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Re: Brian Royal to Coach Demons
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It's not Bailey who should be coming under pressure, it's Green, Moloney, Sylvia and co.
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It's not Bailey who should be coming under pressure, it's Green, Moloney, Sylvia and co.
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Mega Thread Official Thread: Melbourne Coach 2012
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Re: Brian Royal to Coach Demons
It is mainly Bailey, its his game plan, his job to mould the team, his training, lack of attention to drills, structure you name it. We not only have a terrible game plan, but when we start to get hammered, it is throw everyone into the defensive half.
The guy obviously cannot get the players respect. What else could it mean.
It is mainly Bailey, its his game plan, his job to mould the team, his training, lack of attention to drills, structure you name it. We not only have a terrible game plan, but when we start to get hammered, it is throw everyone into the defensive half.
The guy obviously cannot get the players respect. What else could it mean.
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Re: Brian Royal to Coach Demons
Who is saying sacking Bailey now would be reactionary?
He's in his fourth year and we have yet to beat a decent team in a match that means anything. Not merely that, but in his 4th year, when we should be better, we are getting carted by those teams. We're losing our matches by an average of 10 goals.
I don't think he will get sacked this week, but I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it if he does. Delaying the inevitable if we leave it IMO.
Who is saying sacking Bailey now would be reactionary?
He's in his fourth year and we have yet to beat a decent team in a match that means anything. Not merely that, but in his 4th year, when we should be better, we are getting carted by those teams. We're losing our matches by an average of 10 goals.
I don't think he will get sacked this week, but I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it if he does. Delaying the inevitable if we leave it IMO.
Re: Brian Royal to Coach Demons
Frustrates me when people use the '4th year' line BC.
I understand your point, but to be fair to Bailey he speant the first 2 (if not 3) years regenerating an entire list. Now he's got a bunch of kids to work with and surely you werent expecting not to have a few bad losses along the way?
(..ok today was extreme, but still)
Frustrates me when people use the '4th year' line BC.
I understand your point, but to be fair to Bailey he speant the first 2 (if not 3) years regenerating an entire list. Now he's got a bunch of kids to work with and surely you werent expecting not to have a few bad losses along the way?
(..ok today was extreme, but still)
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Re: Brian Royal to Coach Demons
The more I watch other teams the play the more I realise that our game plan is garbage of the highest order. Take the Suns for example - they are giving the Saints a run for their money because they have targets to kick to and they generate terrific run off half back. They don't drop players behind the ball or roll their forwards up past the centre line, which IMO is the most infuriating part of our game plan. They are forwards, so bloody keep them there.
Bailey might work well with the kids but the bloke can't coach. We want blood and, as paying members who support the club and keep it going, we deserve it. Bailey's sacking is the least they can do to show they won't stand for it.
The more I watch other teams the play the more I realise that our game plan is garbage of the highest order. Take the Suns for example - they are giving the Saints a run for their money because they have targets to kick to and they generate terrific run off half back. They don't drop players behind the ball or roll their forwards up past the centre line, which IMO is the most infuriating part of our game plan. They are forwards, so bloody keep them there.
Bailey might work well with the kids but the bloke can't coach. We want blood and, as paying members who support the club and keep it going, we deserve it. Bailey's sacking is the least they can do to show they won't stand for it.
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The problem is the fact that it's not a few losses, it's a lot of losses. We have beaten rabble teams this year and been smashed by anyone above us. You would expect us to advance after 4 years but we are going backwards. Hell, we would have been more competitive in 08 and 09 than we were today and that shows you the low point we are at. It's not good enough.
The problem is the fact that it's not a few losses, it's a lot of losses. We have beaten rabble teams this year and been smashed by anyone above us. You would expect us to advance after 4 years but we are going backwards. Hell, we would have been more competitive in 08 and 09 than we were today and that shows you the low point we are at. It's not good enough.
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Yeah cause he's been such a raging success as our backline coach this year. I mean yes we have been belted when we've lost and our match-ups in defence have usually been shocking (Rivers on Trav Cloke?) but at least he's implemented an innovative and fool-proof kick-in strategy after years of just bombing it to Jamar - now we bomb it long to Jamar when he's not even playing.
