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It's good that people are waking up and realising these rich zionists who are controlling all the wealth need to be held accountable.
 
Bomberboy12 said:
It's good that people are waking up and realising these rich zionists who are controlling all the wealth need to be held accountable.
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If you're implying that Jews own the planet there's a few things you need to keep in mind....

1) Wealth Redistribution would involve considerable financial impact well beyond the scope of a few "rich zionists". Given the number of people in the world who earn less than $1 a day, mathematically speaking it's entirely possible you and I both would be looking to give up large proportions of our hard earned to redress the imbalance. Be careful what you wish for.

2) Jewish =/= Zionist necessarily. I've met plenty of Jews in my lifetime... I can only remember meeting one Zionist.

Just some food for thought.
 

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Si Botak said:
If you're implying that Jews own the planet there's a few things you need to keep in mind....

1) Wealth Redistribution would involve considerable financial impact well beyond the scope of a few "rich zionists". Given the number of people in the world who earn less than $1 a day, mathematically speaking it's entirely possible you and I both would be looking to give up large proportions of our hard earned to redress the imbalance. Be careful what you wish for.

2) Jewish =/= Zionist necessarily. I've met plenty of Jews in my lifetime... I can only remember meeting one Zionist.

Just some food for thought.
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do you know what a zionist is???

and yes jew does not mean zionist .

but if you have only met one zionist in your life youre sleeping.
 
TheHeatleyStand said:
do you know what a zionist is???

and yes jew does not mean zionist .

but if you have only met one zionist in your life youre sleeping.
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Yes, I do know what Zionism is. I don't mean this as a blithe rejoiner or snipe, or even as a hostile question in any way, but are you yourself sure of it's definition?

I've met as many non Jews who support Israel, as Jews who don't - plenty.... but that's not what Zionism is. Zionism is support for Israel as a Jewish state in exclusivity, that being a state which is for Jews and only for Jews.

Note the distinction. That's not support for a state that has Judaism as it's chosen state religion but with guaranteed religious, political, social freedoms etc which welcomes citizens from anywhere so long as they pledge political and social allegiance to that state's government. Zionism is something rather more extreme, the notion that the state, in this case called Israel, can only belong to one socio-religious-ethnic group at the exclusion of all others.

I've met very few people who think that Israel should be functioning along those lines, regardless of what those people may think of the ongoing disputes there, or of it's existence in the first place.

If you're referring to other interpreted or perceived categories of Zionism, then the notion of only meeting one Zionist does indeed go out the window. But it also makes the previous statement about "rich zionists" owning the planet that much more ridiculous as well.
 
Wait till the 53% who pay taxes find out there isnt actually any law in the US constitution that requires them to pay federal income tax. Technically its a voluntary tax but when push comes to shove and the IRS are asked to provide proof of the legislation that provides the frame work which allows them to demand tax, not once have they ever produced it. Not one penny of US Federal income tax goes to paying any type of federal service provided to the people and infact is entirely used to pay a never ending debt the US has with its federal reserve bank which is unbelievably a private organisation. The US borrows every cent it needs to fund the cost of running government and the federal income tax is used to pay that debt.

Wait till the people of America find out there has never been an audit of the gold at Fort Knox which is controled by the Federal Reserve, not forgetting the Federal Reserve is a privately run organisation. There are serious concerns that the gold isnt even there and if so would mean the US as a nation is broke.
 
christoh said:
Wait till the 53% who pay taxes find out there isnt actually any law in the US constitution that requires them to pay federal income tax. Technically its a voluntary tax but when push comes to shove and the IRS are asked to provide proof of the legislation that provides the frame work which allows them to demand tax, not once have they ever produced it. Not one penny of US Federal income tax goes to paying any type of federal service provided to the people and infact is entirely used to pay a never ending debt the US has with its federal reserve bank which is unbelievably a private organisation. The US borrows every cent it needs to fund the cost of running government and the federal income tax is used to pay that debt.

Wait till the people of America find out there has never been an audit of the gold at Fort Knox which is controled by the Federal Reserve, not forgetting the Federal Reserve is a privately run organisation. There are serious concerns that the gold isnt even there and if so would mean the US as a nation is broke.
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You forgot about those evil Jews. :rolleyes:
 
How dare you imply i was making a reference to Jews, your comment is offensive and baseless. From what I understand of what I commented on there is nothing to suggest there are any Jews involved and that is reflected in my post by the fact I make no mention of Jews.

What on earth made you make a connection between what I wrote and then your stupid comment? Have a look at yourself before you paint others with the mindless thinking you obviously employ.
 
christoh said:
How dare you imply i was making a reference to Jews, your comment is offensive and baseless. From what I understand of what I commented on there is nothing to suggest there are any Jews involved and that is reflected in my post by the fact I make no mention of Jews.

What on earth made you make a connection between what I wrote and then your stupid comment? Have a look at yourself before you paint others with the mindless thinking you obviously employ.
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I don't know.

Just the conspiratorial gibberish you were sprouting that basically belongs in Question Time. You lot are generally anti Jew (oh sorry, Zionist :rolleyes:) so if you're not then you would be the exception to the rule.

