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Kwality said:
Sadly its true, rare animals we Subi supporters ... good to see those garlic munchers putting the off field mess aside on field.

Think Subi :thumbsu:
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Not that hard to do really considering the WAFC are paying the players wages in an unprecedented move....I wonder what all the other WAFL clubs struggling along from week to week paying off their bills must think of that?
 
Spearhead said:
Not that hard to do really considering the WAFC are paying the players wages in an unprecedented move....I wonder what all the other WAFL clubs struggling along from week to week paying off their bills must think of that?
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Given the alternative, which also affects them hugely, probably not what you seem to think. Even if you are right, so what? Its not their money.
 
jatz14 said:
Given the alternative, which also affects them hugely, probably not what you seem to think. Even if you are right, so what? Its not their money.
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Its not WP money either!
So you think walking away from your debts, leaving creditors out of pocket including taxpayers (Venues West, ATO) and the WAFC paying the clubs players and staff wages (more than likely at the expense of grass roots funding) is fair to the other WAFL clubs????
 

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Spearhead said:
Its not WP money either!
So you think walking away from your debts, leaving creditors out of pocket including taxpayers (Venues West, ATO) and the WAFC paying the clubs players and staff wages (more than likely at the expense of grass roots funding) is fair to the other WAFL clubs????
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How does it affect them one way or another, other than keeping a traditional team in the game? West Perth fans, if they fold, are not switching teams in the main, they are just dropping the WAFL altogether.

Is it fair on the other teams if their comp becomes less viable, when the WAFC could have stopped it, but didn't.

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andana said:
Joondalup drop out there will be no more byes. Better for the comp. Fans more likely to stay involved if their team plays every week. One week at home next week away not the dud system they run now.
It's a low act to weasel out of your debts.
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Receivership? I am not sure you know what that means. It means Falcons finances were taken out of their hands and put into the hands of external administrators, these are the people that decide what to do with the debt, and one of the options they considered is folding the club.

It also saw the board replaced.

So if taking an action out of necessity that will see you removed from office, and external people decide whether to fold your club or not is weaseling, then yep, they weaseled out of it.

You should also actually check with officials of other clubs what their preferred outcome would have been, you may find the answer informative.

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jatz14 said:
Receivership? I am not sure you know what that means. It means Falcons finances were taken out of their hands and put into the hands of external administrators, these are the people that decide what to do with the debt, and one of the options they considered is folding the club.

It also saw the board replaced.

So if taking an action out of necessity that will see you removed from office, and external people decide whether to fold your club or not is weaseling, then yep, they weaseled out of it.

You should also actually check with officials of other clubs what their preferred outcome would have been, you may find the answer informative.

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If WP players knew in January they would not be paid for the 2018 season do you really think they would have hung around??????
They would have walked out on mass....they are playing in a GF on false pretences.
I am sure all other real WAFL clubs would love to have their player and staff payments paid by the WAFC next year and beyond!
The WPFC have to be sanctioned next year and beyond for their deceitfulness with loss of points for 2019 (a la North Adelaide in the SANFL), salary cap reductions, player point reductions, no recruiting outside of their zone etc if the WAFC are actually fair dinkum otherwise every other WAFL club should just do the same as WP this year and make a total utter farce of the comp!
 
Spearhead said:
If WP players knew in January they would not be paid for the 2018 season do you really think they would have hung around??????
They would have walked out on mass....they are playing in a GF on false pretences.
I am sure all other real WAFL clubs would love to have their player and staff payments paid by the WAFC next year and beyond!
The WPFC have to be sanctioned next year and beyond for their deceitfulness with loss of points for 2019 (a la North Adelaide in the SANFL), salary cap reductions, player point reductions, no recruiting outside of their zone etc if the WAFC are actually fair dinkum otherwise every other WAFL club should just do the same as WP this year and make a total utter farce of the comp!
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But if they did that they would never be able to put a competitive team on the park, and they would have to close sooner or later through lack of interest from supporters and sponsors.
 
Spearhead said:
If WP players knew in January they would not be paid for the 2018 season do you really think they would have hung around??????
They would have walked out on mass....they are playing in a GF on false pretences.
I am sure all other real WAFL clubs would love to have their player and staff payments paid by the WAFC next year and beyond!
The WPFC have to be sanctioned next year and beyond for their deceitfulness with loss of points for 2019 (a la North Adelaide in the SANFL), salary cap reductions, player point reductions, no recruiting outside of their zone etc if the WAFC are actually fair dinkum otherwise every other WAFL club should just do the same as WP this year and make a total utter farce of the comp!
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Your saying other clubs should go into receivership, and hope the receivers don't wind up the club? In the hope that if the club survives, they can stiff their players.

