and his reasoning, however deluded it may be seen to be. Who knows, there may even be something constructive to take away from it in the end...
Is this in the constitution?
No it isn't. He wasn't going to Wright for policy advice. He was a spiritual advisor to Obama not a political advisor. There is a difference.
His point (which clearly went over your head) was that you can be close to someone, without having to share their views. To accept their difference of opinion and look beyond whatever personal views they hold.Barack Obama was one of the first people to condemn and call for the sacking of Don Imus regarding his controversial and sexist views regarding the Rutgers University women's basketball team on his radio show last year, yet he failed to disassociate himself from Wright yesterday, and instead decided to compare him to his grandmother.
With what exactly?
What do you mean?
Dunno what angle they'll take with Clinton. But I bet a war hero like John Kerry didn't expect to be tackled over his war record... And that's the point. Who knows what they'll dredge up to attack Clinton with. But it'll happen.
That's just wishful thinking on your part.
While you're consulting your crystal ball perhaps you could give me someTattslotto numbers?
Obama made it clear that he was referring to Wright's statements that were originally publicised and that started this controversy. There is no flip-flopping or contradiction there. If you persist in misunderstanding this point, you're just being willfully obtuse.
I thought you listened to his speech? If you did, you'd understand why he made that comparison. His point was that good people, and people who he loved unconditionally, and people from different racial backgrounds, could nonetheless have similar racial blind spots and reflexes.
What a load of garbage. I wonder how many Catholics agree with their church's views over contraception. How many of them do you think walk out of their church when the sermons turn to this subject? How many churchgoers disagree with their church's position on homosexuality or the role of women, yet don't walk out? You're inventing a litmus test that simply doesn't exist.
Obama has said he doesn't agree with these statements. If Obama doesn't agree with the statements, what's the issue here? Jeremiah Wright isn't running for the presidency. Barack Obama is.
Jesus H Christ on a Unicycle, Rev Wright isn't running for the fricking nomination! Obama is. Obama has rejected Wright's views, and Farrakhan's views, and while he's at it he should probably preemptively reject the political views of Will Smith, Danny Glover, Michael Jordan, Viv Richards, Harry Belafonte and anyone else who has a dark complexion and happens to support him. This whole line of guilt by association that you're pushing is cynical and self-serving.
I don't personally attend church very often myself, although my Dad did study to be an Anglican minister before choosing to marry Mum instead and finding a different career. That said, I wouldn't be angry at such views, but certainly offended enough to roll my eyes, shake my head, and get up and leave. I don't have time for such looney views.
And to consider this hate-monger a spiritual adviser and role model for more than twenty years? No way.
Who said or implied that there is a rule? If someone that is largely unknown such as Barack Obama wants to run for President of the United States and the free world, then it would be best advised to not consider an anti-American as a spiritual adviser and role model. He is free to do so of course, but it makes him unelectable of course.
Ummm, yeah, sure, of course it is.
I'll tell you what. Why don't you just download the full US Constitution, and read every single word? I don't think they charge you too much for it either.
Of course it was a monumental contradiction. It seems that you may have missed this bit in my last post, but for more than a year, Obama had spun and denied the knowledge of controversial sermons from Rev. Wright and claimed that the only controversial views that he knew from him was regarding Africa, abortion and gay marriage. He flip-flopped regarding that in his speech yesterday though when he admitted that he had heard controversial sermons before.
He is not just his spiritual adviser either, but a role model. To be a role model covers much more than spiritual views, and thankfully much of America has cottoned-on to that now. The anti-American, racist, homophobic and anti-semitic Minister Louis Farrakhan, was also the recipient of The Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer Award last year, so it's clear where the Rev. Wright gets his views from.
What are you on about? His point most certainly did not go over my head. I know that he was giving an example of choosing not to disown Rev. Wright of course. I also understand that he used his grandmother to make a political point. How a comment from his grandmother is comparable to a hate-filled, anti-American rally is beyond me.
Of course they are entitled to hold them, but to me there are just some issues that it make it impossible to be close friends, advisers and role models. Are these friends your spiritual advisers, the influence of a book, and/or role models? Are they holding rallies or sermons and shouting their hateful views into a microphone? If they are not doing any of these things, then it is not comparable of course.
