Patrick Smith abuses North CEO, Arocca

[jacko57]

Re: Fatprick Smith abuses North CEO, Arocca

What happens to north when the sympathy runs out and other clubs' members stop buying north memberships?

Membership drops from 34k last year to 30k this year. Not far removed from the number you have, in a so-far unbeaten season. Maybe you should be worrying about your own backyard.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Re: Fatprick Smith abuses North CEO, Arocca

This f***head cant get thorugh his head that the $10 million that the "white knights" were going to supply has NOTHING to do with the re-development.

NOTHING Patrick. You f***ing lunatic.

 

[R00StaR]

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Its interesting Smith kept harping back to the huge mistake not to relocate like its fact. What crystal ball is the guy using? Over the 2 years the club has been profitable, recorded 30k+ membership both years, increase sponsorship revenue and will have $15m training facility in the very near term.

Just how is this a proven mistake?

Then the white knight thing, carrying on like the club has done the biggest of injustices against the world. We'll hello, there a financial crisis! Goverments around the world with their trillions of dollars have had to re access. Fact is things that may have been achievable now arent, times change. Regardless, without this white night money North have made massive inroads despite crap stadium deals, poor fixuring and draws all during a financial crisis!

Nope nothing positive to see here, move along

Seriously why are we hell bent on driving clubs to the wall that have 25k+ members, that play a game thats only played in half of our tiny country? Makes no sense to me at all.

 

[speedy]

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Seriously why are we hell bent on driving clubs to the wall that have 25k+ members, that play a game thats only played in half of our tiny country? Makes no sense to me at all.

Makes no sense to me either. The game is in the best shape its ever been yet certain parts of the media and opposition supporters are hell bent on seeing certain clubs fold.

Why? Do they want less footy games each week? Or is it just the satisfaction that someone else’s footy club bit the bullet and theirs didn’t? That’s pretty sad if true.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

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Makes no sense to me either. The game is in the best shape its ever been yet certain parts of the media and opposition supporters are hell bent on seeing certain clubs fold.

Why? Do they want less footy games each week? Or is it just the satisfaction that someone else’s footy club bit the bullet and theirs didn’t? That’s pretty sad if true.

Exactly right Speedy. Real supporters don't wish for other clubs to fold.

 

[Hollow Knight]

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Patrick Smith made a goose of himself.

Eugene summed it up nice and early... once North get a fair stadium deal, they'll be fine.

Patrick Smith just pulled out the same old tired cliches and got shittier and shittier when Eugene kept shutting him down.

"Its not our (the media's) job to be cheerleaders for North"

No, but you could at least try and be factual and even handed in your reporting, rather than constantly trying to dig a grave for North Melbourne.

 

[greennick]

Re: Fatprick Smith abuses North CEO, Arocca

Regardless of whether you disagree with someone or not, to carry on like a spoilt brat during an interview with a guest is embarassing.

Arocca wasn't a guest per se, but a caller.

Smith probably would have preferred continuing to bag North without Arocca there to defend North. He likes the easy targets.

 

[speedy]

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Exactly right Speedy. Real supporters don't wish for other clubs to fold.

This is the sad dynamic of the current AFL landscape:

Interstate club supporters resent that the majority of clubs come from Victoria. Hence why they wish for Victorian clubs to die.

The supporters of the "power clubs" in Victoria are finding things difficult with the introduction of these interstate clubs. Flags are scarce these days. Seeing opposition Victorian clubs fold instead of their own would give them a sense of achievement in lieu of this premiership success. Hence why they wish for Victorian clubs to die.

That leaves the supporters of the "pauper clubs". Well they are just in an old fashioned $hit fight. They believe that if another club falls over first, it is less likely to happen to their club. Hence why they wish for Victorian clubs to die.


Well that’s it, pretty sad, hey?

 

[Zondor]

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I don't really understand Patrick's POV.

He seems to be saying that North Melbourne members will be disappointed with the NM board's decision to remain in Melbourne, and endure the financial hardship (at least in the short-term) that entails. I'm not a NM member obviously, but if I were, I know how I would feel.

