Overweight and Obesity in Australia in 2023 and future projections.

[beez]

Im not convinced Ozempic is a great option for MOST people wanting to lose weight (whilst acknowledging its a great option for some) but that really is a stupid article. Hopefully most people either dont bother with it at all or go beyond the sensationalist headline.

It is a really bad option for most people.

Maybe there will be a time in 10 years when the drug is developed further to limit the side effects, but until then it should really only be used in extreme cases. Not because of its efficacy, but because it a) allows patients to not improve the underlying reason why they need the drug in the first place and b) because of what happens when you come off the drug.

There are better natural products that promote similar hormonal responses in the body without the side effects or potential damage down the track.

 

[the fly]

I havent read the article, but I can say Roxy is the dickheads dickhead.

I only know of her because of the "poo jogger", which surely just had to be her stirring up publicity for herself.

 

[nobbyiscool]

It is a really bad option for most people.

Maybe there will be a time in 10 years when the drug is developed further to limit the side effects, but until then it should really only be used in extreme cases. Not because of its efficacy, but because it a) allows patients to not improve the underlying reason why they need the drug in the first place and b) because of what happens when you come off the drug.

There are better natural products that promote similar hormonal responses in the body without the side effects or potential damage down the track.

On point a - do you realise how hard it is for people to lose weight, and to "re-set" their health on the other side of 40? On point b, there's a whole process to coming off the drug.

In an ideal world no one would use it for weight loss, my experience of it has been brutal. But I was never going to be able to get back to a healthy weight by normal means. So what would opponents of Ozempic for weightloss have me do? Just die an early, uncomfortable death?

The idea - in terms of shrinking stomach - is the same as gastric band surgery, except it's lower risk, it's reversible, and you can taper off it any time you need. Gastric banding contains significantly more risks - mortal risks at that - and it's significantly more expensive.

But people apparently still want to be able to look down their noses at fat people and I guess think we deserve the risk, not the "easy" (it's not easy), safe, reversible option.

 

[phantom13]

On point a - do you realise how hard it is for people to lose weight, and to "re-set" their health on the other side of 40? On point b, there's a whole process to coming off the drug.

In an ideal world no one would use it for weight loss, my experience of it has been brutal. But I was never going to be able to get back to a healthy weight by normal means. So what would opponents of Ozempic for weightloss have me do? Just die an early, uncomfortable death?

The idea - in terms of shrinking stomach - is the same as gastric band surgery, except it's lower risk, it's reversible, and you can taper off it any time you need. Gastric banding contains significantly more risks - mortal risks at that - and it's significantly more expensive.

But people apparently still want to be able to look down their noses at fat people and I guess think we deserve the risk, not the "easy" (it's not easy), safe, reversible option.

Nobody is looking down their noses and nobody is suggesting it’s easy but by your own admission it’s an extreme measure and the point I was making is that it’s very clearly becoming something of a shortcut for people who are not in those extreme circumstances you’ve noted. Roxy Jacenkos story is idiotic but the way ozemoic continues to get promoted is going to lead to more stories like hers, not less.

 

[beez]

On point a - do you realise how hard it is for people to lose weight, and to "re-set" their health on the other side of 40? On point b, there's a whole process to coming off the drug.

In an ideal world no one would use it for weight loss, my experience of it has been brutal. But I was never going to be able to get back to a healthy weight by normal means. So what would opponents of Ozempic for weightloss have me do? Just die an early, uncomfortable death?

The idea - in terms of shrinking stomach - is the same as gastric band surgery, except it's lower risk, it's reversible, and you can taper off it any time you need. Gastric banding contains significantly more risks - mortal risks at that - and it's significantly more expensive.

But people apparently still want to be able to look down their noses at fat people and I guess think we deserve the risk, not the "easy" (it's not easy), safe, reversible option.

Believe you me, I appreciate your situation.

I'm glad Ozempic is having some positive effect on you life - I hope it continues.

 

[DickieKnee]

Three food groups for the perfect breakfast are caffeine, nicotine and grease.

