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Doubt Ceglar will repeat the career big Len had but I wouldnt write off a debut just yet. But if Dawes comes back next week and stinks it up, and/or if Paine stinks it up, it would not shock me. Jolly cannot ruck all day without assistance.
Doubt Ceglar will repeat the career big Len had but I wouldnt write off a debut just yet. But if Dawes comes back next week and stinks it up, and/or if Paine stinks it up, it would not shock me. Jolly cannot ruck all day without assistance.
Keefe is the only obvious candidate and of course hes missing. Ceglar and Witts should at least have been given a handful of games this year. The other choice is Wood and while hes not as bad as everybody makes him out to be, you cant play him and Jolly together without seriously undermining the rotations.
It has to be Dawes.
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How many of you that are criticizingDawes and constantly talking up Paine were at this game, or many others this season?????
Seriously, I think Paine will be an awesome player, BUT:
1. He can not run out a game.
2. He can not play on the big stage (yet).
3. Dawes has been shit this year in many ways, but, he knows how to put everything into it.
We have no chance of beating Hawthorn next week with Paine instead of Dawes. Especially with Maxy as our second ruck
Paine did not get in Cloke's way once unlike Dawes.
That was the single most important thing that helped Trav out last night, Paine was very very smart as to where to lead to and even not leading when Travis did, he played a very very selfless game and i reckon it was by design.
I would keep Paine in the side for this alone and should we get 10 to 15 possesions and 1 to 2 goals taking a decent defender then he has done his job.
Great post and your point was as clear as day during the game... And the benefits were visible for our forward line. If te score line was 20.14 which is completely realistic, we would be even more encourage by the team changes.
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Saturday night was end to end football, there was space for Cloke because we actually moved the ball quickly and could get him one on one. Paine was smart but he was only a small reason for the space being there, our ball movement being the main one.
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Not sure if you are totally correct mate. I just watched the replay and the impression I got from Paine was that he just went missing in the second half. Maybe that was his role to play the decoy, I dn't know. Historically Dawes and Cloke have played well together and have not got in each others way. I think we have to take the gamble with "trampoline chest" Dawes if we are to have any chance.
I'm with Taz in thinking that Bucks won't bring Dawes back now unless injury forces his hand. Sadly for Dawes it looks like the season may be over. I wasn't a huge fan of Paine's game but I do think it made a difference to how Clokey played and Bucks may well believe that it's worth another shot for the simple reason that Paine can only improve with a bit of confidence that he'd have got on Saturday. The structure will also be foreign to Hawthorn (as will half the Collingwood side be TBH) and frankly we are going to need to bring something more if we're to be any chance at all. I also believe that Dids must start on the ground because although people seem to believe that his defensive skils are lacking, what he brings at the other end is extremely important. Let's face it, it's not at the defensive end that we've really had problems this year. With Johnno and Dids back in the side we very definitely have the opportunity for much better quality ball being fed inside 50 and when you add Krak to the mix under Clokey's feet the structure starts to look a whole lot better. The only ingredient missing IMO is confidence and that's pretty much in the lap of the gods.
Nah pretty sure i am right, Dawes and Cloke stay way way too close together in the 50, it is obvious from watching all the games this year, it allows 3rd man up and no space because packs draw players where as spacing players creates a better chance for a guy like Cloke as well as creating holes for overlapping runners.
Paine may have been quieter in the 2nd half but he was not walking around, he was still working hard and i think he realised he was the second banana behind Cloke.
I do not think Dawes gets this or the club for that matter, If Dawes and Cloke are to work together then they must respect each others space and have a better understanding or else i would rather have Paine there getting Dawes stats or better.
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Fair enough. It will certainly be an interesting selection on Thursday night.
I'd agree with taz, Dawes hasn't done anything in the ruck this year. But he hasn't been destroyed like Maxy was in the last quarter by Hille. Particularly dangerous in our backline, can't give the hawks easy goals. Sure the only reason you'd bring dawes in is for his ruck work. Paine stays in if goldsack is injured.
I'd like to see dawes forget about being dawes the forward and play decoy. long leads to the wings all night. dummy leads to create space i50 or provides blocks for travis. maybe even more boundary ruck work so he can give jolly a better chop out.
Yep correct. It was as if Paine was thinking "ok ill let Cloke do his thing, he is número uno and just try get myself in the right spots where Cloke isn't" and sure enough he was able to clunk one 10 m out one on one and get a few other marks and opportunities, but not at the expense of Cloke! Was good to see.
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Then play Dawes but only as the sub if and only if Paine "blows up"
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Exactly. I can't believe how many times Dawes and Trav go for the same mark bring 2 or 3 backmen to easily spoil the contest. Paine is a very smart footballer, smarter than Dawes is.
I get the feeling that Chris has been given a week off to refresh, Paine in the forward line and Maxy in the ruck - even with Penders to give him a chop out third man up is NOT a viable option for the finals.
A fresh Chris - hopefully instructed to keep clear of Travis is a far better option ruckwise so its roll the dice time at this stage and go with what we know can work against the better sides rather than trial a non-ruckman or essentially run Jols into the ground in the first final.