Let me guess.
Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill President Kennedy, 911 was organised and approved by the US, there was no moon landing and the World Bank is controlled by a select few individuals who use it for their own purposes.

Am I right?
 
No Constitutional Law on Federal Income Tax: FACT
US Federal Reserve privately owned: FACT
Fort Knox - Never Audited: FACT

I dont deal in conspiracies just facts.

EDIT - I have my personal feelings on Jews, Israel and Zionists but I havent really looked into it enough to form an educated view point that Im ready to start sprouting in a public forum. Just because a bunch of people had previously been talking about Jews and Zionist before my post doesnt mean my post had anything to do with what they were saying.
 
Plus whats wrong with you that you have twice now felt the need to paint me with either a racist or conspiricy nut brush when nothing in my posts indicated either of those things.

What do you stand for Daytripper?? Do you have opinions that you think would add to the debate?? Whats your point of view of the occupy wall street?? Have you looked into the reasons of why they are protesting?? Where do you see yourself in this debate?? Do you believe capitalism is sustainable?? Have you ever formed an original thought of your own??
 

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christoh said:
Plus whats wrong with you that you have twice now felt the need to paint me with either a racist or conspiricy nut brush when nothing in my posts indicated either of those things.
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Excuse me - that chuck of gibberish is exactly what conspiracy nuts sprout.

Do you have any facts or evidence at all to back those statements up?
Why do you, a poster on Big Footy, know all this information, yet people much, much smarter than you and who are involved intricately with US finance and law don't seem that concerned.
christoh said:
What do you stand for Daytripper?? Do you have opinions that you think would add to the debate?? Whats your point of view of the occupy wall street?? Have you looked into the reasons of why they are protesting?? Where do you see yourself in this debate?? Do you believe capitalism is sustainable?? Have you ever formed an original thought of your own??
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Fine. I mean I have made my position quite well known on these idiots in this thread but understand that you probably don't want to trawl through it all.

1. POV of Occupy Wall Street - a bunch of under-achieving leftist protesters who seemingly want to blame the rest of the world for their failures as individuals.
2. I don't think anyone knows why they are protesting or what they are protesting about. They are not advocating any solutions to any of their perceived issues.
3. Debate what ? They haven't provided any solutions.
4. Of course capitalism is sustainable. Again, what is your alternative solution?
5. So if you don't approve of Occupy then you don't have an original thought - typical conspiracy theorists nonsense.
 
I doubt you will watch it but after I watched this I looked into this further and found most of it checked out. The first 2/3 of the doco focus on the federal income tax, the federal reserve and the legality of the federal income tax. The final 1/3 focuses on central banks and New world order and to me does have a very strong feel of conspiracy theory attached to it, this part of the doco doesnt seem to be as well researched as the first part and Im still unsure what to make of central banks and the IMF, World Bank and what role they play in the new world order conspiracy. At this stage I too place that 2nd part of the doco in the conspiracy theory basket.

But I have only commented on the first part of this documentary as I feel the evidence is compelling, the second part of the doco not so much.

I have to ask myself the question of wtf is going on here? How can a federal institution such as the IRS when asked to produce the law under which it has the authority to collect income tax never been able to do so and refuses to do so?

I have no doubt that if you asked the same question here in Australia they will throw the legislation at you but why dont they do that in the US? Why have people gotten away with not paying income tax because juries didnt have any federal legislation to go on that enabled them to convict someone of tax avoidance?

I watched this doco cos I was bored not cos i was hunting for a conspiracy to perpetuate but what i was met with was a compelling case of a fraudulant taxion system in the US. If they got nothing to hide then why dont they produce the bill.

The only question i was left with after watching this was how did they go from the supreme court ruling of the 16th amendment bill of the constitution of 1913 which stated there could be no new tax on labour to a system where everyone pays federal income tax. They ruled there could only be taxation on profit from enterprise and not labour. This doco doesnt answer that and herein may lie the answer to what I am trying to undertand. I have only been able to work out that it has been enforced through state laws which generally always point to the federal legislation that the states agreed to the bill (not all mind you) before it was put before the supreme court and then rejected by. The IRS doesnt try poeple on tax avoidance in federal courts, only state courts which is weird considering it is federal legislation that is presumably being enforced.

If there is no federal law and US citizens all of a sudden decided they aren'y going to pay, that would be a disaster of epic proportions, no one wants that. If there isnt a law they bloody well better get one.

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The second part of your post just attacks people and doesnt bring anything to the debate. Just because they are leftist protestors doesnt mean what they are saying is complete bullshit. Being left or right is nothing more than perspective. When you have 2 sides with one saying there is a massive problem and the other side is saying, nope everything is good then usually the truth lies somewhere in between, I go with the notion that there does seem to be an ever widening gap of rich and poor and that maybe as a society we should look in to the pros and cons of what that equates to should it continue to go in that direction. I also question if capitalism can be sustainable if a small minority continue to build large proportions of the worlds wealth.

I dont see myself as left or right but just want to find out what is truth and what is bullshit, it can be very difficult to do but i persist with trying.