Well all three are absolutely necessary if you have a hangover.

 

[Gough]

Well all three are absolutely necessary if you have a hangover.

You can add bubbles and call it brunch too. It's a very versatile combination.

 

[the_interloper]

On point a - do you realise how hard it is for people to lose weight, and to "re-set" their health on the other side of 40? On point b, there's a whole process to coming off the drug.

In an ideal world no one would use it for weight loss, my experience of it has been brutal. But I was never going to be able to get back to a healthy weight by normal means. So what would opponents of Ozempic for weightloss have me do? Just die an early, uncomfortable death?

The idea - in terms of shrinking stomach - is the same as gastric band surgery, except it's lower risk, it's reversible, and you can taper off it any time you need. Gastric banding contains significantly more risks - mortal risks at that - and it's significantly more expensive.

But people apparently still want to be able to look down their noses at fat people and I guess think we deserve the risk, not the "easy" (it's not easy), safe, reversible option.

People will certainly judge you for however you lose weight I've found. I guess ideally you change your lifestyle and do it "organically" but it's bloody hard to do, impossible for some for many reasons. So if you can do it by shakes, lap band, Ozempic or whatever it's still good, you're going to be healthier for having lost it.

The question is whether it's sustainable of course, but if you can drop some weight somehow it's a good starting point. The next thing is to keep it off, doesn't mean using other means to get a start on it is a bad idea (I don't know much about Ozempic to be fair)

 

[nobbyiscool]

Nobody is looking down their noses and nobody is suggesting it’s easy but by your own admission it’s an extreme measure and the point I was making is that it’s very clearly becoming something of a shortcut for people who are not in those extreme circumstances you’ve noted. Roxy Jacenkos story is idiotic but the way ozemoic continues to get promoted is going to lead to more stories like hers, not less.

Believe you me, I appreciate your situation.

I'm glad Ozempic is having some positive effect on you life - I hope it continues.

I don't even know whether it can/does work longterm yet, only because the side effects are so rough there's some chance my doctor will take me off it. I'm not even tapered up to the full dose yet.

My point is simply that people dealing with obesity - who are already at greater risk of associated physical and mental health issues - deserve better than being judged for an approach to losing weight that the majority of people will do safely and under the advice of their doctor. On the contrary, I'd argue that they deserve passionate support for taking such an extreme, harsh, difficult measure to try and improve all facets of their health.

 

[phantom13]

I don't even know whether it can/does work longterm yet, only because the side effects are so rough there's some chance my doctor will take me off it. I'm not even tapered up to the full dose yet.

My point is simply that people dealing with obesity - who are already at greater risk of associated physical and mental health issues - deserve better than being judged for an approach to losing weight that the majority of people will do safely and under the advice of their doctor. On the contrary, I'd argue that they deserve passionate support for taking such an extreme, harsh, difficult measure to try and improve all facets of their health.

I agree, my point has nothing to do with an individuals needs or requirements.

 

[Bostonian]

I've done water fasting for years now.

Most times I do 48-72 hours when I get the urge too.

Normally after smashing a pizza or some take away that left me feeling way over carbed.

The longest I ever did was 12 days.

Felt amazing at the end.

It's something to start off slowly doing and build up.

24 hours isn't that hard if you just carry a water bottle around with you and when you feel peckish smash a big drink of water down to make yourself feel fuller

 

[Cuzz09]

I think I'd get light headed very quickly doing that.



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[Gralin]

I've done water fasting for years now.

Most times I do 48-72 hours when I get the urge too.

Normally after smashing a pizza or some take away that left me feeling way over carbed.

absolutely not healthy behaviour

The longest I ever did was 12 days.

stupidity

Felt amazing at the end.

It's something to start off slowly doing and build up.

24 hours isn't that hard if you just carry a water bottle around with you and when you feel peckish smash a big drink of water down to make yourself feel fuller

yeah suggesting people don't eat for days is not what I'd call good advice, the opposite really

if you've got a lot of fat stores you might get away without a large amount of muscle loss, but you're going to lose muscle mass

go long enough and you can cop refeeding syndrome when you do start eating again

you're just encouraging people to play the lottery with their health with this bullshit

 

[phantom13]

I did a 3 day juice cleanse (which ive mentioned before).

