Pay TV Deal- Talks Ceased

[nooB]

Someone get a poll going "What would you rather - all 8 AFL games to be broadcasted on FTA or 3-4 games going to Foxtel". See which side of the court the ball is on

 

[huntos]

Point noted about the paragraphs.
But wouldn't the AFL know that the tv networks are going to loose money and think of the exposure as a perfect setup for the new teams which will apear in the next 5 years.

I would think they would place the poor tv ratings down to management of the pay deal by 7 and 10. And simply say to channel 9 that the good ratings (in melbourne, peth ect) are still there to be had, plus now there is 2 new teams to increase your ratings in the northern markets with the expense of 5 years of advertising at the expense of 7 and 10.

 

[Korn]

does this mean there will be no replays on fox?

 

[Dog's Breakfast]

I don't see that this will help all the viewers in the NT if no deal is arranged with any other broadcaster (FTA or Foxtel). We only have two commercial stations 9 & Southern Cross (7/10). Surely Southern Cross will not show all 8 games each week. I hope for our sake some deal is arranged or AFL coverage up here will go backwards next year.

 

[Macca19]

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To hell with Foxtel showing the AFL

the Australian Football League (AFL) is an Australian sport, why on earth should we pay for a service that is a national sport? Everybody has the right to view it for free - unless their attending the game live in person of course.

We can have a look at the World Cup - shown on SBS and not a dime left our pockets - why? cause its a world wide tournament, a tournament Australia is clearly involved in, everybody has the right to view it, thus the payment in this case does not need to exist. HOWEVER, the EURO 2008 will definately be forced onto Foxtel - why? Cause its considered a 'European Tournament', it does not have Australian involvement.

The AFL - 100% Australian with 100% involvement from australians, a sport that everyone deserves to watch without spending a dime unless they are physically attending it live in person. GO FTA when it comes to showing the AFL!! Though go Foxtel when showing the WWE !

Youve been listening to Ryan Phelan too much.

Having Foxtel involved in AFL is a positive, not a negative. Its not like every bloody game is going to be shown on Foxtel. I bet you'd be the first to whinge if a Bulldogs game isnt on FTA for you to watch too.

 

[Doctor Jolly]

Which in the end would be a huge loss for the AFL once the new TV rights deal comes. You have to look long term at this, any loss by the FTA channels would mean a loss for the AFL long term IMO.

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What makes you think Foxtel wont be desperate for the rights in 5 years if they miss out this time.

I cant really see if having any effect on the next deal, other than a possible positive one with NSW/QLD getting so much more exposure.

 

[nooB]

Youve been listening to Ryan Phelan too much.

Having Foxtel involved in AFL is a positive, not a negative. Its not like every bloody game is going to be shown on Foxtel. I bet you'd be the first to whinge if a Bulldogs game isnt on FTA for you to watch too.

No, cause A i just go toa mate's house who lives 10 minutes away or i go to the pub which is only 4 minutes away - I just dont see why Foxtel should sqeeze the juice out of us when we can get the games for free - simple. Like i said, i could care less if the game is live or delayed - as long as i havent seen the game or know the result, its all new stuff to me.

 

[VanBerlo=God]

Youve been listening to Ryan Phelan too much.

Having Foxtel involved in AFL is a positive, not a negative. Its not like every bloody game is going to be shown on Foxtel. I bet you'd be the first to whinge if a Bulldogs game isnt on FTA for you to watch too.

macca, wbdog's games are always on fta, they are filler games

foxtel = 4 games = extremely bad, yeah what, 1 game friday, 2 games saturday, 1 game friday? no thanks, not going to pay $55/$60/m to watch one channel that will be littered with sh1t.

