Our next Keeper/s

[shuveradda]

as it is apparent that adam gilchrist is going to retire sooner or later i have lately been thinking about his replacement.

Is brad haddin in line for that 3-4 year duty for australia while another keeper is being developed. Have always been a fan of his and his power hitting.

Also after haddin, Who is the next one being groomed as the next australian keeper? is it Tim Paine ( i'am quite a fan of him), Luke ronchi(only ever seen him have one big score) or crhis hartley( i don't know much about him)

 

[Bombers_Forever]

Hartley is technically the best keper in Australian domestic cricket. He gets a good score with the bat but he is not a slogger like the others. If they pick on wicketkeeping only, Hartley is it but if they want the next Gilly, Haddin gets it.

 

[shuveradda]

i was hoping we could choose a keeper with technichally correct battign who is a good batter but also is reliable with the gloves.

Does tim Paine fit the bill?

 

[m.diddy]

Of course it wont be crosthwaite as he's victorian.

 

[hong_kong_bond]

Of course it wont be crosthwaite as he's victorian.

i reckon that the WC will definitely be gilly's last ODI tournament - wouldn't be surprised if he retired from all cricket afterwards, particularly if we win...

Haddin is definitely next in line for both ODIs and Tests - which should be the solution for the next 5 years or so...After that it could be anyone...

 

[likka]

Replacing big shoes so probably should got to someone with the experience of Haddin.

Be very daunting to blood a relative youngster (ie Paine), comparisons will be made putting them under more pressure.

Same principle should be applied when replacing Warne (ie MacGill).

Wouldn't surprise me to see Gilly retire after the WC.

 

[kane249]

Of course it wont be crosthwaite as he's victorian.

The fact he isn't as strong as other keepers with Bat or gloves of course has nothing to do witht he fact he won't get picked, it all comes down to the fact he's Victorian he doesn't get picked

 

[RooBuoy]

The fact he isn't as strong as other keepers with Bat or gloves of course has nothing to do witht he fact he won't get picked, it all comes down to the fact he's Victorian he doesn't get picked

Crosthwaite's glovework is so far ahead of Ronchi's it's not funny.

 

[kane249]

Crosthwaite's glovework is so far ahead of Ronchi's it's not funny.

Happen to catch the 20/20 final and in particular Crossthwaite's glovework?

2 missed stumpings, byes conceeded and fumbling the ball off the spin of Brad Hodge of all people

Not exactly what your would call polished keeping

Besides i will freely admit Ronchi's glovework isn't the best in the country either, Hartley has that covered hands down.

All im saying is with either Bat or with glovework, Crossthwaite isn't the best and subsequently his chances on getting picked as either aren't that great

 

[bus24]

Glovework won't get you in the international side alone.

Much rather competent glovework and good batting rather than brilliant keeping and inept batting.

 

[kane249]

Batting Averages

Haddin
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 ct st
First-class 82 138 16 4933 154 40.43 7 30 229 21
List A 109 104 8 3025 133 31.51 3249 93.10 5 16 155 39

Paine
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
First-class 10 17 0 497 215 29.23 1090 45.59 1 2 16 0
List A 16 16 0 588 111 36.75 931 63.15 1 3 12 1

Ronchi
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 ct st
First-class 16 26 4 884 100 40.18 1048 84.35 1 5 54 6
List A 29 28 1 656 105 24.29 617 106.32 1 5 43 5

Hartley
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 ct st
First-class 26 40 5 971 103 27.74 2233 43.48 1 6 123 4
List A 28 23 6 330 40 19.41 497 66.39 0 0 27 6

Crossthwaite
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 ct st
First-class 19 27 4 573 72* 24.91 1279 44.80 0 1 63 8
List A 31 19 4 272 54* 18.13 338 80.47 0 2 36 5

 

[m.diddy]

Batting Averages

Haddin
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 ct st
First-class 82 138 16 4933 154 40.43 7 30 229 21
List A 109 104 8 3025 133 31.51 3249 93.10 5 16 155 39

