Phar Lap v Makybe Diva

[Lenny*]

I still think Might And Power is the best horse Ive seen.

 

[Deej]

Thats why I got a little irrated and that a few people had complain about the track because it hindered certain horses preformances which in otherwords they only watered the track for Makybe Diva. This is compleletly wrong, they are even going to water the track today if it didnt rain so they didnt just do it for the Melbourne Cup they did it because the ground was going to be rock solid.
Why cant ALL people just except that she won fair and square and that she is the best mare not only today but in history. I believe retireing her now was a good idea although she is showing that she has a lot more in her. However, shes got nothing more to prove.

It makes you irrate that people say they only watered the track for her? Well you'd better get irrate again, because that's exactly what i think happened. And i think 'watered' is too light a word, more like DRENCHED, that'd be a better word. 32degs, 25 the day before, good track saturday with only 3mls rain sunday, and they post the track up as bloody DEAD??????

John Hawkes, Australia's BIGGEST trainer, yes bigger than the arrogant wan#er freedman, called it a joke and the 'Makybe Cup'. Gai Waterhouse, who also trains more horses than freedman, went off tap too, saying the track was 'doctored' and the VRC had pandered to the internationals and makybe diva.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/horse...gai-still-angry/2005/11/02/1130823282758.html

But of course the dwarf twerp glen boss had to have his say, "They were never going to beat her yesterday," Boss said. "I don't care if it was rock-hard there yesterday, she was out there to win the race. She would have broken the record for two miles (3200 metres) there if she had to."

HAHAHAHAHAA - we're all monday's expert aren't we glenny? You'd fit right in here at bigfooty you would. Twit.

Makybe Diva's win was sensational, but it's just a pity it has been tainted by the VRC's pandering to her and her loudmouthed connections who disgracefully used public sentiment and emotional blackmail to pressure the VRC into doing everything they could to help Makybe Diva win on tuesday. 30 years ago she'd have been handicapped 64kgs and the track had've been good to fast and she'd have had no hope - but hey people THAT'S WHAT HANDICAPPING IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT!!!!!!

Better than Phar Lap - PFFT GIVE ME A BREAK. She's not fit to lace Phar Lap's boots. A more apt comparison would be Wakeful, and even then she comes up short.

Wakeful vs Makybe Diva, let the discussions begin if you want to be credible. But anyone who starts up the Phar Lap comparisons is either working in the media and filling time, or has a vested interest ie freedman, santic, boss et al, or more likely they are once a year lemming twits who get conned by hype and glitzy razzamatazz, and are likely the same fools who were calling Lonhro better than Sunline and Northerly and the best since KT only 2 years ago.

 

[bresker]

Times have changed. There's no comparison. Racing was a completely different affair in the 1930s. It was run by powerful owners and influenced by criminal SP bookies. No-one cared about mistreating the horses as long as they got the right result.

For winning 3 in a row, Makybe Diva will have a special place in racing history and in the nation's hearts. I'd compare her to Red Rum, the English hurdler who won 3 Grand Nationals. Not that she'd beat him in a jumps race - but because of her unique achievement.

http://www.equinenet.org/heroes/redrum.html

 

[cats56]

Better than Phar Lap - PFFT GIVE ME A BREAK. She's not fit to lace Phar Lap's boots. A more apt comparison would be Wakeful, and even then she comes up short.

You just do not have any idea do you Deej!

It makes me laugh people like you who have had probably no direct involvement in horse racing making such ludicrous statements.

Makybe Diva is so superior to Phar Lap that it is just not funny yet you do not have the intelligence to comprehend this.

This era of racehorses is so superior to yesteryear. It is amazing how easily simple people are fooled by propaganda of yesterday.

What will be your next statement. That Jack Titus (all 175cms.66 kg.of him) was superior to Tony Locket! That M.Kiyokawa of Japan who won the 1932 Olympic swimming 1500m in 19m. 12.4sec. would beat Grant Hackett's 14 & 1/2 minutes!.

