Summer Paris 2024 - Swimming

[hewetta]

What time would he have posted in a ''record pool''

0.4 off the WR in the slow Paris pool may have been a 0.7-0.8s in a faster pool I'd say. Would have given the 46 second mark a good shake. Taking 0.8s off the 100m WR would just be insane, no surprises that people are suspicious

 

[Phil McCreviss]

Chinese isn’t a race you dumb campaigner, it’s a nationality.

Pretty sure any Asian would get the same doping questions if the Australians didn't win. Asian is a race by the way. Do they teach that in Australian schools?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

RussellEbertHandball I know it’s a little way away, but what are your thoughts as to how our 4x100 mixed medley team is shaping up? Kaylee, Yong, McKeon, Chalmers?

Here is the SwimSwam article.

Looks like they only analysed the MMFF and FMFM option for yanks, and that gave them the best result. Don't know why they didn't give stats on FMMF option.

They Rank USA FMFM > China MMFF > Oz FMMF

2024 Olympics Previews: Versatility & Volatility the Name of the Game in Mixed Medley Relay

With over a million possible combinations, this event is impossible to predict, but it seems highly likely that the US will use Regan Smith and her recent WR in the 100 back.

swimswam.com

 

[Drummond]

Here is the SwimSwam article.

Looks like they only analysed the MMFF and FMFM option for yanks, and that gave them the best result. Don't know why they didn't give stats on FMMF option.

They Rank USA FMFM > China MMFF > Oz FMMF

2024 Olympics Previews: Versatility & Volatility the Name of the Game in Mixed Medley Relay

With over a million possible combinations, this event is impossible to predict, but it seems highly likely that the US will use Regan Smith and her recent WR in the 100 back.

swimswam.com

Thanks mate (for this post and the previous). Will check out the article.

 

[catstorm]

Pretty sure any Asian would get the same doping questions if the Australians didn't win. Asian is a race by the way. Do they teach that in Australian schools?

No they wouldn’t and no they they haven’t no one has any problems with swimmers from Japan or South Korea or any other Asian nation. Just China and their systematic doping regime.

Nice try but **** off out of here with your bullshit.

 

[fuic08]

And Pan isn't one. Maybe Chalmers was just not good enough. That would be too hard for the salty racists though.

It shows that it was team wide doping.

What exactly were the consequences for it?

Surely that many from one country doping means they were dealt with harshly?

 

[Phil McCreviss]

No they wouldn’t and no they they haven’t no one has any problems with swimmers from Japan or South Korea or any other Asian nation. Just China and their systematic doping regime.

Nice try but **** off out of here with your bullshit.

Remember Shane Warne? Guilty of doping. But he's got a statue in front of the MCG. I'll tell you what. Let's petition for Pan to get a statue as well and we will call it even (and not racist). Deal?

 

[Phil McCreviss]

It shows that it was team wide doping.

What exactly were the consequences for it?

Surely that many from one country doping means they were dealt with harshly?

Are you talking about the Chinese team or Pan specifically? Not denying China have been guilty of systemic doping but this only seems to happen when Australia loses a gold medal. As someone else said before, innocent until proven guilty. Pan won it fair and square until proven otherwise. Any other conjecture is 100% blatant sooking.

 

[catstorm]

Remember Shane Warne? Guilty of doping. But he's got a statue in front of the MCG. I'll tell you what. Let's petition for Pan to get a statue as well and we will call it even (and not racist). Deal?

What makes you think I give a shit about Shane Warne?

Also don’t bring up Jack with me either you’re welcome to go over my posts about her where I state she is a drug cheat and should have been banned for life.

You’re trying to make this about race and it’s got nothing to do with it.

 

[fuic08]

Are you talking about the Chinese team or Pan specifically? Not denying China have been guilty of systemic doping but this only seems to happen when Australia loses a gold medal. As someone else said before, innocent until proven guilty. Pan won it fair and square until proven otherwise. Any other conjecture is 100% blatant sooking.

How would we know? They hid the last positive results, and then nothing came of it anyway.

 

[Phil McCreviss]

How would we know? They hid the last positive results, and then nothing came of it anyway.

So Pan is definitely a doper because you "think" they hid his last results? You don't even categorically know if he has been tested. Tarring every swimmer with the same brush is lazy. If he is guilty of doping then by all means jump on him. To do it without proof is just being a sook because Australia lost a medal.

 

[apollo_creed]

It's a cultural difference.

The Chinese have a very win-at-all-costs culture. It doesn't matter how they win as long as they do so. In this philosophy, they're not doing anything wrong.

In most Western cultures we have a win-the-right-way attitude.

Philosophically, we are opposed.

As racist as it gets.

US track athletes

Yes the West never cheat.

 

[fuic08]

So Pan is definitely a doper because you "think" they hid his last results? You don't even categorically know if he has been tested. Tarring every swimmer with the same brush is lazy. If he is guilty of doping then by all means jump on him. To do it without proof is just being a sook because Australia lost a medal.

23 of the 30 swimmers were caught. It would be naive to think it wasn't the whole team.

 

[danielnajdek]

And Pan isn't one. Maybe Chalmers was just not good enough. That would be too hard for the salty racists though.