So what does this mean to me living in one of the wealthiest countries in the world? Not much. Why do I care? I dont really. Why do I look into it? Because I like to have informed opinions and am always willing to be corrected by fact to the contrary, none of which you seem to have or have every looked into to form your own opinions. You just seem to make judgemental points of view based on the fact your obviously a conservative and anything someone says from the other side of the ledger must be dismissed as BS. Why?? It makes you look bleedingly narrow minded. Tell me why what i said is BS and prove why it is, otherwise piss off. Im looking for people who can correct me on what I have found to be fact so far. You just spew crap.
 
christoh said:
I dont see myself as left or right but just want to find out what is truth and what is bullshit, it can be very difficult to do but i persist with trying.

So what does this mean to me living in one of the wealthiest countries in the world? Not much. Why do I care? I dont really. Why do I look into it? Because I like to have informed opinions and am always willing to be corrected by fact to the contrary, none of which you seem to have or have every looked into to form your own opinions. You just seem to make judgemental points of view based on the fact your obviously a conservative and anything someone says from the other side of the ledger must be dismissed as BS. Why?? It makes you look bleedingly narrow minded. Tell me why what i said is BS and prove why it is, otherwise piss off. Im looking for people who can correct me on what I have found to be fact so far. You just spew crap.
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LOL - a youtube clip.

You leftist nutters are all the same. "Oh looky here - I've seen it on youtube. It must be right."

I specified twice why the Occupy movement is garbage and obviously you skipped over it. Maybe I should have put it on youtube or drawn a picture for you so that you could understand. :rolleyes:

So let me reiterate again.
They provide no feasible alternative solution to the problem that they believe exists.
Without a solution, they are just a bunch of morons making noise.
 
nicky said:
The answer to that is a big fat no. He may have down syndrome, if not a very low IQ atleast, which means he's doing alright but don't expect anything resembling an original thought.
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Apparently he has an IQ north of 100!

Very impressive.

Also, everything on YouTube is leftist crap, apparently. Better tell all the US universities that have started posting lectures to YouTube (Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc).
 
nicky said:
The answer to that is a big fat no. He may have down syndrome, if not a very low IQ atleast, which means he's doing alright but don't expect anything resembling an original thought.
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And here's another one.
If you don't agree with me then you must not be capable of having an original thought.

Here's your big chance then nicky - tell me the proposed solutions that the Occupy movement are bringing to the table.

How does it function, what are the costings etc etc ???

BTW - I'm an adult with a mind that can actually understand the written word. So if you would mind not attaching a youtube clip or a jpeg to explain it all that would be great.

Thanks.
 
Clay Davis said:
Apparently he has an IQ north of 100!

Very impressive.

Also, everything on YouTube is leftist crap, apparently. Better tell all the US universities that have started posting lectures to YouTube (Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc).
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Poor Clay.

Attaching a youtube clip as an answer in a debate does not mean that all youtube clips are leftist crap.

Surely you understand this.
Don't you?

I mean, its not rocket science, is it?:confused:
 
Clay Davis said:
One wonders how you manage to breathe.
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Clay, I realise you are a little slow at times so I will give a leave pass on this.

See the rolled eyes smiley at the end of my statement - that's a sarcasm emoticon.
You understand what sarcasm is, don't you?

To be clear - and its sad I have to explain this as anyone with an year 8 education should be able to understand the point.

The reason I made that statement is that posters who generally have a conspiratorial bent to their thinking are generally anti Jews (cough, I mean Zionist).

The ones who don't are rare.
 
Daytripper said:
Poor Clay.

Attaching a youtube clip as an answer in a debate does not mean that all youtube clips are leftist crap.

Surely you understand this.
Don't you?

I mean, its not rocket science, is it?:confused:
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I've seen you dismiss presentations by experts in their domain before because they were on YouTube, and right out refuse to watch any clip because it was on YouTube. For example:

Daytripper said:
And no, I didn't watch the youtube video. I have an IQ above 100.
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Laugh out loud.
 
Daytripper said:
Clay, I realise you are a little slow at times so I will give a leave pass on this.

See the rolled eyes smiley at the end of my statement - that's a sarcasm emoticon.
You understand what sarcasm is, don't you?

To be clear - and its sad I have to explain this as anyone with an year 8 education should be able to understand the point.

The reason I made that statement is that posters who generally have a conspiratorial bent to their thinking are generally anti Jews (cough, I mean Zionist).

The ones who don't are rare.
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Nice lie you are telling yourself, but the reality is you brought up 'teh j00s' to derail the point made by christoh. It was weak and simple minded. As ever.
 
Clay Davis said:
I've seen you dismiss presentations by experts in their domain before because they were on YouTube, and right out refuse to watch any clip because it was on YouTube. For example:




Laugh out loud.
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Jesus - is it so hard to understand.
Its like explaining something to a 3yo.

For the hundredth time - using a youtube clip in a debate is a bout as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. Its for little kiddies who can't grasp the written word and need a picture to help with an explanation.

This does not mean that all youtube clips are rubbish.
I look at youtube to be entertained for example.

Do you understand this?

Actually maybe I am wasting my time explaining this to you - do you want me to send you a little drawing?
 
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