The Australian breeding industry has improved 100% over that time. Makybe Diva has beaten class horses. Phar Lap mainly 2nd raters. There is simply no comparison. Makybe by a conservative 10 lengths!

 

[demon21]

It makes me laugh people like you who have had probably no direct involvement in horse racing making such ludicrous statements.

Makybe Diva is so superior to Phar Lap that it is just not funny yet you do not have the intelligence to comprehend this.

This era of racehorses is so superior to yesteryear. It is amazing how easily simple people are fooled by propaganda of yesterday.

What will be your next statement. That Jack Titus (all 175cms.66 kg.of him) was superior to Tony Locket! That M.Kiyokawa of Japan who won the 1932 Olympic swimming 1500m in 19m. 12.4sec. would beat Grant Hackett's 14 & 1/2 minutes!.

The Australian breeding industry has improved 100% over that time. Makybe Diva has beaten class horses. Phar Lap mainly 2nd raters. There is simply no comparison. Makybe by a conservative 10 lengths!

Well some people might say Makybe won a few racers with a weak feild. So what u are saying then is that Bradman shouldnt be the best cricketer to have played the game then cause that was in the past and cricket has moved on since then. All i know is that Phar Lap is the best horse Aus has every had.

 

[cats56]

Well some people might say Makybe won a few racers with a weak feild. So what u are saying then is that Bradman shouldnt be the best cricketer to have played the game then cause that was in the past and cricket has moved on since then. All i know is that Phar Lap is the best horse Aus has every had.

And you'd know!

 

[demon21]

And you'd know!

Well no i dont know but that is my thoughts. What u know that that phar Lap raced against 2nd raters do u.

 

[cats56]

Well some people might say Makybe won a few racers with a weak feild. So what u are saying then is that Bradman shouldnt be the best cricketer to have played the game then cause that was in the past and cricket has moved on since then. All i know is that Phar Lap is the best horse Aus has every had.

Where is my reference to Bradman?

 

[cats56]

Well no i dont know but that is my thoughts. What u know that that phar Lap raced against 2nd raters do u.

Yes i agree you don't know. How many years have you been involved in horse racing on a professional basis?

 

[demon21]

Where is my reference to Bradman?



Well u was saying how racing is so superior now to what it was to the 1930's
that is the same in all sports Cricket,Football have improved since then. So im just asking u cause Bradman Played in the 40's and cricket has improved since then should he still be rated as the best crickter to play the game.

 

[demon21]

Yes i agree you don't know. How many years have you been involved in horse racing on a professional basis?

Whats that go to do with it so it all right for u to say that Makybe would beat Phar Lap but no one can say that Phar Lap is a better horse than Makybe. Phar Laps record speaks for itself.

 

[cats56]

Whats that go to do with it so it all right for u to say that Makybe would beat Phar Lap but no one can say that Phar Lap is a better horse than Makybe. Phar Laps record speaks for itself.

It has everything to do with it! I have had just on 32 years professional involvement in horse racing (plus many years before working) so i think i have a reasonable knowledge.

 

[demon21]

It has everything to do with it! I have had just on 32 years professional involvement in horse racing (plus many years before working) so i think i have a reasonable knowledge.

Well good for u everyone has there thoughts on the matter.

 

[Rumbo]

It has everything to do with it! I have had just on 32 years professional involvement in horse racing (plus many years before working) so i think i have a reasonable knowledge.

I would be interested in your opinion of your ten top horses.

 

[Deej]

Better than Phar Lap - PFFT GIVE ME A BREAK. She's not fit to lace Phar Lap's boots. A more apt comparison would be Wakeful, and even then she comes up short.

You just do not have any idea do you Deej!

It makes me laugh people like you who have had probably no direct involvement in horse racing making such ludicrous statements.

Makybe Diva is so superior to Phar Lap that it is just not funny yet you do not have the intelligence to comprehend this.