Never ****ing again, was horrible in every facet.

I think short fasts, especially coupled with good water intake arent bad (im talking 24-36 hours at most) if thats your bag but there are also much better ways to do it.

 

[Bostonian]

absolutely not healthy behaviour

stupidity

yeah suggesting people don't eat for days is not what I'd call good advice, the opposite really

if you've got a lot of fat stores you might get away without a large amount of muscle loss, but you're going to lose muscle mass

go long enough and you can cop refeeding syndrome when you do start eating again

you're just encouraging people to play the lottery with their health with this bullshit

Yeah my GP said water fasting for 24-72 hours is fine.

So I'll take their word over yours.

I did 12 days once and I felt amazing after the 12 days. Was nothing to do with weight loss.

 

[Bostonian]

The reason why people end up overweight is because they get into the habit of eating 2-3 meals a day and even when they don't feel like cooking or eating they'll still do it simply out of habit.

If they simply drank water in those moments and gave food a break when they didn't feel arsed about cooking and eating it would benefit their health without having to change a lot.

 

[phantom13]

Yeah my GP said water fasting for 24-72 hours is fine.

So I'll take their word over yours.

I did 12 days once and I felt amazing after the 12 days. Was nothing to do with weight loss.

I think there is a difference between a doctor saying its fine to recommending it as a weight loss/lifestyle too.

The reason why people end up overweight is because they get into the habit of eating 2-3 meals a day and even when they don't feel like cooking or eating they'll still do it simply our of habit.

If they simply drank water in those moments and gave food a break when they didn't feel arsed about cooking and eating it would benefit their health.

Maybe, i think someone doing this is much more likely to binge eat after their fast though.

I eat 2 meals a day and swear by it but not eating anything for 2-3 or more days is much more likely to be detrimental than helpful for weight loss especially.

 

[raskolnikov]

On point a - do you realise how hard it is for people to lose weight, and to "re-set" their health on the other side of 40? On point b, there's a whole process to coming off the drug.

In an ideal world no one would use it for weight loss, my experience of it has been brutal. But I was never going to be able to get back to a healthy weight by normal means. So what would opponents of Ozempic for weightloss have me do? Just die an early, uncomfortable death?

The idea - in terms of shrinking stomach - is the same as gastric band surgery, except it's lower risk, it's reversible, and you can taper off it any time you need. Gastric banding contains significantly more risks - mortal risks at that - and it's significantly more expensive.

But people apparently still want to be able to look down their noses at fat people and I guess think we deserve the risk, not the "easy" (it's not easy), safe, reversible option.

It's difficult but no means impossible. I and others that I know have done it. What do you do for fitness and what are your goals fitness wise? Not necessarily advocating for CrossFit here, just a personal anecdote, but it's worked wonders for me. There are a variety of fitness programs out there that work.

 

[Gralin]

Yeah my GP said water fasting for 24-72 hours is fine.

Unless you are already malnourished 24-72 hours isn't going to do you any damage but that doesn't mean its a good response to eating badly

So I'll take their word over yours.

I did 12 days once and I felt amazing after the 12 days. Was nothing to do with weight loss.

no way would they say 12 days is fine

if all you had for 12 days was water and then you're living off your fat stores and muscles and depending on how much of both you have at the end of that you are anything but fine

you're also entering the range where refeeding syndrome could be an issue, there is simply no reason for you to be spruiking this as a good idea

 

[Bostonian]

I think there is a difference between a doctor saying its fine to recommending it as a weight loss/lifestyle too.


Maybe, i think someone doing this is much more likely to binge eat after their fast though.

I eat 2 meals a day and swear by it but not eating anything for 2-3 or more days is much more likely to be detrimental than helpful for weight loss especially.

Well it's about mental discipline as much as it is about what you do and don't eat.