I would have thought NM members would be more disappointed if the board had decided to move the club to the Gold Coast.

Obviously, had the club been moved, it would be in a better financial position, but it wouldn't be North Melbourne, it would be the Gold Coast and would, in all likelihood, have absolutely nothing to do with North Melbourne.

If North Melbourne goes down the tube then so be it, it will be no different to if the club had moved to the Gold Coast. As it is though, there is a chance that NM will survive and its members will have their own club.

There it is and there you are. Spot on Marlin01.

Idiots and imbeciles only fail to understand the above.

 

[Plugger35]

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Patrick Smith made a goose of himself.

Eugene summed it up nice and early... once North get a fair stadium deal, they'll be fine.

Patrick Smith just pulled out the same old tired cliches and got shittier and shittier when Eugene kept shutting him down.

"Its not our (the media's) job to be cheerleaders for North"

No, but you could at least try and be factual and even handed in your reporting, rather than constantly trying to dig a grave for North Melbourne.

Yeah Arocca certainly came out of that exchange looking a lot better than Patrick Smith, who once again showed himself up for the pompous, over opinionated knob that he is.

Arocca made a very valid argument that the lousy Etihad Stadium deal is the main reason why North is looking to shift games elsewhere, it is the same reason why other Etihad based clubs like St Kilda, Bulldogs and Carlton have also shifted games. Yet Smith didn't want to know about that and kept attacking North for not going to the Gold Coast, saying that they now only have themselves to blame. As Arocca quite rightly pointed out, most of the Etihad clubs were railroaded into unfair stadium deals and the clubs had little or no say in it.

Just like Caroline Wilson, Smith loves focusing on the negative aspects of clubs as it makes for a more sensational story. Whether or not their stories are actually balanced or factually correct are secondary and, as others have mentioned, they hardly ever acknowledge or apologise when they get things wrong.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Re: Fatprick Smith abuses North CEO, Arocca

Patrick just makes me laugh these days. He always picks the negative point of view.

 

[Bazzar]

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Patrick just makes me laugh these days. He always picks the negative point of view.

True, and soft easy targets.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

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Smith, like Wilson, also exhibits an automatic bias against certain traditional Melbourne clubs. That would be why he so enthusiastically cheered on the murder of Fitzroy by the AFL IMO.

He's pretty shameless about it too...

 

[Zondor]

Re: Fatprick Smith abuses North CEO, Arocca

For starters, he was harping on about a million dollar budget shortfall which was wrong. And then he referred to a $100 million offer to relocate which was never the case.

Spot on snrubs.

Fatprick was incorrect with both those points he raised.

The 100 million dollar offer included revenue streams that North still receive for being North Melbourne and I'm not sure how the relocation costs in that package was meant to add to the relocated clubs bottom line. I think when it was all said and done, it was something like a 30 Million Dollar offer that the AFL made to the NMFC to relocate if you deduct the above points I made.

And the budget shortfall is just rot. Simply it is a Cash Flow issue. The NMFC dont have to pay a million dollars more for the Arden St Redevlopment.

Simply put the guy is a hack journo who is a ******* of the highest order.

 

[magilla]

Re: Fatprick Smith abuses North CEO, Arocca

Who cares what he says. If you asked him he would say he is a good journalist and a good bloke. He is full of shit.

 

[Plugger35]

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Smith, like Wilson, also exhibits an automatic bias against certain traditional Melbourne clubs. That would be why he so enthusiastically cheered on the murder of Fitzroy by the AFL IMO.

He's pretty shameless about it too...

Yeah Smith seems to pick certain clubs or individuals to target. He really had it in for Grant Thomas when he was coaching St Kilda too, giving him the derogatory nickname of 'Cornflakes' and ripping into him at every opportunity, especially early on in his coaching career.

I'll be the first to admit that Thomas had his faults but he also did a lot of good things in his time at St Kilda and took us to two preliminary finals, despite a bad run with injuries. However, Smith never mentioned any of those good things and only focused on the negative. His personal vendetta against Thomas became quite pathetic and tiresome in the end.