So telecasts into the northern states will change, so what, its not like you get much live on TV anyway, you wouldn't get anything on friday night because of the RL, and whenever that crap is on afl isn't & wasn't.

look at it from this perspective:
would the afl fans rather wait till midnight to watch it on fta, pay $60/m to watch it live, or wait till next year, and watch it live/30m delayed in nsw/qld for the price of electricity to run their tv's?

victoria its going to be great, games all the time, for non-sports fans, they can get foxtel and watch all the useless channels.

its not a matter of whether you like the provider or not, its a matter of the service. $60/m to watch a few shows and movies that come out 2 years later than they do on dvd that you can rent & burn for a fraction of the cost, and can watch 100x more times in a month than you can on paytv? choose.
you want to pay $30 for the basic package while appeals to boring and nature loving people only who want to watch the weather channel 24x7 and then another $20-$20 on top just to watch some footy, or would you rather get an afl membership, and go to the mcg 4 times a weekend and watch games live for probably a similar cost for pay tv over a 4 month period?

so far, the service is one-dimensional, you pay extra for digital, you had to obtain a new box, it comes packaged with tv only, no options for internet based solutions or telecommunications.

$60/m can get you iinet adsl 2+ with voip bundle (24000+kbps) with a 60gb cap, and you can stream all the games, or $60 for maybe a half-dozen shows you enjoy.

its choice, but do you want your favorite games on the paytv? do you want all of your teams matches on paytv? would you like to pay money this season just to watch your team play when you never had to?

screw profits or losses, its consumer choice, foxtel know they are busted with out it, they have known it for ages, and congratulations if you have foxtel, you rich people you, go rent a dvd, download a torrent, play with urself in teh corner, whatever, 8 games a week is better than 4.

and no there won't be WLF, on the couch, grumpy old ****s or any shows like those that were on crapfootychannel over the last 5 years.

 

[nooB]

macca, wbdog's games are always on fta, they are filler games

foxtel = 4 games = extremely bad, yeah what, 1 game friday, 2 games saturday, 1 game friday? no thanks, not going to pay $55/$60/m to watch one channel that will be littered with sh1t.

So telecasts into the northern states will change, so what, its not like you get much live on TV anyway, you wouldn't get anything on friday night because of the RL, and whenever that crap is on afl isn't & wasn't.

look at it from this perspective:
would the afl fans rather wait till midnight to watch it on fta, pay $60/m to watch it live, or wait till next year, and watch it live/30m delayed in nsw/qld for the price of electricity to run their tv's?

victoria its going to be great, games all the time, for non-sports fans, they can get foxtel and watch all the useless channels.

its not a matter of whether you like the provider or not, its a matter of the service. $60/m to watch a few shows and movies that come out 2 years later than they do on dvd that you can rent & burn for a fraction of the cost, and can watch 100x more times in a month than you can on paytv? choose.
you want to pay $30 for the basic package while appeals to boring and nature loving people only who want to watch the weather channel 24x7 and then another $20-$20 on top just to watch some footy, or would you rather get an afl membership, and go to the mcg 4 times a weekend and watch games live for probably a similar cost for pay tv over a 4 month period?

so far, the service is one-dimensional, you pay extra for digital, you had to obtain a new box, it comes packaged with tv only, no options for internet based solutions or telecommunications.

$60/m can get you iinet adsl 2+ with voip bundle (24000+kbps) with a 60gb cap, and you can stream all the games, or $60 for maybe a half-dozen shows you enjoy.

its choice, but do you want your favorite games on the paytv? do you want all of your teams matches on paytv? would you like to pay money this season just to watch your team play when you never had to?

screw profits or losses, its consumer choice, foxtel know they are busted with out it, they have known it for ages, and congratulations if you have foxtel, you rich people you, go rent a dvd, download a torrent, play with urself in teh corner, whatever, 8 games a week is better than 4.

and no there won't be WLF, on the couch, grumpy old ****s or any shows like those that were on crapfootychannel over the last 5 years.

Well said, what are you for though?

 

[VanBerlo=God]

Well said, what are you for though?

burn paytv to the ground, tie it up, and piss on it.

had it, hated it, never have it again, download everything, and football is the only thing i watch on tv, and would definitely not pay $60 a month to get it. as it is, you have to even pay for a satellite (sometimes). and all the installation fees which are bogus and crap.

