PAFC CEO Matthew Richardson

[chachi11]

It is our best option to get the right to wear it in the AFL. That’s why we are pushing it.

I get why we have chosen the Crows...hopefully that changes in the future to any 2 home games followed by more.

 

[Chewy316]

It’s fear. The best Crows are on board with us, but there are those who tremble before our guernsey.

I would let them use the state guernsey, as an unnecessary compromise, tbh. We may not like it, but it’s part of their self-understanding. It fits them.

They would look like playing against us with the BiB guernsey in their colors, anyway. Besides, it would resemble an SANFL v. Magpies match, and I think that would be awesome.

The state jumper is one of those sacrosanct jerseys that are given to a select few. It represents the entire state, not a small minority. When I think of the state jumper I am immediately drawn to the classic state of origin games between SA and Victoria.

The Crows have no direct affiliation with the state jumper other than their colours. Some of Port Adelaide's best players wore the state jumper with pride against Victoria in state of origin.

We saw the outrage that transpired when Nigel Not So Smart tried to push through the Crows wearing the state jumper for their first game at Adelaide Oval in 2014. The outrage was state wide - they dropped it not even 48 hours after its announcement IIRC.

I think your lack of understanding here may be due to living in Brazil rather than being a local South Aussie. But if you ask any person from SA, they'll unequivocally tell you the Crows are not the state team and have no right to that jumper.

 

[chachi11]

The smug look of Smart was wiped pretty quickly when it got canned from even the ambassadors.
Anyone remember who the dumb **** from the snafl was that signed off on the crows being able to wear the state guernsey?

 

[bomberclifford]

The smug look of Smart was wiped pretty quickly when it got canned from even the ambassadors.
Anyone remember who the dumb fu** from the snafl was that signed off on the crows being able to wear the state guernsey?

Wasn’t it Leigh Whicker?

 

[GremioPower]

The state jumper is one of those sacrosanct jerseys that are given to a select few.

It would not be the state jumper. It would be a Crows “V” jumper.

It would resemble the South Australian guernsey, but it would be merely that – a copy.

 

[chachi11]

Wasn’t it Leigh Whicker?

LOL.....what a surprise.

 

[Stewart2Austin Reborn]

Wasn’t it Leigh Whicker?

The preferred term is Wee Licker

 

[backtozero]

It would not be the state jumper. It would be a Crows “V” jumper.

It would resemble the South Australian guernsey, but it would be merely that – a copy.

Don't really know what point you're making here as all guernseys are copies of previous designs and the very intention was for it to be the state league jumper. The point is that its not their heritage to represent and they tried to claim something that they have no right to.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

It would not be the state jumper. It would be a Crows “V” jumper.

It would resemble the South Australian guernsey, but it would be merely that – a copy.

It doesn't matter if it is officially the state jumper or not. If Adelaide declare they are wearing the state jumper because it is their jumper and their history, to say nothing will appear tacit agreement. It doesn't matter if you think everyone will pan the idea (thankfully they did), if it's wrong then we should say so.

 

[GremioPower]

all guernseys are copies of previous designs

I'm saying that the state team guernsey must be worn by the state team (i.e. by the SANFL). If it is worn by others, it is not the state team guernsey. It is simple as that.

Another team wearing the PB doesn't mean they are wearing the Port Adelaide guernsey. It would be just a copy. That's why different clubs can have similar shirts.

 

[backtozero]

I'm saying that the state team guernsey must be worn by the state team (i.e. by the SANFL). If it is worn by others, it is not the state team guernsey. It is simple as that.

Another team wearing the PB doesn't mean they are wearing the Port Adelaide guernsey. It would be just a copy. That's why different clubs can have similar shirts.

This is a really poor point.

 

[GremioPower]

This is a really poor point.

Would Racing Avellaneda wear the Argentine national team’s shirt, then?

Is Glenelg Richmond?

My point may be poor, but I would like to know why.

 

[Stewart2Austin Reborn]

Home team wears what they want. Away team wears what they want, so long as it provides adequate contrast.

If home team wants to wear their heritage guernsey, a "heritage" guernsey or even a screenshot of Ricky Henderson

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's unfortunately live indiscretion as the centrepiece, so be it.

If Adelaide want to wear a SoO guernsey (lol) then why would we, a separate entity, care? Surely we're not as insecure as Collingwood.

 

[backtozero]

Would Racing Avellaneda wear the Argentine national team’s shirt, then?

Is Glenelg Richmond?

My point may be poor, but I would like to know why.

Glenelg don't have their kit as it is to call on Richmond's history. It developed separately.
Adelaide asked to wear the SoO kit for the sole intention of masquerading as that side. Intent matters. Purpose matters.

 

[GremioPower]

Glenelg don't have their kit as it is to call on Richmond's history. It developed separately.
Adelaide asked to wear the SoO kit for the sole intention of masquerading as that side. Intent matters. Purpose matters.

Same guernsey, nickname, and club song, though. Yet, as you say, it’s a different entity.
That’s the same with the Crows.

Either they are something else, and their guernsey would be theirs, unrelated to the SANFL; or they are related, and thus they could wear the guernsey.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

From Richo's email.

This issue isn’t just about Port Adelaide or our guernsey alone. It’s about the passion and connection that all fans have with their clubs. The advantage that all sporting clubs have is the emotional connection they have with their people. This emotional connection is the very thing that drives our great game. A guernsey is not simply what you wear, it defines who you are and where you come from – it is the symbol that connects fans to their team. To grow and progress the game, we need to be continually strengthening the connection.

