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We’ve seen some Cripps 2024 v Dusty 2017… it made me wonder about Martin’s finals exploits in our flag years and how they compare with Cripp’s 45-vote Brownlow season. I’ve also added Martin’s 2017 season:

Here it is .. Cripps 2024 v Dusty (10 x finals 2017/19/20).. I’ve added 20% for shortened 2020 games v Dusty 2017 season:

Disposals: 28.8 v 24.13 v 29.76

CP: 15.67 v 13.75 v 14.52

CP%: 54.4% v 57.0% v 48.8%

Clearances: 8.0 v 4.53 v 6.40

I50’s: 4.8 v 5.78 v 6.0

Goals: 0.7 v 2.58 v 1.48

GA: 0.5 v 1.6 v 1.16

G + GA: 1.2 v 4.18 v 2.64

SI: 7.0 v 9.6 v 9.0

SC: 110.5 v 123.8 v 124

Player Rating: 18.32 v 23.54 v 20.86

CV avg: 4.71 v 7.20 v 5.88


So just think about that … Martin against almost exclusively top-4 teams, in finals, as the #1 player the opposition is trying to stop.

And his 10 x finals absolutely obliterated Cripps 2024 season which netted 45-votes.

And in 2017 Martin got MORE of the ball than Cripps AND more than doubled his direct goals and goal assists. He also capped 2017 with the Ayres medal, Norm Smith and a flag, whilst Cripps led his team to a 60-0 EF embarrassment.

Cripps had an excellent 2024, but it’s not even close to Martin’s 2017 and not even close to what Martin produced in 10 x finals across 2017/19/20, which shows the ridiculous level Martin played at when the game was at its hottest and the stakes were the biggest.

Martin’s best when it mattered most is better than anyone has produced at any level ever by miles.


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Noidnadroj said:
We’ve seen some Cripps 2024 v Dusty 2017… it made me wonder about Martin’s finals exploits in our flag years and how they compare with Cripp’s 45-vote Brownlow season. I’ve also added Martin’s 2017 season:

Here it is .. Cripps 2024 v Dusty (10 x finals 2017/19/20).. I’ve added 20% for shortened 2020 games v Dusty 2017 season:

Disposals: 28.8 v 24.13 v 29.76

CP: 15.67 v 13.75 v 14.52

CP%: 54.4% v 57.0% v 48.8%

Clearances: 8.0 v 4.53 v 6.40

I50’s: 4.8 v 5.78 v 6.0

Goals: 0.7 v 2.58 v 1.48

GA: 0.5 v 1.6 v 1.16

G + GA: 1.2 v 4.18 v 2.64

SI: 7.0 v 9.6 v 9.0

SC: 110.5 v 123.8 v 124

Player Rating: 18.32 v 23.54 v 20.86

CV avg: 4.71 v 7.20 v 5.88


So just think about that … Martin against almost exclusively top-4 teams, in finals, as the #1 player the opposition is trying to stop.

And his 10 x finals absolutely obliterated Cripps 2024 season which netted 45-votes.

And in 2017 Martin got MORE of the ball than Cripps AND more than doubled his direct goals and goal assists. He also capped 2017 with the Ayres medal, Norm Smith and a flag, whilst Cripps led his team to a 60-0 EF embarrassment.

Cripps had an excellent 2024, but it’s not even close to Martin’s 2017 and not even close to what Martin produced in 10 x finals across 2017/19/20, which shows the ridiculous level Martin played at when the game was at its hottest and the stakes were the biggest.

Martin’s best when it mattered most is better than anyone has produced at any level ever by miles.


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Martin's average player rating in that run of 10 finals in the seasons where all the flags were won & he won all his Smith & Ayres Medals is utterly ridiculous it is that high. It is comfortably higher than the highest season average a player has ever recorded. I am pretty sure in most finals there is not a single player on the ground above 23.54(only 4 players got above that in 9 finals 2024. 3 from 9 finals in 2023 for eg.)