A fresh Chris - hopefully instructed to keep clear of Travis is a far better option ruckwise so its roll the dice time at this stage and go with what we know can work against the better sides rather than trial a non-ruckman or essentially run Jols into the ground in the first final.
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I'm leaning towardsbringing Dawes back in at the expense of Paine.
I have very little doubt that Paine is the better player of the two and will be a very good forward for us in the coming years but his tank is just not up to it at the moment. He was absolutely spent later in the second half last week. I really admired how he kept pushing himself but he was dead on his feet.
Like Jonbe54 said, let's hope the rest freshened Dawes up a bit mentally.
I have very little doubt that Paine is the better player of the two and will be a very good forward for us in the coming years but his tank is just not up to it at the moment. He was absolutely spent later in the second half last week. I really admired how he kept pushing himself but he was dead on his feet.
Like Jonbe54 said, let's hope the rest freshened Dawes up a bit mentally.
Agreed..
Ran out of patient with Dawes. Not even Shakin Stevens would give him the Green Door to play again.
He needs to be more aggresive on the ball and even the opp players.
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Paine just not fit enough to run out a taxing final, can't get around that. Can only carry him as a sub-off option.
As i said in the other thread....our best result is that Dawes has been freshened up and will come in full of steam and hit the packs hard. If that is the case, then that would be our best structure.
However, if the coaching panel has lost faith in Dawes and are not going to pick him...then the only option that I see is to bring in Wood to play number 1 ruck...and use Jolly as the forward/ruckmen.
At least we have 2 genuine rucks against 2 guys that historically have not been ruckmen. What was a weakness becomes our strength.
THen Jolly sits in the goal-square where the Hawks will be forced to play a defender on him who will be at least 6cm shorter and much skinnier. Jolly is a good contested mark, and even Wood can pull the odd one down.
Then pray for no injuires and sub Wood at 3 qtr time to bring in speed...and let a fresh Jolly go nuts in the last qtr against a tiring Hale.
The option of Maxwell in the ruck is simply not an option. It's either we bring in a proper ruckmen and give Jolly more forward time....or we take one last punt with Dawes. It is that simple.
However, if the coaching panel has lost faith in Dawes and are not going to pick him...then the only option that I see is to bring in Wood to play number 1 ruck...and use Jolly as the forward/ruckmen.
At least we have 2 genuine rucks against 2 guys that historically have not been ruckmen. What was a weakness becomes our strength.
THen Jolly sits in the goal-square where the Hawks will be forced to play a defender on him who will be at least 6cm shorter and much skinnier. Jolly is a good contested mark, and even Wood can pull the odd one down.
Then pray for no injuires and sub Wood at 3 qtr time to bring in speed...and let a fresh Jolly go nuts in the last qtr against a tiring Hale.
The option of Maxwell in the ruck is simply not an option. It's either we bring in a proper ruckmen and give Jolly more forward time....or we take one last punt with Dawes. It is that simple.
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Don't mind that Dave, interesting. Wood was sub par last time, but he was against two quality ruck options. He can surely at least nullify.
That said, you're suggestion requires us to bring in Dawes, Wood and presumably Blair. The outs would be Elliot, Paine and ?. I want Goldsack in unless he is injured. The man gives us not only versatility, but he really attacks defensively. Goldnuts down back I think could be great to help run down your Birchalls or Sucklings.
That said, you're suggestion requires us to bring in Dawes, Wood and presumably Blair. The outs would be Elliot, Paine and ?. I want Goldsack in unless he is injured. The man gives us not only versatility, but he really attacks defensively. Goldnuts down back I think could be great to help run down your Birchalls or Sucklings.
Old Spice...I am saying bring in either Wood or Dawes....not both. It's one or the other.
Either we back in Dawes to have an impact...or we give up on him and bring in a genuine ruckman and push Jolly forward for 60%. Wood is probably also a better contested mark than Dawes.
Wood got smashed last time...but it was his first game in a long time against the 2 best rucks in the comp. And Dawes was no assistance at all. He basically got tagged team by guys who have smashed even the best opponents.
Wood will at least break even against Hale and I'd ensure Jolly rucked against the bigger bodied Roughead.
They are the 2 alternatives for me. Either play the 2 rucks and rotate them as forwards...or put all our faith in Dawes and go back to our Plan A structure.
Maxwell in the ruck is not an option. Paine holds his spot only if Goldsack does not pull up.
Either we back in Dawes to have an impact...or we give up on him and bring in a genuine ruckman and push Jolly forward for 60%. Wood is probably also a better contested mark than Dawes.
Wood got smashed last time...but it was his first game in a long time against the 2 best rucks in the comp. And Dawes was no assistance at all. He basically got tagged team by guys who have smashed even the best opponents.
Wood will at least break even against Hale and I'd ensure Jolly rucked against the bigger bodied Roughead.
They are the 2 alternatives for me. Either play the 2 rucks and rotate them as forwards...or put all our faith in Dawes and go back to our Plan A structure.
Maxwell in the ruck is not an option. Paine holds his spot only if Goldsack does not pull up.
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