$5/m electricity bill, or $60(setup/+$99/199+$99)/m?

ill take the electricity thanks
vcr's still work great, so do dvd recorders, wow i have digital foxtel, i can "record crappy shows"

 

[nooB]

burn paytv to the ground, tie it up, and piss on it.

had it, hated it, never have it again, download everything, and football is the only thing i watch on tv, and would definitely not pay $60 a month to get it. as it is, you have to even pay for a satellite (sometimes). and all the installation fees which are bogus and crap.

$5/m electricity bill, or $60(setup/+$99/199+$99)/m?

ill take the electricity thanks
vcr's still work great, so do dvd recorders, wow i have digital foxtel, i can "record crappy shows"

LMFAO, ah geez, though a few will disagree with you. Where exactly do you download your AFL games from? aflvideo.cjb.net is gone though the peeps normally get it from aussietorrents.com - no classic games though

 

[eddiesmith]

Very happy for all 8 games on FTA as Fox doesnt need AFL to fill Fox Sports 3, whilst many people complain about FTA not showing everything they have rights to, Fox are no different. During winter they struggle to cover everything live especially on weekends, FS 3 will be full without AFL coverage and if they got the AFL it would be back to the same problems of things not getting covered or chopped up because they now have 3 footy codes to show live at the same time

 

[DyerBolical]

Paul Collingwood

He has'nt played us yet, his average will be lucky to be 20 over the Ashes series.

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

If I remember correctly, take up of Foxtel in Australia is only 25%. New Zealand has had it for around 5-10 years more and their take up is 67%. Maybe Australians don't want to pay to watch sport and unlike in other countries, the FTA coverage is good.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

I don't see that this will help all the viewers in the NT if no deal is arranged with any other broadcaster (FTA or Foxtel). We only have two commercial stations 9 & Southern Cross (7/10). Surely Southern Cross will not show all 8 games each week. I hope for our sake some deal is arranged or AFL coverage up here will go backwards next year.

Same in Tas, with WIN (Nine) and Southern Cross (7/10).
I can imagine Southern Cross showing all 8 games in Tas though, even if that means some 1am Sunday and Monday morning games.
Of course, depending on the actual terms of the contracts there is probably nothing actually stopping WIN; or other regionals who are normally Nine affiliates; from buying one or two games a week from Seven or Ten.
In NSW and Qld they (WIN, NBN, etc) aren't likely to want to do that though.

In the end a deal will be done and Fox will get some games, ideally none will be exclusive (though some will be exclusively live) and FTA can show a late replay of games they can't fit into their normal schedule.

 

[mediumsizered]

If I remember correctly, take up of Foxtel in Australia is only 25%. New Zealand has had it for around 5-10 years more and their take up is 67%. Maybe Australians don't want to pay to watch sport and unlike in other countries, the FTA coverage is good.

Do they have anti-siphoning laws in NZ? The anti-siphoning laws in Australia are the only thing holding back pay tv take up in Australia, IMO. I would think if the upcoming Ashes series was exclusive to Foxtel instead of being on 9, there would be a rush on Foxtel subscriptions. The same obviously goes for AFL.

 

[Big Ted]

I think its fair to say that fans outside of Vic, SA and WA are extremly concerned about this.

The AFL knows this, the AFL is pushing into the Northern States in a bigger way. Surely they will not let this come to pass.

For those of you out there who think all 8 games will be shown on FTA, it isn't plausable.

 

[GoBackToVFL]

I think its fair to say that fans outside of Vic, SA and WA are extremly concerned about this.

The AFL knows this, the AFL is pushing into the Northern States in a bigger way. Surely they will not let this come to pass.

For those of you out there who think all 8 games will be shown on FTA, it isn't plausable.

you are typical of the pro foxtel side in this argument; ill informed and scaremongering.

please educate yourself on this issue before posting such ignorant crap. i suggest reading this thread for starters

 

[raikkonen]

LMFAO, ah geez, though a few will disagree with you. Where exactly do you download your AFL games from? aflvideo.cjb.net is gone though the peeps normally get it from aussietorrents.com - no classic games though

Bigpond members get to watch any game for free (its unmetered), only 24 hours after the game is finished, and any game that has been played basically since 2000/1. Beats foxtel, its on when u want, you can pause it, no commercials at all. Ive already said my piece on this in the crows board (they were all having a bitch about my opinion, which is btw 200% against foxtel...) so i wont be saying any more.