Yeah cause he's been such a raging success as our backline coach this year. I mean yes we have been belted when we've lost and our match-ups in defence have usually been shocking (Rivers on Trav Cloke?) but at least he's implemented an innovative and fool-proof kick-in strategy after years of just bombing it to Jamar - now we bomb it long to Jamar when he's not even playing.
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So in his 4 years D16, apart from focussing all his attention to rebuilding a list what else has he done?? Still have no game plan, defensive zone, forward press, structures, etc. You could defend him if the players were developing but there is a LARGE gap beween us winning and losing and that has nothing to do with young players.
So in his 4 years D16, apart from focussing all his attention to rebuilding a list what else has he done?? Still have no game plan, defensive zone, forward press, structures, etc. You could defend him if the players were developing but there is a LARGE gap beween us winning and losing and that has nothing to do with young players.
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The question shouldn't be can we afford to, the question should be can we afford not to?
The question shouldn't be can we afford to, the question should be can we afford not to?
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I cannot believe what I am reading.
Brian Royal? Scott West?
Please.
The entire coaching panel needs to go. Insipid performance today and none of them deserve a job. Cull the lot, they dont give a shit, why should we?
Give Viney the nod. At least he actually cares. Throw the cheque book at Roos for next year. We need a coach with SOME BALLS AND A WINNING MENTALITY.
I cannot believe what I am reading.
Brian Royal? Scott West?
Please.
The entire coaching panel needs to go. Insipid performance today and none of them deserve a job. Cull the lot, they dont give a shit, why should we?
Give Viney the nod. At least he actually cares. Throw the cheque book at Roos for next year. We need a coach with SOME BALLS AND A WINNING MENTALITY.
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the club needs a high pressure clean. A performace like that is inexcusable, and there has been many in Bailey's tenure. (many posts have detailed the horrific stats) There is something wrong within, and it needs to change pretty quickly or you'd think attendance and memberships might plummet.
if we keep Green next year also. Does this not go against our "youth policy?"
the club needs a high pressure clean. A performace like that is inexcusable, and there has been many in Bailey's tenure. (many posts have detailed the horrific stats) There is something wrong within, and it needs to change pretty quickly or you'd think attendance and memberships might plummet.
if we keep Green next year also. Does this not go against our "youth policy?"
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Re: Melbourne Coach 2012
I am a putrid judge. I am happy to admit it. I believe you, however, may have some admissions of your own to make. As a special treat, I'll dredge through both our histories to see who is the worse judge.
The first thing I ever posted on bigfooty was an MS Paint comic about how useless Bailey was.
Almost exactly a month ago I said: "I'd still be happier if we had a new coach next season, because I don't think Bailey has the tactical nous to take us forward."
The next week I said DB has shown no discernible tactical or strategic skills and that the club cannot possibly have much confidence left in Bailey.
I suggested that when you can only afford to pay peanuts for coaches, you get a set of monkeys, rather than the best coaches available.
In the last week I've realised there really aren't as many coaching options as we thought there would be. In fact, there's really only one or two, and none that I'd be very enthusiastic about. In this case, with no one else really putting their hands up, it would be acceptable for Bailey to get one more year, and one more year only, to prove he's the best man for the job. I have also said it would NOT be acceptable to change coaches for the sake of changing coaches.
That is the totality of my opinions expressed about Dean Bailey's position as coach of the Melbourne Football Club. I have made other comments in reference to things he's said that have been taken out of context by the media, but that was debating other topics, and nothing to do with his position as coach.
Now let's have a look at your posting history:
Your first post was to say you didn't believe David Hale would offer anything this year.
Your fifth post was to say this about the Scully re-signing saga on the 7th of February: "storm in a teacup, iv been reading this crap on d,land for days,i think alot of people are bagging his integrity,hes a quality young demon, who will be with us for years."
Exactly a week later you said:
You predicted Lynden Dunn would be a "massive part of our side" and would kick 33 goals this year. You also announced you had put $250 on Essendon AND the Brisbane Lions to win the Wooden Spoon.
You crowned Nathan Jones the worst midfielder in the AFL, then announced he will be traded at the end of the year.