It's remarkably easy to not pick something up and eat it if you concentrate in that exact moment you think you need to eat.

And by easy I mean the physical aspect of just not picking something up and putting it in on your mouth.

Creating your own strategy for a type of fasting can still involve a small amount of a food.

I started doing 48-72 hours twice a month simply by combining water when slightly peckish and when I felt a real hunger pangs just a handful of the crunchy fresh sprouts from the supermarket.

24 hours for a fast isn't even a long time now, gotten so easy to do.

 

[phantom13]

Well it's about mental discipline as much as it is about what you do and don't eat.

It's remarkably easy to not pick something up and eat it if you concentrate in that exact moment you think you need to eat.

And by easy I mean the physical aspect of just not picking something up and putting it in on your mouth.

Creating your own strategy for a type of fasting can still involve a small amount of a food.

I started doing 48-72 hours twice a month simply by combining water when slightly peckish and when I felt a real hunger pangs just a handful of the crunchy fresh sprouts from the supermarket.

24 hours for a fast isn't even a long time now, gotten so easy to do.

Yeh, with respect i think youre missing the point.

This is a thread about weight loss and other such things.

It seems like you are advocating for these fasts as a great way to do that, the reality is, theyre not.

 

[Bostonian]

Unless you are already malnourished 24-72 hours isn't going to do you any damage but that doesn't mean its a good response to eating badly


no way would they say 12 days is fine

if all you had for 12 days was water and then you're living off your fat stores and muscles and depending on how much of both you have at the end of that you are anything but fine

you're also entering the range where refeeding syndrome could be an issue, there is simply no reason for you to be spruiking this as a good idea

Ive found a 48 hour fast is a great way to reset a diet and to start a new healthier one.

If you go from eating rubbish to healthy food instantly you won't have created the right mindset to give it the best chance to work.

Remove the garbage from your diet and allow the body to flush some of that garbage out when the 48 hours is up the new healthier diet you are implementing with have a better chance of making you feel more satisfied with it mentally.

 

[Bostonian]

Yeh, with respect i think youre missing the point.

This is a thread about weight loss and other such things.

It seems like you are advocating for these fasts as a great way to do that, the reality is, theyre not.

Weight loss is 99% in the mind.

Fasts are a great way to cut off and reset the mindset that has lead to being overweight through poor eating habits.

If you understand you can go without food for an amount of time you can then understand you can survive without snacking and eating when you don't feel like you need to.

 

[phantom13]

Weight loss is 99% in the mind.

Fasts are a great way to cut off and reset the mindset that has lead to being overweight through poor eating habits.

If you understand you can go without food you can then understand you can survive without snacking and eating when you don't feel like you need to.

Ohhhhh.... nooooooo.

 

[beez]

absolutely not healthy behaviour

stupidity

yeah suggesting people don't eat for days is not what I'd call good advice, the opposite really

if you've got a lot of fat stores you might get away without a large amount of muscle loss, but you're going to lose muscle mass

go long enough and you can cop refeeding syndrome when you do start eating again

you're just encouraging people to play the lottery with their health with this bullshit

Fasting done correctly is amazing for your health. Not eating stimulates similar hormonal responses in your body as exercise.

The average person can go between 30-40 days without food given our fat storages before any significant muscle loss occurs.

Numerous peer-reviewed papers demonstrate that inconsequential amounts of muscle loss can occur - we mostly eat into our fat storages, not lean muscle mass.

Refeeding and overeating post-fast is a problem with a bad diet, it is not a problem if you eat relatively healthily.

Doing a 48-72 once every few months is amazing. Doing a 5+ day fast gives you both a euphoric feeling at times (similar to the runner's high) and a sense of accomplishment similar to running a half/full marathon.

Finally, your blood markers improve during a fast, whether it's 24hrs, 48hrs or longer. Doing a 5+ day fast will see the majority of your blood markers improve significantly.

It's difficult to do. But so is running 5km every day. Or training for a marathon.

(happy to disagree though )