 

[Adam BK]

The quality is absolutely $hiteeeee though. They need to offer a higher quality stream.

 

[goDees22]

They wouldn't have brought Fox 3 along if they weren't gonna get footy. I see in November they have replays of 2006 games on FS3. They better bloody get it, hopefully they still have active, people without fox dont know what theyre missing

 

[Rob]

They didn't nearly offer double and the 4 games would've been better quality.

Yes they did, but in any case i'm sure you'll agree it was a substantial increase to what they were paying in 2006.

They were losing money on Fox Footy. Fact.

So where's the source? I know Foxtel as a whole made a profit last year, I think their first. Now how do you differentiate Foxtel and Fox Footy? If they wanted FFC to show as making a loss, then they just reduce the royalties Foxtel pay Fox Footy. If you want to show them making a profit, you do the opposite. It's just going from one bucket to another.
If Fox Footy made an accounting loss, then it's because Foxtel wanted them to. The reality is that it doesn't do Foxtel any good for FFC to show a profit, because it means the AFL know that they can get more out of them next time. But where's the logic in offering substantially more money for a product that is already making a loss?

 

[Eagle87]

Bigpond members get to watch any game for free (its unmetered), only 24 hours after the game is finished, and any game that has been played basically since 2000/1. Beats foxtel, its on when u want, you can pause it, no commercials at all. Ive already said my piece on this in the crows board (they were all having a bitch about my opinion, which is btw 200% against foxtel...) so i wont be saying any more.

So its ok to restrict access to BigPond customers who strangely PAY to be members but its bad to pay Foxtel for a whole heap of content including footy?

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E ...

 

[Phil McCrackin]

so everyone who gives a stuff about football have to pay $60 a month just so a handfull of expatriot melbournians can watch it instead of iron chef. yeah right.

you'll get 8 games for free and friday and saturday will be live. pretty good for a rugby state

Utter moron.

 

[_RT_]

To those complaining about paying for Foxtel just to watch the footy you are seriously in need of help. If you are getting/weregoing to get/have got Foxtel just for the AFL then don't complain about the price they are charging you. You are the one who decides whether you want it or not. No-one is forcing you to get it. Most people I know get Foxtel for the other stations and having the AFL is seen as a bonus. I tell you what if you were in America and liked to watch the Baseball, NFL, NBA, NHL or even Nascar you would have to get PayTV, yet here we have at present most of the AFL FTA, the Cricket during summer,the V8's, Grand Slam tennis, the World Cup soccer, the Olympics, Comm Games, and swimming titles but not much else really. The EPL, the NBL, the Soccer, Horse Racing(except Spring Carnival), Motorbikes and a host of other sports are only really available on FTA, yet, FTA are the ones that push for the sports like AFL to be kept on their stations only yet they can choose to show games on delay, late night replays(if 7/10 show all 8 nest year) and there is nothing we can do about it.

Or so they think.

Imagine the response you/us the public would get if we all stopped watching their delayed games, stopped watching the replays, stopped watching their live broadcasts and they had no viewers. With no viewers they would not get sponsors/advertisers, with no advertisers they would not be able to afford to buy the rights to show the AFL and then just have the fixture set up so that highly rated teams will be given the prime time viewing spots. You see it is us the fan that had the ULTIMATE control over the FTA stations & PayTV. Yet we are too scared to exercise that right we have. We should be demanding the 7/10 union shows all 8 games live or within 1 hour of the game starting. Why should fans of struggling sides be forced to sit up until 11pm Sunday night to watch a replay of their sides Sunday afternoon game? Why should fans have to sit up until 1am Sunday morning to watch replays of their sides Saturday afternoon game? We should not the FTA stations paid to have the rights to show the games. Well the show the Bloody things at a time when the fans of all sides can see them. If that means on Saturday night that 7 has to put a game up against 10 then too bad for them. You want to be stubborn and force the only real outlet you have to off load games to pay an huge amount to take 4 games off your hands, because you failed to realise that you could not reasonably show the games that you brought to the fans then too bloody bad. You made the mess, You clean it up.