In April you suggested that 10.5 wins was a pass mark for Bailey, you don't want him to fail and you do not "dispise" him (less than a month later, however, you announced "im not going to watch them play again until that mother ****ers fired.anyone that defends bailey is a ****ing loser. "). You also said that if we finished the year with 10 wins or more, you would shout him 24 hours at the Daily Plant. You labelled the decision to sub Watts off during the GC game the "worst move that fools done in 4yrs in coaching". He subsequently started a run of 8 odd weeks which showed his class as a number one draft pick.
You had just one word for Austin Wonnaeamirri when he temporarily returned home after his father and mentor died: delist.
You declared the lowest a club could possibly ever go was to have "Fragile" photoshopped onto its jumper in the Herald Sun.
You predicted the football club would be $6 million in debt unless they sacked Dean Bailey.
In one day you stated various members of this board were: a pathetic pretender, gutless and a troll, a toddler, an ignorant moron, a squib and a primary schooler, a moronic dead shit brain fart and a ****ing peabrain. Then, when BigSexc posted possibly the most worthwhile thing I've seen from him in all of my (admittedly short) time here and was then red carded for an unrelated incident, you had the sheer cheek to say this:
You asked us to bookmark the fact that D Thomas is GWS' star midfielder, despite the fact you're certain Scully is going too.
Despite Sam Blease only playing 12 games in the VFL, you said that after seeing him play 20 games thought he was a waste of talent. This is after you declared you thought Blease was a good prospect.
You declared Matthew Richardson a lemon.
After stating on the 10th of June that Scully hadn't signed anything but would at the end of the year, you decided on the 5th of July that he'd signed it after the trip to China in 2010.
You declared that the club would lose 6000 members if Dean Bailey coached next year, despite membership rising 30% since he'd taken over the club. It was subsequently revised upwards to 10,000.
You decried anyone who thought that 10 wins was a pass mark for the year, despite your earlier claims.
You've numerously referred to a song by Hunters and Collectors which does not exist. The title of the song is "When the River Runs Dry" and it's a song about environmental destruction, not people with rational views on football.
Now that our views expressed on these boards have been detailled, I'd like you to think a few things over. Who has been more consistant in the judgements? Who has been more logical? Who has kept their emotions in check?
If you truly believe I contribute less to these boards than you do, I invite you to open up a thread in Hell and put it to the people in a poll.
Good luck to you jtr. May this be the post that improves you posting.
Right *cracks knuckles*
I am a putrid judge. I am happy to admit it. I believe you, however, may have some admissions of your own to make. As a special treat, I'll dredge through both our histories to see who is the worse judge.
The first thing I ever posted on bigfooty was an MS Paint comic about how useless Bailey was.
Almost exactly a month ago I said: "I'd still be happier if we had a new coach next season, because I don't think Bailey has the tactical nous to take us forward."
The next week I said DB has shown no discernible tactical or strategic skills and that the club cannot possibly have much confidence left in Bailey.
I suggested that when you can only afford to pay peanuts for coaches, you get a set of monkeys, rather than the best coaches available.
In the last week I've realised there really aren't as many coaching options as we thought there would be. In fact, there's really only one or two, and none that I'd be very enthusiastic about. In this case, with no one else really putting their hands up, it would be acceptable for Bailey to get one more year, and one more year only, to prove he's the best man for the job. I have also said it would NOT be acceptable to change coaches for the sake of changing coaches.
That is the totality of my opinions expressed about Dean Bailey's position as coach of the Melbourne Football Club. I have made other comments in reference to things he's said that have been taken out of context by the media, but that was debating other topics, and nothing to do with his position as coach.
Now let's have a look at your posting history:
Your first post was to say you didn't believe David Hale would offer anything this year.
Your fifth post was to say this about the Scully re-signing saga on the 7th of February: "storm in a teacup, iv been reading this crap on d,land for days,i think alot of people are bagging his integrity,hes a quality young demon, who will be with us for years."
Exactly a week later you said:
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You predicted Lynden Dunn would be a "massive part of our side" and would kick 33 goals this year. You also announced you had put $250 on Essendon AND the Brisbane Lions to win the Wooden Spoon.
You crowned Nathan Jones the worst midfielder in the AFL, then announced he will be traded at the end of the year.
In April you suggested that 10.5 wins was a pass mark for Bailey, you don't want him to fail and you do not "dispise" him (less than a month later, however, you announced "im not going to watch them play again until that mother ****ers fired.anyone that defends bailey is a ****ing loser. "). You also said that if we finished the year with 10 wins or more, you would shout him 24 hours at the Daily Plant. You labelled the decision to sub Watts off during the GC game the "worst move that fools done in 4yrs in coaching". He subsequently started a run of 8 odd weeks which showed his class as a number one draft pick.