This era of racehorses is so superior to yesteryear. It is amazing how easily simple people are fooled by propaganda of yesterday.

What will be your next statement. That Jack Titus (all 175cms.66 kg.of him) was superior to Tony Locket! That M.Kiyokawa of Japan who won the 1932 Olympic swimming 1500m in 19m. 12.4sec. would beat Grant Hackett's 14 & 1/2 minutes!.

The Australian breeding industry has improved 100% over that time. Makybe Diva has beaten class horses. Phar Lap mainly 2nd raters. There is simply no comparison. Makybe by a conservative 10 lengths!

It is a reflection on your megre brain power that you would even try to suggest there should be literal comparisons between the horses.

On that basis Jack Nickless wouldn't even make the cut at most modern day majors.

 

[cats56]

It is a reflection on your megre brain power that you would even try to suggest there should be literal comparisons between the horses.

On that basis Jack Nickless wouldn't even make the cut at most modern day majors.

Deej, you have just proved once again what an absolute moron you are.

You were the one who started making the comparison that Makybe wouldn't be fit to tie Phar lap's bootlaces! I would say from your obvious incompetence that you have not had even 1% of my involvement in thoroughbred horse racing.

Now go back to your PubTab and cry into your beer when you've backed another loser.

 

[Deej]

Deej, you have just proved once again what an absolute moron you are.

You were the one who started making the comparison that Makybe wouldn't be fit to tie Phar lap's bootlaces! I would say from your obvious incompetence that you have not had even 1% of my involvement in thoroughbred horse racing.

Now go back to your PubTab and cry into your beer when you've backed another loser.

I have no problem repeating she is not fit to lace his boots based on their respective race records. To compare times is futile, as track conditions, training, feed etc has improved ten fold since the days of Kingston Town let alone Phar Lap. So you need to compare based on race records, given all horses race under similar conditions in any given era i'd say that's a fair and unbiased way of comparison.

Phar Lap's race record is better than Makybe Diva's race record, it's as simple as that. Feat's like his 4 wins in Melbourne Cup week have never been acheived before or since and as such wipe out the inferior opposition arguement. If his success were due to inferior opposition then other horse's would've done the same somewhere along the track. They haven't.

It disappoints me that a man of your age and experience can be so disrespectful and dismissive of past greats of the turf. Maybe age has made your brain like a siv? Fading memory and all that?

 

[cats56]

I have no problem repeating she is not fit to lace his boots based on their respective race records. To compare times is futile, as track conditions, training, feed etc has improved ten fold since the days of Kingston Town let alone Phar Lap. So you need to compare based on race records, given all horses race under similar conditions in any given era i'd say that's a fair and unbiased way of comparison.

Phar Lap's race record is better than Makybe Diva's race record, it's as simple as that. Feat's like his 4 wins in Melbourne Cup week have never been acheived before or since and as such wipe out the inferior opposition arguement. If his success were due to inferior opposition then other horse's would've done the same somewhere along the track. They haven't.

It disappoints me that a man of your age and experience can be so disrespectful and dismissive of past greats of the turf. Maybe age has made your brain like a siv? Fading memory and all that?

So nothing's improved in the last 75 years? By your comments racing has gone backwards since Phar Lap died. Just how dumb are you?

The current racehorses are now so much better bred in our hemisphere that our standard of racing is now world class. With the great imported blood which we now have access too Northern Dancer lines, Sir Tristram etc. our horses are now superior in 2 most important areas ; Class and turn of foot. But a simpleton like you would not have the mental capacity to comprehend this. Makybe is bred from strong imported lines.

The Melbourne Cup is now won by class racehorses with turn of foot. Just witness Makybe explode in her Melbourne Cup wins. The plodding stayer of yesteryear would not be in the same race.

I understand that the world is made up of intellegent people like me and unfortunately stupid people like you but you just have to make the most with what you have got. I hope some of this has sunk through into that tiny little thing you call a brain. Do everyone a favour and refrain from posting your idiotic remarks on here.