Righto then.

You realise the president that created the mess is gone, the president and board that inherited it are gone. The club is now run by the appointees of the WAFC. So you are advocating the WAFC punish the people it appointed, and make the job it appointed them to do almost impossible?

I am guessing, that before being appointed, these people got some assurance from the WAFC on their intentions regarding the club, I would also hazard a guess that the assurances involved not doing anything like you have suggested.

Or is it your intent to punish the players and fans who had nothing to do with it.


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Sorry off the conversation has moved on since Friday/Saturday with wa 3rd team.

There is only 1 way I can see a 3rd team working.
It’s not location, it’s price.

I think ticket prices in adelaide are high, but apparently Perth is even higher than that?!?!?!

If a 3rd team goes the path of say port Adelaide with ticket prices and Atlanta Falcons with concession prices, you could drag a lot of people in and convert them.

If prices are HALF what you pay for Fremantle and west coast for tickets, food, beer, etc. you’d attract a few

But if you’re not going that route, there’s no realistic option anywhere where footy is primarily based. No 3wa, 3sa, 3syd. Nothing
 
jatz14 said:
Your saying other clubs should go into receivership, and hope the receivers don't wind up the club? In the hope that if the club survives, they can stiff their players.

Righto then.

You realise the president that created the mess is gone, the president and board that inherited it are gone. The club is now run by the appointees of the WAFC. So you are advocating the WAFC punish the people it appointed, and make the job it appointed them to do almost impossible?

I am guessing, that before being appointed, these people got some assurance from the WAFC on their intentions regarding the club, I would also hazard a guess that the assurances involved not doing anything like you have suggested.

Or is it your intent to punish the players and fans who had nothing to do with it.


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The ex President is unbelievably on the newly appointed board again actually!
The bloke headhunted by the WAFC to take up the Presidency has shall we say an interesting past...but is a Labor bloke through and through!
Are you suggesting the WPFC in effect have no sanctions or consequences placed on them for the inept mess they themselves created other than a change of board members? Whoopy do!
You do realise the WPFC members voted that inept board in the first place? Couldnt care less about their supporters tbh!
What must the supporters of SD, Perth, EF, SF, CL think of all of this who receive virtually no help whatsoever from the WAFC but go about running their ship on the smell of an oily rag spending only what they have....I know most clubs are seething over the whole debacle!
 
Spearhead said:
The ex President is unbelievably on the newly appointed board again actually!
The bloke headhunted by the WAFC to take up the Presidency has shall we say an interesting past...but is a Labor bloke through and through!
Are you suggesting the WPFC in effect have no sanctions or consequences placed on them for the inept mess they themselves created other than a change of board members? Whoopy do!
You do realise the WPFC members voted that inept board in the first place? Couldnt care less about their supporters tbh!
What must the supporters of SD, Perth, EF, SF, CL think of all of this who receive virtually no help whatsoever from the WAFC but go about running their ship on the smell of an oily rag spending only what they have....I know most clubs are seething over the whole debacle!
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I am sure they are seething, its bad for WA footy, but the WAFC is putting money in to keep it afloat, and every measure you have suggested makes keeping it afloat harder. It would be like putting out a fire by pouring petrol on it. I am sure clubs begrudge every dollar spent on West Perth, this doesn't mean they see the alternative of letting it fold as better, and it doesn't mean they would like to see even more money spent on them to keep them afloat, just to counteract the negative affect of punitive measures.

I am pretty sure going to the public cap in hand effectively begging for money, knowing the club could go under at any moment, has driven the point home to West Perth, and every other WAFL club.

Further punishment serves no purpose other than self defeating vindictiveness.
 

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Dirty Bird said:
Sorry off the conversation has moved on since Friday/Saturday with wa 3rd team.

There is only 1 way I can see a 3rd team working.
It’s not location, it’s price.

I think ticket prices in adelaide are high, but apparently Perth is even higher than that?!?!?!

If a 3rd team goes the path of say port Adelaide with ticket prices and Atlanta Falcons with concession prices, you could drag a lot of people in and convert them.

If prices are HALF what you pay for Fremantle and west coast for tickets, food, beer, etc. you’d attract a few

But if you’re not going that route, there’s no realistic option anywhere where footy is primarily based. No 3wa, 3sa, 3syd. Nothing
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I can't see that working. How is the club going to make money? They still have to hire the venue.