 

[snrub]

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Smith like everyone else at SEN has been fed with the AFL propoganda whilst Arocca was clearly out of his depth when pressed for answers to some tricky questions = no winners on either side

On which points was Arocca out of his depth?

 

[snrub]

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Patrick Smith made a goose of himself.

Eugene summed it up nice and early... once North get a fair stadium deal, they'll be fine.

Patrick Smith just pulled out the same old tired cliches and got shittier and shittier when Eugene kept shutting him down.

"Its not our (the media's) job to be cheerleaders for North"

No, but you could at least try and be factual and even handed in your reporting, rather than constantly trying to dig a grave for North Melbourne.

I think you've got it in one there BrownDog.

This campaign of trying to kill clubs does not serve the public interest one iota. It's not like these are public companies with superannuation funds tied up in dodgy foreign investments. The public interest is better served in talking up confidence in the institutions and helping them to prosper. Smith does not see this as his role but he does need to stop and wonder just what his role really is. Reporting the facts? Perhaps. Repeating outdated facts in an hysterical fashion? No.

You just know that this creep would turn around immediately after the next club's demise (as he did with Fitzroy) and wash his hands of responsibility and then tut-tut the AFL's unsympathetic handling of the matter.

 

[Richo83]

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Right about everything else Richo, but off-base there. From my point of view, it looked like Wilson threw what she could at JB, and got humiliated in the process!

Maybe my standard of civility for Caro is so low after seeing her carry on like an old hag for so long!

Hutchinson is another journalist with no credibility, openly fabricates stuff and talks out of his arse. Smith, Wilson and Hutchinson are an unholy trinity of terrible journalists. This is just an example of this.

 

[Richo83]

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On which points was Arocca out of his depth?

I don't think he was out of his depth but he did struggle to be able to respond to Smith's shrill rudeness, maybe he didn't expect a senior journalist to be an utter knob on commercial radio.

Can any roos fan explain the details of your inequitable stadium agreement?

 

[snrub]

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I don't think he was out of his depth but he did struggle to be able to respond to Smith's shrill rudeness, maybe he didn't expect a senior journalist to be an utter knob on commercial radio.

Can any roos fan explain the details of your inequitable stadium agreement?

North Melbourne currently does not have a stadium agreement. We get the standard rate card as negotiated by the AFL. We play where we are told to play.

 

[Richo83]

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North Melbourne currently does not have a stadium agreement. We get the standard rate card as negotiated by the AFL. We play where we are told to play.

But, okay but it's negociating for a better stadium deal, how will that work, agitate for better game times? Like what is it about Essendon's agreement that is so better than the roos? Is it they get best games is it they have to have less fans turn up to the games, I'm interested to hear it explained, it's been talked about but for a guy who doesn't know much about the issue it would be interesting to read a roos fan explain it all.

 

[macdaddio]

Re: Fatprick Smith abuses North CEO, Arocca

Fatprick doesnt listen to any one other than him self, he is the worlds biggest tosser....

 

[saintsrule]

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Membership drops from 34k last year to 30k this year. Not far removed from the number you have, in a so-far unbeaten season. Maybe you should be worrying about your own backyard.

Seriously, why would I be worried? Saints membership is going up, not down at the rate of 4000 a season. I'm guessing that next year it will be up by at least 4000 to 5000, given the latent support base. I reckon there are still a fair number of sympathizers among the North membership, and that isn't going to last.

I used to feel sorry for North, but now I think they are their own worst enemies. I would be happy to be proved wrong.

 

[Talib00]

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Listened back to it on sportsentral.com.au - Patrick Smith is a loser. What a disgraceful piece of journalism, constantly interrupting the person who he allegedly interviewing. It seemed pretty straight forward that when Arocca was saying that their redevelopment is finishing early so they'll have to pull some funding forward, it wasn't a "million dollar hole" that Smith wanted it to be, but simply that they are taking an up-coming payment early to provide for the paying off of the redevelopment. I'm not sure where Patrick can't understand this.

Time SEN gave Smith the flick, his time has well and truely passed.