One day team in tri-series???

[aussierulesrules]

If he bowls as well as he did in the T20's in December (or the tests) he ought to go really well, especially with them using two new balls in every match.

 

[Belnakor]

the two new balls will definately help Hilfy, thats a good point.

Still, puzzling decision, must be a "last role of the dice" for his ODI career.

Still can't work out how a guy who bowls so tight in tests goes for runs in ODIs

 

[Kyptastic]

Playing ODI's never hurt any of the great bowlers of the past few decades Test Bowling, I don't see why it's such a big deal nowadays. If he's fit enough, let him have a crack.

 

[Cousin Jed]

According to the CA twitter account, next 2 games squad:

Clarke (c) Ponting (c for Friday) Warner (vc) Christian XD Forrest Hilf DHuss MHuss Lee M Marsh McKay Starc Wade

Harris rested, but unless Shane Lee has made a comeback or Brett was on the end of a miracle not sure what he is doing in there

 

[Chris25]

Apparently, Lee's toe is still fractured but he is just playing through it anyway. I don't really see the point in playing him or Hilfenhaus, given we could be looking at some younger bowlers like McDermott, Coulter-Nile or Faulkner.

 

[eddiesmith]

Didnt realise Brett Lee was worthy of being picked when injured. Atleast Duss might get a few more overs now

 

[Doodlesweaver]

According to the CA twitter account, next 2 games squad:

Clarke (c) Ponting (c for Friday) Warner (vc) Christian XD Forrest Hilf DHuss MHuss Lee M Marsh McKay Starc Wade

Harris rested, but unless Shane Lee has made a comeback or Brett was on the end of a miracle not sure what he is doing in there

That can't be right, didn't Lee break something?

 

[Chris25]

The NSP has refreshed the squad with the inclusion of Brett Lee and Ben Hilfenhaus.

Nothing like the same old same old to refresh a squad.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Apparently, Lee's toe is still fractured but he is just playing through it anyway. I don't really see the point in playing him or Hilfenhaus, given we could be looking at some younger bowlers like McDermott, Coulter-Nile or Faulkner.

I guess they are desperate for a death bowler, just can't see the point in playing someone who is carrying an injury. Someone else will have to learn to do it at some point.

 

[Cousin Jed]

Brett Lee will be 38 at the next WC. And is injured.

I'd rather risk losing playing someone new.

 

[Gak Attack]

Apparently, Lee's toe is still fractured but he is just playing through it anyway. I don't really see the point in playing him or Hilfenhaus, given we could be looking at some younger bowlers like McDermott, Coulter-Nile or Faulkner.

Hilfenhaus is 28 and will still be around come next world cup so I don't know why age keeps being used. He has good ODD form this year and has the Indians number so no problem with that pick. The Lee one is worrying if true as I wouldn't have him in the best team if fit. The players you mentioned will get a chance soon and we still have a bunch of young guys getting games.

 

[aussie1st]

Don't see why we are risking Lee for, if hes in pain then he shouldn't be playing.

 

[Underdog]

So this is the squad...

Michael Clarke (Captain)
Ricky Ponting (Captain for Friday’s ODI vs Sri Lanka)
David Warner (vc)
Dan Christian
Peter Forrest
Ben Hilfenhaus
David Hussey
Michael Hussey
Brett Lee
Mitchell Marsh
Clint McKay
Mitchell Starc
Matthew Wade

So you'd expect the side to be named as...

David Warner (vc)
Matthew Wade
Ricky Ponting
Peter Forrest
Michael Hussey
David Hussey
Dan Christian/Mitchell Marsh
Brett Lee
Mitchell Starc
Clint McKay
Ben Hilfenhaus

With both Christian and Marsh getting a gig if Lee doesn't get up.

Quite a weird team. No Doherty and potentially just 3 full time bowlers...

 

[Chris25]

Doherty is still in the squad.

 

[The Passenger]

was gonna say can't imagine doherty would get dropped. he's esaily been our best one day bowler, though i'm suprised they haven't given lyon a shot.

i assume underdog was reading the squad that cuz jed wrote out - was easy enough to miss "XD" in there.

 

[Underdog]

Doherty is still in the squad.

