Restricted Free Agent Oscar Allen

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Dom sheed pocket said:
Agree that would be a bad outcome, but we’d still have Hewett, Ginbey, Allan, whoever we draft in 2025 (since we won’t use picks on Warner as he’s going to Freo).

There is no scenario where our midfield in 2027 is led by Kelly, Baker and Graham.
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On the other side of the coin, signing Harley long term, flipping Oscar for a pick to get Fred in this years draft, and using your other firsts this year for the Warners would be a massive win.

It means a midfield of Warner, Reid and Kelly with support from Graham and Baker and gives time for Fred and Hewitt to develop. And also means that Ginbey and BAllan can play in their best positions off half back and not be forced into the middle thru necessity.

Jagga or Draper would have been great in the this midfield group as well but they made their call there.

A big couple of years for the Eagles list management team before Tassie comes in.

I really hope for their sake they don’t try to contend too early by topping up and retaining older talent that could give them solid collateral for a proper tilt in the future.
 
Rich01 said:
Who are the guns that are going to be the ones that have west coast contending in 5 years?
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Who are the guns at the Tigers who will make them better than the Eagles with Allen at FF aged 31 in 5 years?

You cant say. Thats the truth of it. And the point.

Its a wishful thought based on ifs and buts with the main assumprion being Richmond just draft and rebuild better and faster and dont makes many mistakes.
 
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Obeanie1 said:
Who are the guns at the Tigers who will make them better than the Eagles with Allen at FF aged 31 in 5 years?.
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That’s a good question. But not really suited for the Oscar Allan thread. What’s relevant are discussions on whether it would be advantageous to the Eagles if he stayed or whether he goes and they get compo for him to help them reload.

AFAIK he’s not interested in goi g to Richmond and I wouldn’t want him as I don’t think he will be a key element the next time we contend. Much like if he stays at the eagles in my view.
 

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Rich01 said:
On the other side of the coin, signing Harley long term, flipping Oscar for a pick to get Fred in this years draft, and using your other firsts this year for the Warners would be a massive win.

It means a midfield of Warner, Reid and Kelly with support from Graham and Baker and gives time for Fred and Hewitt to develop. And also means that Ginbey and BAllan can play in their best positions off half back and not be forced into the middle thru necessity.

Jagga or Draper would have been great in the this midfield group as well but they made their call there.

A big couple of years for the Eagles list management team before Tassie comes in.

I really hope for their sake they don’t try to contend too early by topping up and retaining older talent that could give them solid collateral for a proper tilt in the future.
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I’d honestly be open to letting Oscar go for a top 5 draft pick, given I think he’s over rated by both eagles fans and the comp more broadly. Especially as we have Archer Reid and now Shanahan.

But…. I reckon we did the deal with the devil (aka Carlton) last year to get Baker because we believe we have a very good shot of getting Warner at the end of next year, hence why we were happy to give up on drafting Draper (who I loved, and who we were linked to if we kept pick 3.

In that scenario it makes little sense to let Oscar go.

Best case scenario is we have a decent year, sign Oscar, trade for Warner, see good improvement and Harley signs an extension and we go in to 2026 with a view to make finals.
 
Rich01 said:
For a team that started their rebuild two years before us there’s pretty much just Harley to speak of. Not really much to brag about. Especially if he leaves.

Both clubs pretty much on par for a long time before contending. West Coast fans who think it will be within 5 years I believe are delusional

But perhaps they decide to not bottom out and keep playing their fading stars til they can give no more. The north strategy from the mid 2010s. Not sure that will lead to ultimate success. But it means that you can keep Allan as he will be key to getting the required 10-12 wins each year to middle out.
They will have to trade ultra aggressively to the detriment of draft picks. Perhaps this is Clarkes vision after all. Recruiting role players like Owies, Baker and Graham do help support this theory.
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Your obviously trolling now.

See ya.

And enjoy the next couple of seasons.
 
Taylor said:
AFL Media is catching up.

Quite a few managers sending story content to AFL staff writers to pressure their teams to cough up more cash.
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Well, he's only been offered 3 years, reportedly.

No doubt he'll get bigger offers from other clubs but he's struggled to stay on the park these past few years.

In the past, WCE would've just given him whatever he wanted, so I presume Matt Clarke will be a bit more ruthless, especially considering the looming shadow of Chad Warner, need to rejuvenate via the draft, as well as having a plethora of talks that can play his position.

I daresay if Waterman didn't come on the way he did last year, it'd be a different discussion, however illness aside, Waterman's been very durable his entire career, something Oz hasn't.
 
bzparkes said:
Well, he's only been offered 3 years, reportedly.