Paine
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
First-class 10 17 0 497 215 29.23 1090 45.59 1 2 16 0
List A 16 16 0 588 111 36.75 931 63.15 1 3 12 1

Ronchi
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 ct st
First-class 16 26 4 884 100 40.18 1048 84.35 1 5 54 6
List A 29 28 1 656 105 24.29 617 106.32 1 5 43 5

Hartley
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 ct st
First-class 26 40 5 971 103 27.74 2233 43.48 1 6 123 4
List A 28 23 6 330 40 19.41 497 66.39 0 0 27 6

Crossthwaite
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 ct st
First-class 19 27 4 573 72* 24.91 1279 44.80 0 1 63 8
List A 31 19 4 272 54* 18.13 338 80.47 0 2 36 5

So, they are pretty even at the start of their careers and who knows how they'll be placed in 3-4 years after haddin retires.

 

[kane249]

Ranked on First Class Batting Averages
Haddin 40.43
Ronchi 40.18
Paine 29.23
Hartley 27.74
Crossthwaite 24.91

Ranked on one day batting Averages (with Strike Rate)
Paine 36.75 (63.15)
Haddin 31.51 (93.10)
Ronchi 24.29 (106.32)
Hartley 19.41 (66.39)
Crossthwaite 18.13 (80.47)

It's fair to say based on this:
- Haddin is hands down the next keeper after Gilly in both form of the game
-Paine/Hartley given there superior glovework would be next in line for the longer for of the game after Haddin, despite Ronchi's better average. If Ronchi could improve his glove work that could change but at this stage Hartley/Paine is the logical choice
-Paine has a good average for one day cricket but not a great strike rate, if he can improve this he could well takeover the gloves in one day cricket as well after Haddin
-Ronchi seems the best choice in terms of explosive batting after Haddin's gone
- Crossthwaite ranked last in terms of batting in both forms and isn't the best glovemen either, nuff said

 

[PHX]

^^^^^^^
Not to mention Haddins form this season as well!

Haddin and then Paine.

 

[metallicamatty]

Ronchi could get into the Aussie team for his batting alone, infact, he should of gone to the world cup as a batter, and not keeper.

I would have Haddin and Ronchi in the same team. Ronchi batting wise reminds me alot of Gilchrist, very explosive.

 

[Coin_Toss]

Haddin is a ready-made replacement and he's good enough to play a few more years of competitive cricket for Australia and New South Wales. I would be stunned if they gave it to anyone else because the selectors like to give opportunities to experienced first-class cricketers who have done their time.

Other than him, Ronchi and Paine are the only two keepers that spring to mind.

 

[Im The Gun]

Of course it wont be crosthwaite as he's victorian.

it could be if unlike most victorians he keeps his mouth shut!

 

[TorresIsGod]

Timothy Paine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Should Be Over In Nz Keeping For The ODI Side And Opening The Batting With Hayden!!!!

 

[rooboy_88]

Paine has show he can be explosive when opening the bat compared to his usual spot.

 

[bushranger]

crossy is better then his stats suggest

 

[DynamoUltra]

******** Haddin off. He's as useless as chocolate teapot.

 

[bus24]

******** Haddin off. He's as useless as chocolate teapot.

Averages nearly 40 at FC level. He's a certainty to do it until the next batch are ready.

Ronchi won't make it at this stage

Paine - huge talent, my pick for the next long term option, but too raw atm, a long way off.

Hartley - No matter how good he is with the gloves, he won't get a game until his batting improves to an acceptable level. Thats some way off.

Crossy - See Hartley

 

[metallicamatty]

RONCHI!

He should be opening the batting with Haydos, he is in form, and a blistering player!

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

Paine only makes runs when he's not keeping, anyone else notice that?

 

[scottywiper]

RONCHI!

He should be opening the batting with Haydos, he is in form, and a blistering player!

His keeping is very ordinary. No way known is he ready to play at the top level.
There is a young teenage bloke called Wade (I think) in Tassie, who is tipped to be snapped up by another state, with massive wraps on him.