 

[Deej]

Where did i say our breeding lines hadn't improved?

Gee, and you wrote all that based on me not thinking our breeding had improved.

And for that i'm subject to (i counted 7) personal insults and abuse!

 

[cats56]

Where did i say our breeding lines hadn't improved?

Gee, and you wrote all that based on me not thinking our breeding had improved.

And for that i'm subject to (i counted 7) personal insults and abuse!

Finally a little bit of sense out you. Maybe the penny has dropped.

 

[Deej]

Finally a little bit of sense out you. Maybe the penny has dropped.

Penny dropped? HA. I agree, but possibly not for me mate.

You need to read and think a bit before you post. Admittedly I don't always do that either, although i have in this post.

One little bit of advice, not everyone is 18yo and wet behind the ears like you may think. Some might actually be genuine racing fans, have iq's of over 150, they might've travelled to over 60 countries the world over, and might be self made millionaires going skyward all at the age of 34. Ever consider that old fella?

Or maybe what you need to do is define your use of the words moron, idiotic, tiny brain et al.

They say wisdom comes with age, i think you've just given good reason for me to think that that saying is absolute horsesh#t. (pardon the pun)

 

[cats56]

I would be interested in your opinion of your ten top horses.

Thanks Rumbo but i think it is virtually impossible to do with so many variables involved different distances, horse can't handle wet, break down etc.

We have been fortunate that we are now witnessing a quality of horse here now that is generally world class. The horses racing now are superior to yesteryears so it would be heavily weighted in their favour.

FWIW Makybe Diva, Might & Power (won Melb. Cup on class alone,beating a superb stayer in Doriemus, Cox Plate, breathtaking Caul.Cup. win, unfortunately injured). Northerly, Sunline, Better Loosen Up, Let's Elope, Kingston Town, Saintly & Dulcify ( both unfortunately injured), Manikato, Placid Ark, Vain, Tobin Bronze are just some that have sent shivers down the spine.

A few personal fav's (not top 10) were the superbly versatile Super Impose and Shaftesbury Avenue (sadly underrated), Schillaci, Emancipation, Mahogon y (Freedman finally worked out he was a top sprinter), Strawberry Road, Vo Rogue.

Very hard to actually put in order from different eras etc. Think we can just be thankful for the good ones we see.

 

[cats56]

Penny dropped? HA. I agree, but possibly not for me mate.

You need to read and think a bit before you post. Admittedly I don't always do that either, although i have in this post.

One little bit of advice, not everyone is 18yo and wet behind the ears like you may think. Some might actually be genuine racing fans, have iq's of over 150, they might've travelled to over 60 countries the world over, and might be self made millionaires going skyward all at the age of 34. Ever consider that old fella?

Or maybe what you need to do is define your use of the words moron, idiotic, tiny brain et al.

They say wisdom comes with age, i think you've just given good reason for me to think that that saying is absolute horsesh#t. (pardon the pun)

And if you know someone like this then get some advice it will definately help you. I have an IQ of 166 and have been fortunate to see racing in Europe so hope that helps.

 

[blqld]

I'll throw in a couple more of others of late who ran some exceptional races:

Durbridge
Bonecrusher
Tie the Knot

You can go through the history of racing - and there are soooooo many good & great horses. Gynsynd was a gutsy horse - no real pedigree but knew how to race.

 

[cats56]

I'll throw in a couple more of others of late who ran some exceptional races:

Durbridge
Bonecrusher
Tie the Knot

You can go through the history of racing - and there are soooooo many good & great horses. Gynsynd was a gutsy horse - no real pedigree but knew how to race.

Yes so many. Bonecrusher who knows how great he would have been if he hadn't have got crook in Japan. Dad actually rated him potentially as good as Tulloch. Durbridge poorly bred but gutsy horse, not quite top shelf. Tie the Knot great Sydney horse but not as good in Melbourne