For Essendon, it’s the red sash, for Richmond its yellow and black, for Carlton it’s the crest … and for Port Adelaide it’s the prison bars.

This sums up what I have been saying for about 15 years on here. Players come and go, fans get over it, coaches come and go, fans get over that too. Administrators come and go, fans may lament some of them leaving but they get over it.

It is the colours, the logos, the guernsey / jumper / jersey that represent what the club is, over this constant change. These things should be the constants. The wharf pylons design represents our heartland, a port city, like no other guernsey / jumper / jersey by the 90+ professional sports teams in Oz.

What does Collingwood's design represent? Hoddle Street and the streets parallel to it?? How do red and white chevrons represent the eastern suburbs of Sydney in the NRL?? They have become a tradition, so it represents the club. No one is denying these clubs that tradition like we are denied ours.

It is why I have criticised our club's boards and administrators over the years for constantly changing our jumpers, especially the away /clash jumper and especially that ****in dead dolphin white monstrosity in the late '00's. Its why I have no love for away/clash/bland white jumpers - clash jumpers many times by Port and across the league, have unnecessarily turned into away jumpers when there is no clash, because they fear upsetting the AFL mandate and some stupid lackie in one of the AFL departments who is in charge of monitoring clashes.

Its why I have criticised the AFL with their constant ranting about clash jumpers, but leaving some teams unscathed. There should be absolute minimal use of clash jumpers across the league.

Well said Richo. I doubt your predecessors would have said it so well. Bucky wouldn't have said it, he was forced to come up with alternatives to the best jumper design in the land and justify it, and neither would or could have John James, Mark Haysman or Keith Thomas have said it so well.

 

[backtozero]

If Adelaide want to wear a SoO guernsey (lol) then why would we, a separate entity, care? Surely we're not as insecure as Collingwood.

Because you had to earn the right to wear it. Because it isn't their heritage, at all.

 

[Stewart2Austin Reborn]

Because you had to earn the right to wear it. Because it isn't their heritage, at all.

I see where you're coming from.

You're right, it isn't their heritage. But that's irrelevant. Teams are allowed to honour something historic if they want (see ANZAC day and planting a poppy on every guernsey).

If the Crows were to wear a SoO jumper, it would have AFL and Adelaide Crows branding (and a different blue). It would be a replica, not the real article. It would not be a SoO jumper. Therefore nobody needs to earn a "right" to wear it, in the same way that you and me can wear a replica bars guernsey.

And even if they were wearing a "legitimate" SoO jumper - so what? Caring about what other teams wear is Eddie-esque behaviour. It does not affect us in the slightest. If Port wore the bars and Crows wore the SoO replica... We'd still be Port Adelaide Est 1870 and Adelaide would still be Adelaide with their three decade history. And McGuire would still be complaining somewhere probably.

What other teams wear is meaningless to us. Let it go.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

I know. That’s why I wrote:



I would still let them do it, though. The SANFL won’t, so the point is moot.

P.S.: If any Brazilian club would get on the field with yellow-green shirts, blue shorts, and white socks, I don’t know how would be the reaction. I imagine people would laugh their hearts out, but nobody would forbid the club of doing it. It wouldn’t be Brazil; merely Brazil-like.

You EARN a state jumper.

You don't just get given one because you play for a certain club.

I'd ****ing burn my two (ammo's only) if they gave them out like candy.

 

[GremioPower]

You EARN a state jumper.

You don't just get given one because you play for a certain club.

I'd ******* burn my two (ammo's only) if they gave them out like candy.

It is NOT the state guernsey, for Pete’s sake!

The Adelaide Football Club is NOT the South Australian National Football League. The Adelaide Football Club can only wear Adelaide Crows’ guernsies.

It doesn’t matter the design nor the colours. It always going to be an Adelaide Crows’ guernsey.

A Glenelg guernsey is Glenelg’s; not Richmond’s. It’s the same rule.

Do you all really think they are the state team?!

 

[tribey]

Nah. Dicating what other teams wear was the problem in the first place.

Home teams should be able to wear what they want, regardless of herite or origin. If Adelaide want to SmartGoodwinSmug.jpg, then that's their business.

It’s literally not their guernsey to wear.

 

[tribey]

It is NOT the state guernsey, for Pete’s sake!

The Adelaide Football Club is NOT the South Australian National Football League. The Adelaide Football Club can only wear Adelaide Crows’ guernsies.

It doesn’t matter the design nor the colours. It always going to be an Adelaide Crows’ guernsey.

A Glenelg guernsey is Glenelg’s; not Richmond’s. It’s the same rule.

Do you all really think they are the state team?!

This is very confusing.

The basic protocol of the state guernsey not being worn by any club, whether it’s Adelaide or North Haven, is pretty straight-forward.

 

[Stewart2Austin Reborn]

It’s literally not their guernsey to wear.

Yes and no. They can never, by definition, wear the SoO uniform as they are the Adelaide Crows. It would be an AFL-branded recoloured replica, just like our current BiB get up.

 

[GremioPower]

This is very confusing.

The basic protocol of the state guernsey not being worn by any club, whether it’s Adelaide or North Haven, is pretty straight-forward.

We do. With our colours.

 

[tribey]

We do. With our colours.

By that logic Belgium flies France’s flag and vice-versa.