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Grasshopper17 said:
He's underwhelming more often than not. I don't really focus on individuals when I go to games but he seems to have very little impact on games far more often than others. He's hard to tackle and I wonder if we should do more to leverage that. Our 3rd best clearance player on Sunday night but only 2 centre bounces. On a night where I'm sure our midfielders were screaming out for a spell. Odd.

Great opportunity for him coming up for the next few months with our injury toll.

What do you think?
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I think he only goes for broke when he seems to feel like it . He's a tank that should be very difficult to stop once he gets hold of it but his finishing can be sloppy and he struggles to pick it up /with the bounce of the ball etc which means at his age it's a skill deficit that he may never get any better at. He also drops a lot of marks which falls in to the same category of skill issue.

The reason I ask was that it was inconceivable that we didn't throw him into the M/F on Sunday when guys like Clug and Neale were just about out on their feet and he was as fresh as a daisy. Which makes me think the coaches don't really trust him in that role despite tearing it up against Melbourne for a quarter.

I don't know what the key to him is but he just seems like a wasted talent propped in the forward pocket generally doing not a lot when we've seen he does have the capacity to barge out of stoppages etc. I reckon the time's come to throw him in there and tell him to throw his weight around. We've treated him with kid gloves ever since he arrived. Maybe it's a fitness issue as well.
 
Mr Ripper said:
I thought Cam really struggled with ground balls the other night to the point that I was speculating whether he had some sort of back issue.
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He always has had trouble with ground balls imo.
Sometimes I think he attacks the ball too hard and thinking of what he is going to do with it before he has got it.
And then leaves it behind.
It is something he has always struggles with.
 

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Dalions said:
He always has had trouble with ground balls imo.
Sometimes I think he attacks the ball too hard and thinking of what he is going to do with it before he has got it.
And then leaves it behind.
It is something he has always struggles with.
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I've been thinking for 5 years once he gets the hang of it and concentrates harder on just getting hold of it, with his strength he could potentially tear up games.

But he hasn't gotten any better overall. He certainly looks fitter to my eye than he ever has and managed to dominate a quarter against good opposition and it's frustrating to see him revert to what he's mostly been in most of the games.
 
Dalions said:
He always has had trouble with ground balls imo.
Sometimes I think he attacks the ball too hard and thinking of what he is going to do with it before he has got it.
And then leaves it behind.
It is something he has always struggles with.
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I was talking difficulty bending over more so than picking up the agate.
 
martinson said:
I've been thinking for 5 years once he gets the hang of it and concentrates harder on just getting hold of it, with his strength he could potentially tear up games.

But he hasn't gotten any better overall. He certainly looks fitter to my eye than he ever has and managed to dominate a quarter against good opposition and it's frustrating to see him revert to what he's mostly been in most of the games.
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I agree. Tell Rayner. he is playing in the midfield and if he isn’t successful there, he will be dropped. Simple. He was really ordinary against Gold Coast.
 
martinson said:
I've been thinking for 5 years once he gets the hang of it and concentrates harder on just getting hold of it, with his strength he could potentially tear up games.

But he hasn't gotten any better overall. He certainly looks fitter to my eye than he ever has and managed to dominate a quarter against good opposition and it's frustrating to see him revert to what he's mostly been in most of the games.
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He's not a midfielder and he will never be a midfielder we need a coach that can think outside the box to unlock his potential what we're doing with him and hipwood are not working. I've got ideas for Rayner but they are way too radical.
 

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McIvor said:
I wouldn’t be against trading him; I’d actually expect him to flourish more so than he’s ever done here but it’s just not working. IDK if that’s because how owe use him, our coaches haven’t unlocked that something or whether a change in environment and him having to start from scratch and earn respect will spark him into being a better footballer but I feel the only way it turns around for him at Brisbane is with a new coach.
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I'm really open to trading him whilst he has good value.

We won't do it but considering his age , what we get out of him and what we could potentially get in return I'd definitely be doing it.

He just doesn't put in imo. For whatever reason. People might think that's harsh but if you watch him closely he doesn't go hard a lot of the time. He's had more than enough chances. Let's us down time and again with simple skill errors and then doesn't follow up on the mistake.
 
Rayner is the absolute ’poster boy’ for Fagan’s ridiculous belief that some players should be allowed to play themselves into form in the seniors, irrespective of how badly they are performing. He had been a walk up start his entire career and he has developed into a sloppy and lazy player. Never mind ‘second efforts’ sometimes there is no ‘first effort’ yet he will be selected in the senior side time and again, while the Lions publicity department throws up puff pieces about ‘Pumba’ and how wonderful and dynamic he is, poised to break games open. He really is AFL Football’s version of Anna Kournikova - super hyped, never won a tournament.
 
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I see Cam Rayner was selected for the Richmond game, which raises an interesting question. How badly would he have to play and for how long would he have to go missing for Cam Rayner be dropped under Fagan?
 
3KZ is Football said:
Late Update

I see Cam Rayner was selected for the Richmond game, which raises an interesting question. How badly would he have to play and for how long would he have to go missing for Cam Rayner be dropped under Fagan?
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Are you familiar with the planck number? Ten to the minus thirty four something which is the chance of Rayner getting dropped.
 
Watched the Geelong Gold Coast and two things that the Over 50's Clique and possibly only the Over 50's Clique, will appreciate, sprang to my mind.

The first was the large number of dropped high marks that slipped between the hands of players who were attempting to mark with their palms facing each other. This works well in dry conditions but I was always taught, when playing in greasy conditions, to have palms facing the ball so it could not slip through my hands. I lost count of the number of marks that would have been taken if the Over 50's Clique were wet weather consultants for both sides.

The other point was no long sleeves, a simply astounding error. Well it astonished me. I assume they would not put oil on the hands and arms to make them more slippery so why they didn't wear a legal jumper that would aid ball handling shows a paucity of initiative thinking.
 
DERRINALPHIL said:
Watched the Geelong Gold Coast and two things that the Over 50's Clique and possibly only the Over 50's Clique, will appreciate, sprang to my mind.

The first was the large number of dropped high marks that slipped between the hands of players who were attempting to mark with their palms facing each other. This works well in dry conditions but I was always taught, when playing in greasy conditions, to have palms facing the ball so it could not slip through my hands. I lost count of the number of marks that would have been taken if the Over 50's Clique were wet weather consultants for both sides.

The other point was no long sleeves, a simply astounding error. Well it astonished me. I assume they would not put oil on the hands and arms to make them more slippery so why they didn't wear a legal jumper that would aid ball handling shows a paucity of initiative thinking.
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Massive difference in the way we/you were taught compared to todays kids. Every kid was taught the basics so that they could play to the best of their ability. My experience is it’s not like that anymore.
 
martinson said:
Putting this here where I won't get piled on.

I'm done with Rayner. Drop him. Do anything to get him to realise what you need to do to be a mature AFL footballer with over 100 games under your belt.

I'm still dirty on the GF granted .
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Rayner is who he is you can't fit a square peg in a round hole he's not a midfielder and he's not a Dustin Martin type forward but he certainly has the tools to excel in the game. We don't need to trade him we need a new coach with innovative ideas to unlock his potential.
 
western royboy said:
Massive difference in the way we/you were taught compared to todays kids. Every kid was taught the basics so that they could play to the best of their ability. My experience is it’s not like that anymore.
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It is in the U12 side I coach.
 

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