This same thing was said after everyone doubted the China relay team who won gold in Tokyo. 3 Years later and we find out 2 of them tested positive. Unless you believe the bullshit Australian Meat reason.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

This same thing was said after everyone doubted the China relay team who won gold in Tokyo. 3 Years later and we find out 2 of them tested positive. Unless you believe the bullshit Australian Meat reason.

That relay was a farce they broke their best time by like 12 seconds lol as if they weren’t doped to their eyeballs

 

[Visions]

23 before the Tokyo games.

Were they named?

 

[Visions]

He is not wrong about the racism stuff.

I find it hilarious that the Chinese social media users have jumped to that as their first defense of the record.

Lines like: "You're just jealous that because you're white you're inferior." are absolutely everywhere.

if communist and ex-communist countries didn’t have a habit of state sponsored doping programs in the propagandist pursuit of making themselves look superior to the rest of the world, then maybe questions wouldn’t be asked.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So you’d think that mean’s no Gold for any Australian man again in the pool just like London in 2012 and also Beijing in 2008, also means only 3 Australian male swimmers (Horton, Chalmers & Stubblety-Cook) have won Gold in the last 20 years (4 Olympics) . Both ZSC & Kyle with absolute horrible luck they didn’t add to their’s given the out of the ordinary performances they copped in their events tonight.

So what are we talking here do we finally need that ‘probe’ into our men’s team? Like the one Roy & HG called for back in Athens when only Thorpe & Hackett won gold? It is proving just to be a bridge too far to match other countries male swimmers. Kyle being the only thing close to having another ‘Freak’ athlete swimmer post Thorpe & Hackett and his main event being the most competitive in world swimming probably played its part in not grabbing the gold medals you’d ideally would’ve liked.

EDIT:

Ha!!! Both thinking about the probe at the same time

I've done a quick probe and maybe the men aren't as bad as things look.

So far Men have gone 0G 4S 1B in 9 individual events and 2 relays
The men have gone... 4G 1S 0B in 8 individual events and 1 relay

M 100m Free SILVER Chalmers beaten by what looks very dodgy result. Poor swim by Yang not to make semis.

M 200m Free Guiliani swam marginally quicker than the trials and Tommy Neil was about on par. The last 4 or 5 years Popovici is the only swimmer to break 1.44 - done it 3 or 4 times. Low 1.44s seem to be the best most swimmers can punch out. Think guys prefer to do the 50/100 double rather than 100/200 double like yesteryear.

Need a good investigation into find guys who want to just swim 200m and can do it in 1.44 flat or less. Poms have about 5 blokes who do it and why they have won 4x200m at last 2 Olympics and 3 of last 5 world champs. I don't count 2024 world champs in February, that was a mickey mouse meet.

M 400m Free SILVER Winnington did well to win silver but Sam Short hasn't recovered from his sickness in June trials. He gets back to full health then things will look good.

M 800m Free Winnington made the final but was poor and well below his PB. Sam Short's health issues impacted result here.

SwimSwam tipped Short to win both these events based on him getting back to full health.

M 100 Back we have no depth

M 100m Breaststroke we have no depth
M 200m Breaststroke SILVER ZSC beaten by covid and hometown hero. A pretty good effort by Zac

M 400m IM Oz has a poor history in this event and also the 200 IM. Only Oz medallists in either event's history has been bronzes in the 400m in 1984 by relatively new Oz swimming CEO Rob Woodhouse and Brendon Smith in Tokyo

You have to be a real workhorse to win these events that why guys like Tamas Darnyi and Michael Phelps have done the double double and 2 others a Swed and Canadian Alex Baumann have done the double, and Marchand will join them here.

4 x 100m relay SILVER was about as good as it gets until we find 4 blokes who can swim under 47.50, which aint easy.
4 x 200m relay BRONZE was about as good as it gets until we find more blokes who can swim 1.44 flat or better.

Women 4 gold and 1 silver, 3 individual events and 4x100m Free relay, gold and silver in 200m Free

Non gold medal events

W 100m Free was a flop from MOC - too slow in first 50m. Jack a bit disappointing.
W 1500m Free no Lani - covid - no medal. Nobody is going to beat the GOAT

W 100m Breaststroke we have no depth

W 100m Butterfly Emma McKeon's 6th was about right given she is near the end of her career

W 400m IM is about right given Kaylee didn't swim it, but is 2nd or 3rd best in the world in 2024.

 

[Phil McCreviss]

23 of the 30 swimmers were caught. It would be naive to think it wasn't the whole team.

Also presumptuous. Again it's sticking to the narrative because it directly affected Australia and it's blatant sour grapes.
It's like me saying 23 out of 30 Australians are racist. That means you must be too. Generalization bias when it suits.

 

[AdelaideGT]

Go Lizzie

 

[janty]

That American didn't wear her pink gloves this time.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

McIntosh too good, too strong.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Summer!

Probably my favourite swimmer what a talent

 

[janty]

Imagine how bad that Chinese swimmer would be if they weren't taking anything

 

[AdelaideGT]

Lizzie well below her best from trials. Hope she's not another one bitten by covid.