Toast Our undermanned defence

[longtimecat]

I reckon Harry comes in and plays the third tall defender as he reads the play so well.

 

[Ricketz]

I cringe when people use basic stats as a measure of performance. I've watched enough of Tuohy to know that under pressure he can be a liability. A few Cartlon supporting mates warned me about it too.

Ignorance is assuming it's false based purely on disposal numbers. Tuohy plays well when linking up and using his foot skills to his advantage (even then he can be hit and miss at times) and relies on the midfield getting back in numbers to chop him out. he's not good one on one and he certainly isn't a defender in the true sense.

He does. It's not a fallacy.


That sends the wrong message imo. You can't drop players in form. Some lose confidence entirely if sent back to VFL level after a good performance. He's improving each week and feeling comfortable at this level ... he needs to be retained to keep building on it. The only way you can drop him now is If he has a poor game or two.

I said Taylor can't come back through the VFL but that's probably the only option given how our defense has performed. Unless they want to use him up forward given Menzel is sore and the likely suspension of Hawkins for scratching the polish off an umpires nail.

You are kidding yourself on a number of fronts here. Your suggestion that Tuohy has been anything other than excellent is ridiculous. He has had one bad game where he was tagged out as a flanker. Longmire obviously thinks the opposite to you, but what would he know, right?

And you are kidding yourself if you think Taylor is not a better player than Henry. It doesn't matter how good Henry has been, as a KPF, he is not a better option than either Taylor or Blicavs.

And regarding sending the wrong message, I think the club would have communicated with him what will happen on Taylor's return well before this week - there will be no surprises.

 

[Pack Specialist]

Taylor will not make our backline worse.

I didn't say he would.

 

[Landgraft]

I've heard Taylor doesn't agree with your assessment, he thinks the match simulation practice in training has been enough for him to come straight back into the AFL side.

And? You don't know that it isn't enough.

He'd almost certainly be playing on better opponents in our match simulation than when up against some of the teenage key forwards AFL clubs have developing in their VFL teams, or when faced with the inexorable might of Frankston.

 

[Ricketz]

I didn't say he would.

Just saying that they won't fit the team around him. He will walk into the side and make it better. Someone in that back six who is unlucky will miss out. We won't be playing Taylor out of position.

 

[Pack Specialist]

Just saying that they won't fit the team around him. He will walk into the side and make it better. Someone in that back six who is unlucky will miss out. We won't be playing Taylor out of position.

We've been playing Taylor at both ends over the past several years.

No matter how good you are, no one has the right to just walk back in IMO.

Maybe after missing a week or so but not over a month.

 

[Ricketz]

We've been playing Taylor at both ends over the past several years.

No matter how good you are, no one has the right to just walk back in IMO.

Maybe after missing a week or so but not over a month.

I'm not suggesting that. I was responding to your comment that they won't upset the back six when he is ready. They will, and it will be one of the KPFs who go, otherwise we will be too tall. No way Taylor plays forward.

 

[Pack Specialist]

I'm not suggesting that. I was responding to your comment that they won't upset the back six when he is ready. They will, and it will be one of the KPFs who go, otherwise we will be too tall. No way Taylor plays forward.

You think they'll drop Sav or Hawkins for Taylor?

 

[Lana]

When Taylor is right to go

Blicavs takes the #1 key forward
Taylor takes the #2 key forward
Stewart is the plus 1
Kolodjashnij takes a mid sized forward
Everyone else moves down a spot.
Z.Guthrie goes out.

When Henderson is back he becomes the plus one, everyone else moves down a spot,
Injury or form will decide who goes out.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

You are kidding yourself on a number of fronts here. Your suggestion that Tuohy has been anything other than excellent is ridiculous. He has had one bad game where he was tagged out as a flanker. Longmire obviously thinks the opposite to you, but what would he know, right?

And you are kidding yourself if you think Taylor is not a better player than Henry. It doesn't matter how good Henry has been, as a KPF, he is not a better option than either Taylor or Blicavs.

And regarding sending the wrong message, I think the club would have communicated with him what will happen on Taylor's return well before this week - there will be no surprises.

Might want to read the post again champ before drinking the cool aid.

 

[Ricketz]

You think they'll drop Sav or Hawkins for Taylor?

No way no how. Henry for mine. Rotate him with Stewart and Kolo to give them a breather and keep him in touch if we get more injuries.

 

[Ricketz]

Might want to read the post again champ before drinking the cool aid.

Mmmhmmm, yep Tuohy is still an excellent hbf and Henry isn't gonna get a gig over Taylor, no matter how is form has been.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Mmmhmmm, yep Tuohy is still an excellent hbf and Henry isn't gonna get a gig over Taylor, no matter how is form has been.

I never said he wasn't. I said he can be a liability under pressure. It's not just me that shares this viewpoint either.

And regarding Henry, I never said that either. I said Henry won't get dropped and nor should he.

 

[MacStradbroke]

We've been playing Taylor at both ends over the past several years.

No matter how good you are, no one has the right to just walk back in IMO.

Maybe after missing a week or so but not over a month.

Come on, if they ever play Selwood, Danger or Gaz in the twos after a lay off I ain't watching anymore. I don't have to worry though, some players are simply not meant to be in the twos.

 

[Tommy the Cat]

Did Henry play as a KPP in the lower grades ?

 

[Down at K Park]

Did Henry play as a KPP in the lower grades ?

Winger from memory.

 

[Landgraft]

Did Henry play as a KPP in the lower grades ?

He was playing as a forward for a while. Actually played in the JLT game vs Hawthorn last year as a forward and kicked a goal, though was otherwise basically unsighted.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Did Henry play as a KPP in the lower grades ?

A variety of positions. High half forward/wing mainly.

 

[Pack Specialist]

No way no how. Henry for mine. Rotate him with Stewart and Kolo to give them a breather and keep him in touch if we get more injuries.

It's a fair call but I personally hope Henry stays in.

 

[Generalissimo]

Henry is going to get "managed" in the near future, like Fog this week.

 

[DanA]

Watching Harry at the game.....I don't think he's gonna last long before he needs to take another break due to the plantar

 

[Art Vandelay_]

What a difference a month makes.

A month ago we were dead last for clearances and mid rung for contested possessions.
Conceding over 100 points a game.
Conceding the most inside 50s.



- Stiffest defence judged on goals measured against I50s conceded.
- Least goals conceded.
- Oppo. Worst scoring accuracy is against us.
- Improved to 6th Contested Possessions.
- Improved from 18th to 11th in Clearances.
- Improved from 18th to 10th for Inside 50s conceded.

Games played:
8: Tuohy (153), Bews (58), Kolodjashnij (55), Stewart (29)
7: Henry (7)
6: Z.Guthrie (15)
5: Blicavs [as defender](118).
4: Thurlow (43)
3: C.Guthrie (131)
2: Taylor (231)

 

[hamG]

Can we give Scarlett a 5 year extension?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Still the stiffest back 6. Wonder how much we can become more expansive to aid scoring and not lose this defensive solidity??

 

[Landgraft]

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Still the stiffest back 6. Wonder how much we can become more expansive to aid scoring and not lose this defensive solidity??

Carltons second quarter when they got 17 i50 and didn't score a single goal... very well defended.

And maybe a bit lucky. But definitely well defended.