State One Day Cup 24-25 thread.

[ptrg]

ChatGPT says:
In the Duckworth-Lewis-Stern (DLS) method, Team B's target is almost never set below Team A's score, even in rain-affected matches, because Team B generally benefits from knowing their revised target and adjusting their strategy accordingly.

For the match described (Team A scoring 132 in 23 overs after an interruption), it’s very unlikely Team B would have a target lower than 132.

 

[NYRB]

I don’t agree vics target should have been decreased. DLS revised targets are the guess most of the times.

 

[eth-dog]

Ferg bowling beautifully.

I don’t agree vics target should have been Increased. DLS revised targets are the guess most of the times.

Okay. But it definitely shouldn't have been reduced.

Great nut Ferg

 

[NYRB]

I’ve been following cricket a long time and never have seen a target reduced.

 

[NYRB]

I’m gathering the umps in the middle might not be the experienced going around and maybe made a mistake.

 

[eth-dog]

I’m gathering the umps in the middle might not be the experienced going around and maybe made a mistake.

It's the Match referee that calculates DLS

 

[eth-dog]

Huge wicket. Now we need to get rid of these two quickly

 

[NYRB]

It's the Match referee that calculates DLS

Even the match referee or whoever is in charged. You just don’t know how well equipped they are. Given the comp has no DRS and reviews available , it can’t be treated as seriously.

 

[NYRB]

The minimum WA should be chasing is 133 . WA have all the advantages like most have said batting 2nd. There should been an adjustment of sort to increase that target as lost have said on here.

 

[dumb]

Duckworth Lewis Calculator

The Duckworth Lewis calculator helps you set a fair target for the chasing team in an interrupted game of one-day cricket.

www.omnicalculator.com

average scores plays quite a big part in the results

 

[NYRB]

Duckworth Lewis Calculator

The Duckworth Lewis calculator helps you set a fair target for the chasing team in an interrupted game of one-day cricket.

www.omnicalculator.com

average scores plays quite a big part in the results

What am I punching wrong in the calculator?

 

[eddiesmith]

So Victoria gets screwed yet again by DLS against WA. I do look forward to the explanation post game as to how they came up with that howler…

 

[eth-dog]

Duckworth Lewis Calculator

The Duckworth Lewis calculator helps you set a fair target for the chasing team in an interrupted game of one-day cricket.

www.omnicalculator.com

average scores plays quite a big part in the results

That calculator is terrible

 

[dumb]

What am I punching wrong in the calculator?

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decimal points don't work like they do in cricket. i got 127

23 /245 / 18 / 2 /16 / 23

 

[NYRB]

So Victoria gets screwed yet again by DLS against WA. I do look forward to the explanation post game as to how they came up with that howler…

Im trying to make some sense of it. My maths isn't terrible by any means.

 

[dumb]

anyway,

5. But why should the target score sometimes go down if there is an interruption in the first innings and teams have the same number of overs?

In interruptions to the first innings the D/L method makes appropriate allowance for the comparative resources lost by the stoppage.

Consider the following situation. Suppose Team 1 started well in the style of the renowned Sri Lankan 1996 World Cup winning team but the wheels fell off and they were 150/9 in 30 of the 50 overs. On average Team 1 would be all out shortly, leaving Team 2 to score at the rate of around 3 per over for their full 50 overs. If rain interrupted play at this point and 19 overs were lost per side, then on the resumption Team 1 would have only one over to survive and their run rate would then be close to 5 per over. By all the 'old' methods, for 31 overs also, Team 2 would have to score around 150, around 5 per over, to win - in other words Team 1 would have been greatly advantaged by the rain interruption changing a required scoring rate of 3 per over to 5 per over for Team 2. By the D/L method this advantage to Team 1 would be neutralised so that the target for Team 2 would be well below 150 in this circumstance, and fairly so, which maintains the advantage Team 2 had earned before the stoppage. In other words, and quite logically, Team 2 have to get fewer runs than Team 1 scored to win in the same number of overs.

from https://i.imgci.com/link_to_database/ABOUT_CRICKET/RAIN_RULES/DL_FAQ.html

not that it makes any more sense

 

[eddiesmith]

anyway,

5. But why should the target score sometimes go down if there is an interruption in the first innings and teams have the same number of overs?

In interruptions to the first innings the D/L method makes appropriate allowance for the comparative resources lost by the stoppage.

Consider the following situation. Suppose Team 1 started well in the style of the renowned Sri Lankan 1996 World Cup winning team but the wheels fell off and they were 150/9 in 30 of the 50 overs. On average Team 1 would be all out shortly, leaving Team 2 to score at the rate of around 3 per over for their full 50 overs. If rain interrupted play at this point and 19 overs were lost per side, then on the resumption Team 1 would have only one over to survive and their run rate would then be close to 5 per over. By all the 'old' methods, for 31 overs also, Team 2 would have to score around 150, around 5 per over, to win - in other words Team 1 would have been greatly advantaged by the rain interruption changing a required scoring rate of 3 per over to 5 per over for Team 2. By the D/L method this advantage to Team 1 would be neutralised so that the target for Team 2 would be well below 150 in this circumstance, and fairly so, which maintains the advantage Team 2 had earned before the stoppage. In other words, and quite logically, Team 2 have to get fewer runs than Team 1 scored to win in the same number of overs.

from https://i.imgci.com/link_to_database/ABOUT_CRICKET/RAIN_RULES/DL_FAQ.html

not that it makes any more sense

Definitely not, as Victoria was only 2 down at the first break and not in dire straits, plus the whole assumption in recent updates was that Team 2 have a far better chance of scoring a smaller total in less overs with all wickets in hand.

It makes zero sense in this scenario for WA to be chasing less than Victoria made from the same number of overs.

 

[NYRB]

decimal points don't work like they do in cricket. i got 127

23 /245 / 18 / 2 /16 / 23

As much as I appreciate your work, I still dont get why its not 123. This game is going to literally come down to those runs deducted.

 

[Cleavy]

So Victoria gets screwed yet again by DLS against WA. I do look forward to the explanation post game as to how they came up with that howler…

as if we're going to get an explanation...

 

[ioppolo]

Idiotic stuff from Turner. Absolutely unnecessary

 

[eth-dog]

Yes Murph! Pressure on now.

 

[dumb]

Definitely not, as Victoria was only 2 down at the first break and not in dire straits, plus the whole assumption in recent updates was that Team 2 have a far better chance of scoring a smaller total in less overs with all wickets in hand.

It makes zero sense in this scenario for WA to be chasing less than Victoria made from the same number of overs.

yeah, i understand the explanation to be WA did well in a 50 over setting by getting two wickets so early. therefore, they get handed an advantage in a shortened 23 over setting. i don't see why they need to be handed an advantage at all. their two wickets is the advantage.

 

[NYRB]

Im trying to calculate it manually.

This is the information I know:

 

[CakeEater]

Wa will lose this.

2 inexpierenced blokes vs Test players

 

[Torz]

We’ve cooked this by not attacking early and now ending up with two inexperienced players in at once.