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O'Niell: Move over AFL and NRL - What about a sensible approach?
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Soccer by a long way.
By participation numbers, soccer wouldn't be far behind Aussie Rules down here.
Union's a fair bit smaller, then league's smaller again. There are also about half a dozen each gaelic and gridiron clubs down here.
By participation numbers, soccer wouldn't be far behind Aussie Rules down here.
Union's a fair bit smaller, then league's smaller again. There are also about half a dozen each gaelic and gridiron clubs down here.
But how can it rate well when Channel 7 refuse to show it/are not allowed to show it at a decent hour?
Can somebody explain as to whether this is just Foxtel being greedy and wanting the rugger live so as to get more subscribers. My Mum subscribes pretty much to get more rugger on the box.
Once again, the problems of giving anything to Murdoch.
JF
Its because no one watches it!
hmmm, but when channel 9 refuses to show league live it's a conspiracy coz everybody wants to watch it.
Originally posted by nicko18
hmmm, but when channel 9 refuses to show league live it's a conspiracy coz everybody wants to watch it.
Funny that, isn't it Nicko
No, no conspiracy at all... As much as i would love League too be live in Melbourne, Adleaide and Perth (Well the SOO and GF etc)... I know it wont happen except maybe in Melbourne ( For the GF)...
Hey Look at it anyway you want but the NRL GF in Melbourne did outrate the AFL GF In Sydney... Hey everyone knows (That wants to know atleast) that the AFL GF is on a saturday arvo so thats no excuse... If they wanted to watch it they would of.
Super 12 dont rate... Ch 7 can continue too show it and loss that timeslot easily or show something else and make it a competition for the timeslot...
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No one truely knows if super 12 rates or not because it hasn't ever been shown at a decent time on free to air tv.
I'm sure a Waratahs v Brumbies match or a Waratahs v Reds match shown live would rate quite well in Sydney.
Fox has the live rights again next year, 7 can't show anything until 90 minutes after full time. In 2005 however, that can change.
I'm sure a Waratahs v Brumbies match or a Waratahs v Reds match shown live would rate quite well in Sydney.
Fox has the live rights again next year, 7 can't show anything until 90 minutes after full time. In 2005 however, that can change.
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Originally posted by LebaneseForces
No, no conspiracy at all... As much as i would love League too be live in Melbourne, Adleaide and Perth (Well the SOO and GF etc)... I know it wont happen except maybe in Melbourne ( For the GF)...
Hey Look at it anyway you want but the NRL GF in Melbourne did outrate the AFL GF In Sydney... Hey everyone knows (That wants to know atleast) that the AFL GF is on a saturday arvo so thats no excuse... If they wanted to watch it they would of.
Super 12 dont rate... Ch 7 can continue too show it and loss that timeslot easily or show something else and make it a competition for the timeslot...
If sat arvos are not aproblen then why dont all the TV channels put their best programs on at that time ? Because people dont watch at that time TOOL!They are out doing many other things that they cant do at night.
Ever seen whats on most Sat arvos?
You've missed the point.
On a Saturday afternoon in Sydney, maybe 50% of the people actually watching the TV were watching the AFL grand final.
On a Sunday night in Melbourne, maybe only 30% were watching the NRL granny, but due to the sheer volume of people channel surfing on a Sunday night, the total watchers becomes higher.
The difference isn't so much what's on on Sturday arvo vs Sunday night - rather which slot was the higher population of channel surfers.
And if you ask an advertising company they'll tell you there are at least twice the people actually watching TV on a Sunday than on Saturday night.
So basically - the NRL granny won on numbers, the AFL won on percentage of audience.
Happy?
The only way you'll ever get a meaningful comparison is if the two grannys went head to head, same time slot, same day. Which won't happen as the NRL moved their granny specifically to avoid this..........
To back that up, the AFL Grand Final in Sydney won its timeslot by some margin, while the NRL Grand Final in Melbourne, only come 2nd beaten by Australian Idol and moreover, that night CH 9 average rating for a Sunday Night was down by around 15%. So that means Ch9 by showing the NRL Grand Final live into Melbourne lost viewers on what they normally get for that timeslot each week. Now LF ask the TV networks which was the better result and you'll hear them say "the AFL Grand Final, because it won its timeslot and delivered an increase on the timeslots normally average rating"
No.
Yes. It's 'you're', by the way.
Yes, but the NRL grand final was originally on Sunday afternoon - which is a ****-poor ratings dump. Hence the move to prime time for some numbers bragging rights.