For Optus Stadium in Perth the break-even point is somewhere in the low-mid 30K. The Dockers apparently made a loss on the game they bought from Gold Coast which got a crowd of around 33K (albeit they had to pay extra to AFL/Gold Coast on top of the stadium hire fee). They tried heavily discounted tickets ($25 each) in the week or so leading up to the game to draw interest from casual footy fans, but still got way less than a normal home crowd.

I can't see it working as a long term venture. Unless they managed to get a sweetheart deal on stadium hire from the state government, but then the other clubs would want that too.
 
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Admiral Byng said:
I can't see that working. How is the club going to make money? They still have to hire the venue.

For Optus Stadium in Perth the break-even point is somewhere in the low-mid 30K. The Dockers apparently made a loss on the game they bought from Gold Coast which got a crowd of around 33K (albeit they had to pay extra to AFL/Gold Coast on top of the stadium hire fee). They tried heavily discounted tickets ($25 each) in the week or so leading up to the game to draw interest from casual footy fans, but satill got way less than a normal home crowd.
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In all fairness, that was a sensational crowd given everyone had to buy a ticket. The Suns have only played in front of more people 15 times, of which 3 were in Victoria (the home of the cheap membership).

But your point stands, the club would go broke without GWS style funding arrangements if the business plan is low crowds with cheap tickets.
Optus Stadium would probably be the most expensive stadium to operate by some margin. When you go you can't help but notice the sheer number of staff employed to do the most menial of tasks deemed necessary.
FFS, they still insist on employing people to simply hold up signs near the train station at the end of the game directing people to the right line, despite the electronic signs clearly displayed out the front of the station saying exactly the same thing. There's probably 30 people whose sole job is to open a gate once every few minutes. Someone's paying for it, and unless you're lucky enough to be a foreign soccer club it's the tenant.
 
Spearhead said:
The ex President is unbelievably on the newly appointed board again actually!
The bloke headhunted by the WAFC to take up the Presidency has shall we say an interesting past...but is a Labor bloke through and through!
Are you suggesting the WPFC in effect have no sanctions or consequences placed on them for the inept mess they themselves created other than a change of board members? Whoopy do!
You do realise the WPFC members voted that inept board in the first place? Couldnt care less about their supporters tbh!
What must the supporters of SD, Perth, EF, SF, CL think of all of this who receive virtually no help whatsoever from the WAFC but go about running their ship on the smell of an oily rag spending only what they have....I know most clubs are seething over the whole debacle!
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With all due respect the amount of money that the West perth football club has poured into the coffers of WA footy over 130 years the WAFC should of paid the debts. Said thank you and moved on.
Your comment that certain clubs get nothing is not correct as all clubs get the exact same except the two aligned clubs. The WAFC have provided WP a loan which they must pay back of 250k, the WAFC gave Peel 400k just 10 years ago and did not have to pay it back. Who has done more for WA footy? West Perth or Peel?

What sanctions do you want? And if the other clubs want a loan from the WAFC I am sure they could get one.
 
Not sure if a similar video has been posted before but yesterday found this one from a couple of weeks ago promoting the hospitality facilities you could buy for the WAFL GF.

 
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RussellEbertHandball said:
Not sure if a similar video has been posted before but yesterday found this one from a couple of weeks ago promoting the hospitality facilities you could by for the WAFL GF.

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It's a shame the MCG and Docklands don't have outdoor corporate boxes like Optus Stadium does (and Adelaide Oval, Kardinia Park, ANZ Stadium, SCG and even Subi had outdoor corporate boxes), the fully indoor boxes disconnect patrons from the atmosphere I've noticed
 
Am I the only who has noticed the Optus Stadium is really slippery? QF against WC and Coll it was raining before hand so it made sense but I was rewatching the WC vs Melb Prelim and everyone was slipping over on what was apparently a bright and sunny day. Could it be to do with the quality of the grass as it is 'not worn in'?
 
magpienato said:
Am I the only who has noticed the Optus Stadium is really slippery? QF against WC and Coll it was raining before hand so it made sense but I was rewatching the WC vs Melb Prelim and everyone was slipping over on what was apparently a bright and sunny day. Could it be to do with the quality of the grass as it is 'not worn in'?
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I thought I saw a bit of water on the grass for the QF and thought they must have watered this close to game time to stop the comments that the surface is too hard. If they also did this for the PF, then that makes some sense as to why it was so slippery for both night and day game.
 

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