No doubt he'll get bigger offers from other clubs but he's struggled to stay on the park these past few years.

In the past, WCE would've just given him whatever he wanted, so I presume Matt Clarke will be a bit more ruthless, especially considering the looming shadow of Chad Warner, need to rejuvenate via the draft, as well as having a plethora of talks that can play his position.

I daresay if Waterman didn't come on the way he did last year, it'd be a different discussion, however illness aside, Waterman's been very durable his entire career, something Oz hasn't.
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How is Oscar physically this pre-season?
 
bzparkes said:
No issues as far as I'm aware.
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bzparkes said:
Hmm, don't count your chickens just yet.

He did nearly the entire preseason last year also, before he had bone bruising in his knee a couple of weeks before the start of the season and was out until after the bye.
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I said... He's back...
 

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bzparkes said:
Well, he's only been offered 3 years, reportedly.

No doubt he'll get bigger offers from other clubs but he's struggled to stay on the park these past few years.

In the past, WCE would've just given him whatever he wanted, so I presume Matt Clarke will be a bit more ruthless, especially considering the looming shadow of Chad Warner, need to rejuvenate via the draft, as well as having a plethora of talks that can play his position.

I daresay if Waterman didn't come on the way he did last year, it'd be a different discussion, however illness aside, Waterman's been very durable his entire career, something Oz hasn't.
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The below article mentions a 6 year offer on the table.

It has been updated since it was first published yesterday.

7news.com.au

Another club joins race to sign gun West Coast forward

The race for the 25-year-old’s signature suddenly got hotter.
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Will be very interesting if the Eagles and Lions work up a win win deal here involving Starchevich who is also a restricted free agent.

Lions take Allen as a FA Eagles get band 1 top 5 pick.

Starchevich gets traded for a F2nd.

Don't see how the Lions can trade for Allen with picks that would satisfy the Eagles.
 
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Obeanie1 said:
Will be very interesting if the Eagles and Lions work up a win win deal here involving Starchevich who is also a restricted free agent.

Lions take Allan as a FA Eagles get band 1 top 5 pick.

Starchevich gets traded for a F2nd.

Don't see how the Lions can trade for Allan with picks that would satisfy the Eagles.
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I know him being out of contract hurts us but a f2 even if it's 20 or so feels so much unders for one of the best medium stoppers in the game.
 
Miluxx said:
I know him being out of contract hurts us but a f2 even if it's 20 or so feels so much unders for one of the best medium stoppers in the game.
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It is unders. Medium stoppers are fairly easy to draft and trade for though. They arent kp players or dangerous forwards. Unless you are an elite attacking / balanced medium defender clubs dont trade top picks to land them.

If the Lions want to land Allen, a top line KP forward at 25 as a free agent costing no draft capital then something needs to done to balance that out.

And I am aware the AFL doesnt like that and it is against the rules but it happens.
 
Obeanie1 said:
It is unders. Medium stoppers are fairly easy to draft and trade for though. They arent kp players or dangerous forwards. Unless you are an elite attacking / balanced medium defender clubs dont trade top picks to land them.
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That being said there's not a lot of elite small/medium lockdown defenders though. Not sure we have a ready made replacement either, and defending small forwards can be a weakness of our defence.

Given the choice I'd probably rather keep Starcevich over an injury prone Allen, but it'll be somewhat dependent on how our forward line goes this year without a dominant KPF.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Will be very interesting if the Eagles and Lions work up a win win deal here involving Starchevich who is also a restricted free agent.

Lions take Allen as a FA Eagles get band 1 top 5 pick.

Starchevich gets traded for a F2nd.

Don't see how the Lions can trade for Allen with picks that would satisfy the Eagles.
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Dont forget that bringing in an FA will also impact the compensation you get for losing an FA.

In this instance, going with your band 1 return for OA, bringing Starchevich in as an FA would change the compo down to an end of round selection!
 
Obeanie1 said:
It is unders. Medium stoppers are fairly easy to draft and trade for though. They arent kp players or dangerous forwards. Unless you are an elite attacking / balanced medium defender clubs dont trade top picks to land them.

If the Lions want to land Allen, a top line KP forward at 25 as a free agent costing no draft capital then something needs to done to balance that out.

And I am aware the AFL doesnt like that and it is against the rules but it happens.
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Almost nothing is done when this happens. Lynch, Daniher the obvious examples. GWS matched the Jeremy Cameron offer but that’s because Geelong had extra picks that year.

If you convince starce to leave then of course that creates scope for a deal. Obviously from our perspective we want to have our cake and eat it too 🤷
 

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