Nice to see you haven't changed since you were on therugbyforums.
why be a smartass?
anyway, you said
"The only way you'll ever get a meaningful comparison is if the two grannys went head to head, same time slot, same day. Which won't happen as the NRL moved their granny specifically to avoid this.......... "
did i read that correctly... you said the NRL moved the GF specifically to avoid going head to head with the AFL GF? forgive me for thinking you don't know what you're talking about.
but you're right, if the GFs did go head to head, say day same time, then the results would speak for themselves - but it would still depend on which 2 teams were competing wouldnt it?
eg. swans v lions would be AFLs highest ratings GF would it not?
and the NRLs highest ratings GF would be melbourne v brisbane perhaps?
anyway, you said
"The only way you'll ever get a meaningful comparison is if the two grannys went head to head, same time slot, same day. Which won't happen as the NRL moved their granny specifically to avoid this.......... "
did i read that correctly... you said the NRL moved the GF specifically to avoid going head to head with the AFL GF? forgive me for thinking you don't know what you're talking about.
but you're right, if the GFs did go head to head, say day same time, then the results would speak for themselves - but it would still depend on which 2 teams were competing wouldnt it?
eg. swans v lions would be AFLs highest ratings GF would it not?
and the NRLs highest ratings GF would be melbourne v brisbane perhaps?
AFL's highest possible GF ratings would be Sydney vs Collingwood, rather than Sydney vs Brisbane.
AFL GF Sydney vs North Melbourne got a massive audience, sixth highest rating program in Australian TV history and apparently (at that time) the highest football ratings for anything in Australia ever.
If the Swans are there for a final the ratings add on stacks.
AFL GF Sydney vs North Melbourne got a massive audience, sixth highest rating program in Australian TV history and apparently (at that time) the highest football ratings for anything in Australia ever.
If the Swans are there for a final the ratings add on stacks.
is a brisbane lions v sydney swans AFLs dream GF?
(even tho it would be a victorians worst nightmare)
AFLs nightmare GF would be st kilda v western bulldogs perhaps?
or western eagles v fremantle dockers?
a dream NRL GF would be south sydney v brisbane perhaps
NRLs nightmare would be wests tigers v nth qld cowboys arguably.
all this leads me to think neither the NRL GF or AFL GF will dominate the other for any length of time because it depends on the teams who make it - so it can only really be compared on a year by year basis.
altho we can safely say the AFL GF will dominate the 5 capitcal city audience - and the NRL GF will dominiate the non-capital city audience - we just need to add them up on a year by year basis to determine the higher rating grand final.
however if we include the NRL GF ratings from NZ, then we can safely say the NRL GF will dominate AFL in this region.
in the end, imagine if there was only 1 major football code in this region (Oz and NZ) - how big the crowds, tv ratings, salary cap would be..
(even tho it would be a victorians worst nightmare)
AFLs nightmare GF would be st kilda v western bulldogs perhaps?
or western eagles v fremantle dockers?
a dream NRL GF would be south sydney v brisbane perhaps
NRLs nightmare would be wests tigers v nth qld cowboys arguably.
all this leads me to think neither the NRL GF or AFL GF will dominate the other for any length of time because it depends on the teams who make it - so it can only really be compared on a year by year basis.
altho we can safely say the AFL GF will dominate the 5 capitcal city audience - and the NRL GF will dominiate the non-capital city audience - we just need to add them up on a year by year basis to determine the higher rating grand final.
however if we include the NRL GF ratings from NZ, then we can safely say the NRL GF will dominate AFL in this region.
in the end, imagine if there was only 1 major football code in this region (Oz and NZ) - how big the crowds, tv ratings, salary cap would be..
Hey, look at North America or Europe.
There you've well and truly got one football code streets ahead of the rest, and a lot more people than the 23-24 million Australia and NZ can muster.
yeah, australia is the most competitive country in the world for the major football codes - each code dominates in isolated pockets.
RU in NZ
RL in NSW/QLD/ACT
AR in VIC/SA/WA/TAS/NT
Soccer: everywhere at the grassroots/nowhere at the elite level.
at least in america NFL dominates everywhere, with the rest fighting for 2nd best - and soccer dominates europe, with the rest fightnig for 2nd best, including rugby union.
in australia, nothing dominates.
The popularity of soccer in Australia should be seen in a different context to the other codes, because we generally don't follow the domestic comps in the same way we follow the European ones. But then again, it's because the European soccer leagues are seen as the pinnacle of that sport in the same way the NRL and AFL are the pinnacle of their respective codes.
Ever seen the shows up against the AFL GF on a Sat arvo compared to the Sunday night line-up against the league G.F? More people may be watching on a Sunday night, but the competition is much hotter.
I think it all evens out.
Rugby league Grand Finals used to be played on a Sat arvo in the 60's to early 80's I think.
you talking about sydney rugby league?
i doubt whether the brisbane rugby league ever played grand finals on saturday.
even if your right, in all practical sense it was never competing with the VFL GF even it was played the same day/time - NSW followed league, VIC followed rules - there was hardly any mix of fans that transcends borders like there is today.
Talking about Sydney rugby league.
BRL was on sundays.
