Okay you lot Put up or shut up

[MGREG]

Originally posted by ah_19
The world isnt so simple
my dad grew up in a communist state
it was strict in its laws, but everyone was fed, everyone was safe, everyone was educated, and my dad would still prefer it to any system he has lived under since. What Tito achieved in yogoslavia was perhaps more than any western leader has achieved for their nation. For the longest time in known balkan history there was peace, prosperity and hapiness. Look what happened when "demoracy" took over.....

for the record, i oppose communism, but perhaps you can open your eyes a little

People were fed? Maybe if you were a party member.

Thousands of people starved. Many did. People were killed because they were seen as enemies.

Mu uncle was 15 and he was interned for 25 years and tortured. The reason? A member of his family escaped from Albania.

Ask yourself why anyone wasnt allowed to leave Albania?

Ask yourself why my parents werent able to coomuncate with their relatives, their mothers, their brothers for 50 years?

Ask why my grandmother at the age of 75 was interned in a Labour camp and forced to in the fields for 14 hours a day seven days a week?

People lined up for 3 hours a day to get corn bread which they could hardly eat but did so because it was better than starving.

Dogs were ordered to be killed so they couldnt warn people about spies and informers creeping around their houses.


If this is the communism your Dad liked then one can only wonder why. I suppose there is an obviousd answer. He was privileged under the system.

Open my eyes a little? I would rather close the eyes of all the people who did this to my family and my parents' country.

Anyone who praises communism was either prvivileged and sucking the blood of the workers more than any capatilist, or is mentally unbalanced.

Take your pick.

 

[Lestat]

Originally posted by MGREG
People were fed? Maybe if you were a party member.

Thousands of people starved. Many did. People were killed because they were seen as enemies.

Mu uncle was 15 and he was interned for 25 years and tortured. The reason? A member of his family escaped from Albania.

Ask yourself why anyone wasnt allowed to leave Albania?

Ask yourself why my parents werent able to coomuncate with their relatives, their mothers, their brothers for 50 years?

Ask why my grandmother at the age of 75 was interned in a Labour camp and forced to in the fields for 14 hours a day seven days a week?

People lined up for 3 hours a day to get corn bread which they could hardly eat but did so because it was better than starving.

Dogs were ordered to be killed so they couldnt warn people about spies and informers creeping around their houses.


If this is the communism your Dad liked then one can only wonder why. I suppose there is an obviousd answer. He was privileged under the system.

Open my eyes a little? I would rather close the eyes of all the people who did this to my family and my parents' country.

Anyone who praises communism was either prvivileged and sucking the blood of the workers more than any capatilist, or is mentally unbalanced.

Take your pick.

Awww....

Lets bring out the violins!

 

[MGREG]

Originally posted by Lestat
Awww....

Lets bring out the violins!

What the ones you play for the "Innocent" Arabs? There are some good Israeli violin makers I could put you onto to if you have lost your violins. I am sure they would be happy to supply you if I tell them the reason.

You hypocrite.

Tell it to your imaginary Albanian friend. See what he thinks of having Adolfchickenstat for a friend (Just have an imaginary conversation with him...you know how to do that).

 

[Lestat]

phew...it stinks in here.

Did someone just rip a fart??

 

[MGREG]

Originally posted by Lestat
phew...it stinks in here.

Did someone just rip a fart??

You are all alone there with your imaginary friends.

And you are all pointing your chicken claws at each other.


Is it true that if you were in the war manning a tank, you would ask for 6 reverse gears?

Wouldnt be surprised.

 

[Lestat]

Originally posted by MGREG
You are all alone there with your imaginary friends.

And you are all pointing your chicken claws at each other.


Is it true that if you were in the war manning a tank, you would ask for 6 reverse gears?

Wouldnt be surprised.

wow..thats really funny.



Everyone laugh....lets make MGREG feel all good about himself.

loser!

 

[MGREG]

Originally posted by Lestat
wow..thats really funny.



Everyone laugh....lets make MGREG feel all good about himself.

loser!

Lestat says: " I am not going to respond to you ever again!"


Lestat. Weak willed.


CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK.

 

[Ryan8024]

Originally posted by Lestat
wow..thats really funny.



Everyone laugh....lets make MGREG feel all good about himself.

loser!

That's almost as funny as the post he was responding to

 

[Bombers 2003]

Originally posted by MillerCHF
Actually the reason nobody responds to you Lestat, is because just like Yasser Arafat,

YOU HAVE BECOME IRRELEVANT.

And what about your friends,Shawrong the butcher of Lebanon and Booby the thief of Tel Aviv?.

 

[OldLion]

Originally posted by GuruJane
...A real Leftist sees FASCISM whether of the right (German national socialism) or the Left (Stalinism) or of religion (Islamofascism) as the true enemy that must be confronted at all times.

What is your view then on Zionism ? To my mind, it's a racially based strategy ( understandable at the time ) that has become corrupted in its practice and now used to justify injustice. Building walls, bulldozing homes, racial stereotyping to dehumanise, selective assasination to avoid courts etc all based on the justification of defending the state. Sounds a little like Communism.

Originally posted by GuruJane
A real Leftist is always looking far ahead and accepts Marx's proposition that Capitalism must run its course to the fullest extent before it in turn will be overthrown by workers control.
Real Lefists do not just feel, they also think

Really ? Workers' control sounds pretty corny these days and using words like 'overthrow' suggests storming the barricades .. all very retro. A Marxist view of events is a point of view that can illuminate, but its proscription is naive ( witness WW1 - why did the workers fight each other ? ). The role of government internally is to basically civilise captialism and externally to deal with issues through multilateral actions. For example it's plain that an equitable way forward in the Palestinian issue is critical to the 'war on terrorism' but, at this point in time, it doesn't suit the Powers to do anything ( internal US politics ). A similar situation to Saddam and the Iran War .. and look where that got us. Any argument that uses motherhood statements to justify actions will inevitably become hypocritical. Real life isn't like that.