You are right, the dumbarses at the CA website missed him.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news-list/2012/2/14/odi-squad

 

[JUBJUB]

Atleast Duss might get a few more overs now

Has Duss done something to piss Clarke off ?
He bowls well for the Vics in one dayers and for Aus in T20 yet captain prettyboy totally ignores him in ODI's.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Last year Duss got something like 11 wickets from the 12 ODI innings he bowled in, at an average of 21, with what I imagine would have been a perfectly good economy rate, yet he is still being underbowled.
What pisses me off the most is when he's bowling perfectly well and economically and getting through his overs quickly, as he does and then he gets whipped out of the attack (not to return).
The last game was a perfect example. India had been scoring pretty freely and getting 5 or 6 runs an over with ease, when they brought Duss on and he then tightened things up, by going for only 13 off his 3 overs. Doherty was on at the other end and had also helped tighten things up and also had 3 overs up by that stage and had gone for 14. So what happens? Duss gets taken out of the attack and they bring Starc back on, who had gone for around 6 an over in his earlier spells and he then gets hit for a six and goes for more runs than Duss was going for.
This sort of thing happens on a regular basis with Duss now.
Another example was the first T20 game against India, a couple of weeks ago. Duss comes on and gets 2 for 4 off two overs, then gets taken out of the attack, again, not to return. Who gets taken out of the attack in a T20 when they have 2 for 4 off 2 overs and then doesn't get brought back on?
12 months or so ago you could understand it, as bowling seemed a bit of an afterthought for him, but he now bowls in just about every game he plays in, so I think he's a lot safer than he used to be and isn't someone we need to whip out of the attack after just 2, 3, or 4 overs, because we're scared he's suddenly going to lose it and get hit for 20 in an over.
There will of course be times when it's not appropriate to bowl him, but there are also plenty of times where we could really benefit from him bowling and/or bowling more overs.

 

[Cousin Jed]

They were looking for wickets

 

[aussierulesrules]

That's true, but you can also get wickets by putting the screws on a team and slowing them right down (especially when they're chasing and the required run rate starts to rise), which can cause them to start taking some risks that they don't want to take, which can bring false shots and a wicket or two.

Very few teams seem to get Duss away and it seems most times anyone does try to go after him he manages to outsmart them and get them out. This may be why a lot of teams play him pretty cautiously now. We can take advantage of that more.

 

[Underdog]

The last game was a perfect example. India had been scoring pretty freely and getting 5 or 6 runs an over with ease, when they brought Duss on and he then tightened things up, by going for only 13 off his 3 overs. Doherty was on at the other end and had also helped tighten things up and also had 3 overs up by that stage and had gone for 14. So what happens? Duss gets taken out of the attack and they bring Starc back on, who had gone for around 6 an over in his earlier spells and he then gets hit for a six and goes for more runs than Duss was going for.

That's not terribly fair.

Over 20 Hussey - 4 runs
Over 21 Doherty - 8 runs
Over 22 Hussey - 5 runs
Over 23 Doherty - 5 runs
Over 24 Hussey - 4 runs
Over 25 Doherty - 5 runs
Over 26 Starc - 4 runs
Over 27 Doherty - 4 runs
Over 28 Starc - 10 runs (1 six)

Starc had an economical over followed by one ruined by a six then he was out of the attack.

Then followed...

29 Christian - 7 runs
30 Harris - 6 runs
31 Christian - 4 runs
32 Harris - 8 runs
33 Christian - 5 runs
34 McKay - 1 runs
35 Christian - 2 runs
36 McKay - 1 runs
37 Christian - 5 runs
38 McKay - 7 runs
39 Christian - 3 runs

 

[Underdog]

That's true, but you can also get wickets by putting the screws on a team and slowing them right down (especially when they're chasing and the required run rate starts to rise), which can cause them to start taking some risks that they don't want to take, which can bring false shots and a wicket or two.

During those 6 overs, Huss and Doherty were going at 5.16 runs per over. The innings required rate was 5.38. I dare say that the Indians would have been quite content continuing at that rate at that stage of the match.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Sorry, I was pretty sure I read on the screen at the time that Duss had bowled 3 overs for 13 and I thought Doherty had bowled 3 for 14, but it looks like it was only two, for 13, for X, if your figures are correct.
If they are correct, that proves my point even more. Duss was the more economical out of he and Doherty (at the time Starc came on), with only 13 off his 3 overs, compared to 18 off Doherty's 3, yet it was Duss that was taken off.
This is the sort of thing that happens quite a lot with him and I find perplexing.

 

[Kyptastic]

Ed Cowan making a run for the team right now - good figures for the year and tearing apart a decent Queensland attack. Would probably have to take Warner's spot though and it looks like he'll be given an extended run to find his feet in One Day cricket, so he may be out of luck.

 

[Selective Retention]

Two years ago he wasn't getting a game for Tassie in the one dayers.

Since then only Brad Hodge has scored more one day domestic runs than him.

I doubt he would even enter a conversation for selection however.

The way it currently seems to work it will do his chances of staying on in the test team no harm.