And that was the average of what Dusty produced across 10 finals during our flag years. So his average player rating across that sample of 10 finals is above what any player achieves in most finals. The coaches vote situation is similarly astonishing.

If we are around to see anybody match that we will be watching an incredible player.

Another way of looking at it....Patrick Dangerfield would perhaps be seen as having the strongest overall career of all current AFL players. Dangerfield has 3 individual finals out of 28 finals above Dusty's 10 final AVERAGE during our flag years.

I mean in relation to Dusty's 10 flag year finals, there is good, then there is great, then there is impossibly great. That is what Dusty's finals series in 2017-19-20 were, impossibly great. No wonder 93000 people rolled up to a random winter game between 2 teams in the bottom half of the ladder to witness his 300th game.
 
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Meteoric Rise said:
Martin's average player rating in that run of 10 finals in the seasons where all the flags were won & he won all his Smith & Ayres Medals is utterly ridiculous it is that high. It is comfortably higher than the highest season average a player has ever recorded. I am pretty sure in most finals there is not a single player on the ground above 23.54(only 4 players got above that in 9 finals 2024. 3 from 9 finals in 2023 for eg.)

And that was the average of what Dusty produced across 10 finals during our flag years. So his average player rating across that sample of 10 finals is above what any player achieves in most finals. The coaches vote situation is similarly astonishing.

If we are around to see anybody match that we will be watching an incredible player.

Another way of looking at it....Patrick Dangerfield would perhaps be seen as having the strongest overall career of all current AFL players. Dangerfield has 3 individual finals out of 28 finals above Dusty's 10 final AVERAGE during our flag years.

I mean in relation to Dusty's 10 flag year finals, there is good, then there is great, then there is impossibly great. That is what Dusty's finals series in 2017-19-20 were, impossibly great. No wonder 93000 people rolled up to a random winter game between 2 teams in the bottom half of the ladder to witness his 300th game.
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And across the back to back flags of 2019/20
he kicked 19.2.

6.0 / 2.2 / 4.0 / 0.0 / 1.0 / 2.0 / 4.0.

It’s absurd, it really is.


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Do the Dew said:
He'll get a statue at the G, but I'm hoping it's more a 100m tall Colossus of Rhodes type deal.
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The other funny thing is the narrative of ‘he only had a few great years’ …. 2016 he finished third in the coaches award and got 25 Brownlow votes, made AA and won the B&F. So 2016-2020 was 5-years unsurpassed.

2010 was his debut season where he was brilliant for a first year player.

Then the 5-years from 2011-2015, he averaged 24 disposals and 1.18 goals per game…. that’s across 110 x games.

Let me put that into perspective… players each year to average 24+ and 1.15+:

2024: Bont and Heeney
2023: nobody
2022: nobody
2021: Bont and Petracca
2020: Martin (20 and 1 due to shortened games)
2019: Martin
2018: Martin & Bont

So in the 2011-2015 period when Martin was ‘not anything special’, he averaged over a 5-year period what only three other players have been able to do in the last 7-years - in a SINGLE season.

There’s also a heap of Brownlow votes, B&F podium finishes, coaches votes and AA squad selections (anyone else he’s in the team).

Even in his 2023 year Martin averaged 23.2 and 1.3. You know how many players averaged 23+ and 1.3+ in 2023? Just one… Martin (not good enough for AA selection of course).

So there’s his freakish 2016-2020. His excellent 2023 season. His great debut year of 2010. And his 5-years from 2011-2015 averaging 24+ and 1.15+.

Last time I checked that’s 11 x beyond elite seasons…. Not bad for a guy with just a ‘few great years’.



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Noidnadroj said:
And across the back to back flags of 2019/20
he kicked 19.2.

6.0 / 2.2 / 4.0 / 0.0 / 1.0 / 2.0 / 4.0.

It’s absurd, it really is.


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