You had just one word for Austin Wonnaeamirri when he temporarily returned home after his father and mentor died: delist.
You declared the lowest a club could possibly ever go was to have "Fragile" photoshopped onto its jumper in the Herald Sun.
You predicted the football club would be $6 million in debt unless they sacked Dean Bailey.
In one day you stated various members of this board were: a pathetic pretender, gutless and a troll, a toddler, an ignorant moron, a squib and a primary schooler, a moronic dead shit brain fart and a ****ing peabrain. Then, when BigSexc posted possibly the most worthwhile thing I've seen from him in all of my (admittedly short) time here and was then red carded for an unrelated incident, you had the sheer cheek to say this:
You asked us to bookmark the fact that D Thomas is GWS' star midfielder, despite the fact you're certain Scully is going too.
Despite Sam Blease only playing 12 games in the VFL, you said that after seeing him play 20 games thought he was a waste of talent. This is after you declared you thought Blease was a good prospect.
You declared Matthew Richardson a lemon.
After stating on the 10th of June that Scully hadn't signed anything but would at the end of the year, you decided on the 5th of July that he'd signed it after the trip to China in 2010.
You declared that the club would lose 6000 members if Dean Bailey coached next year, despite membership rising 30% since he'd taken over the club. It was subsequently revised upwards to 10,000.
You decried anyone who thought that 10 wins was a pass mark for the year, despite your earlier claims.
You've numerously referred to a song by Hunters and Collectors which does not exist. The title of the song is "When the River Runs Dry" and it's a song about environmental destruction, not people with rational views on football.
Now that our views expressed on these boards have been detailled, I'd like you to think a few things over. Who has been more consistant in the judgements? Who has been more logical? Who has kept their emotions in check?
If you truly believe I contribute less to these boards than you do, I invite you to open up a thread in Hell and put it to the people in a poll.
Good luck to you jtr. May this be the post that improves you posting.
Re: Brian Royal to Coach Demons
Is it true that Bailey got the job because of a very good presentation on computer? We have to question the board in giving this guy the job in the first place! I love my football and I had never heard of him before he was a candidate in our coaching job.
I can't see Dean getting past Monday tbh. But i am really nervous that if we can't secure one of these high profile coaches, the board will ultimately employ another dud to coach our club! Yes, I want Bailey gone, but the next step is one of the most crucial in the clubs history! Have we got the right board in place to make the right decisions? As much as I love Jimmy, is he fit enough to be making the right decisions? Is Schwab the right man for the job? Don McLardy? He seems to be the man leading the club behind the scene. Does he know much about football? Geez they have a big job on there hands right now. Really nervous about this board making the right decisions from here on....
Is it true that Bailey got the job because of a very good presentation on computer? We have to question the board in giving this guy the job in the first place! I love my football and I had never heard of him before he was a candidate in our coaching job.
I can't see Dean getting past Monday tbh. But i am really nervous that if we can't secure one of these high profile coaches, the board will ultimately employ another dud to coach our club! Yes, I want Bailey gone, but the next step is one of the most crucial in the clubs history! Have we got the right board in place to make the right decisions? As much as I love Jimmy, is he fit enough to be making the right decisions? Is Schwab the right man for the job? Don McLardy? He seems to be the man leading the club behind the scene. Does he know much about football? Geez they have a big job on there hands right now. Really nervous about this board making the right decisions from here on....
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Re: Melbourne Coach 2012
Let me be the first to say: owned...
You've been a great poster here Logger and jtr used to be great but he has lost his shit of late, just a passionate dude sick of watching his team getting ****ed over, like we all are.
jtr, chill man, stop having massive digs at everyone that disagrees with you.
Let me be the first to say: owned...
You've been a great poster here Logger and jtr used to be great but he has lost his shit of late, just a passionate dude sick of watching his team getting ****ed over, like we all are.
jtr, chill man, stop having massive digs at everyone that disagrees with you.
Re: Brian Royal to Coach Demons
I agree with that in principle, but when you are trying to talk a guy like Malthouse to break an agreement with Eddie, one where he has at least emphasised that he won't be coaching another team in 2012, it would probably take an extraordinary offer to snare him. We could probably afford to pay Mick's fair price, but not his over-price.
I agree with that in principle, but when you are trying to talk a guy like Malthouse to break an agreement with Eddie, one where he has at least emphasised that he won't be coaching another team in 2012, it would probably take an extraordinary offer to snare him. We could probably afford to pay Mick's fair price, but not his over-price.
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they need to make an aggressive play for Roos or Malthouse with offers they can't refuse. **** Scully. The club has handled this situation poorly, should have come out ages ago and said we are not doing any goddam interviews about Scully, stuck firm with the offer and said if you want it take it if not **** off then Schwabb comes out going oh oh we can offer Scully a million if we want. Show some bloody mongrel. Christ i've seen more spine in jellyfish.
they need to make an aggressive play for Roos or Malthouse with offers they can't refuse. **** Scully. The club has handled this situation poorly, should have come out ages ago and said we are not doing any goddam interviews about Scully, stuck firm with the offer and said if you want it take it if not **** off then Schwabb comes out going oh oh we can offer Scully a million if we want. Show some bloody mongrel. Christ i've seen more spine in jellyfish.
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This really is a critical time in the club's history IMO. I'm serious, it's time to re-evaluate. The re-build's favourite cousin.
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Re: Melbourne Coach 2012
I know everyone is upset and angry and why shouldnt they be BUT with what ando said in mind, a knee-jerk reaction is the wost thing as it may be a case of either sticking with baily and having a cleanout of assistance or nother untried coach. Personally I think Sanderson or Neale/Burns from Collingwood would be the better candidates out of the 'untried' - dont forget everyone was an 'untried' coach once. sure you can try and asked them and give them an offer to consider but apart from that, thats all can be done.
I dont like knee-jerk reactions...I loath them so I hope that a decision is made in a day or two and not now when everyone is angry.
I still think you have a tallented group - just need a couple of harder bodies in the mid and a key foward....oh and someone who knows how to coach the best out of them.
Ive been there - and it suxs big time but I honestly think it will come for Melbourne...hang in there guys and gals!
PS HFF....the players and coach need to have a long think about your sig.....
Thats what I wanted to say....I feel so sorry for the demons - its not the club thats a disgrase its the coach and players.
I know everyone is upset and angry and why shouldnt they be BUT with what ando said in mind, a knee-jerk reaction is the wost thing as it may be a case of either sticking with baily and having a cleanout of assistance or nother untried coach. Personally I think Sanderson or Neale/Burns from Collingwood would be the better candidates out of the 'untried' - dont forget everyone was an 'untried' coach once. sure you can try and asked them and give them an offer to consider but apart from that, thats all can be done.
I dont like knee-jerk reactions...I loath them so I hope that a decision is made in a day or two and not now when everyone is angry.
I still think you have a tallented group - just need a couple of harder bodies in the mid and a key foward....oh and someone who knows how to coach the best out of them.
Ive been there - and it suxs big time but I honestly think it will come for Melbourne...hang in there guys and gals!
PS HFF....the players and coach need to have a long think about your sig.....
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Re: Melbourne Coach 2012
That's some impressive research there, if not borderline stalking
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Re: Brian Royal to Coach Demons
It's Viney or AGM. BRING BACK GUTNICK! I love Stynes but he's too nice for this job. We need a head kicker and we need one now. We are an embarrassment to the AFL and we stink of Fremantle, nomads and VFL hacks.
Now who's the fking idiot. Bailey the greatest coaching disaster of all time should be ****ed off imediately. If Royal is our next coach or Bailey keeps his job I want an AGM, I want them all gone.
It's Viney or AGM. BRING BACK GUTNICK! I love Stynes but he's too nice for this job. We need a head kicker and we need one now. We are an embarrassment to the AFL and we stink of Fremantle, nomads and VFL hacks.
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Your taking stupidity to whole new levels. Blame the kids when our experienced players actually put in an effort.
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Re: Melbourne Coach 2012
It's not too hard: you click on his name, find the box that says "jack the ripper has not made any friends yet " go left a bit, find the statistics tab, and then "Find all posts by jack the ripper "That's some impressive research there, if not borderline stalking
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Note to self: Never piss off logger
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