Picola & District Discussion 2023

[GrassKat]

Geez I reckon the weekly times and AFL Vic have someone firmly in their target

Even with the sanctions being imposed on the PDL, I reckon the player point model being implement will lead to something that is adopted across more leagues in the future. It’s just disappointing that it had to come to unaffiliating (again) to make a stand for member clubs and the competition.

 

[jayco13]

Even with the sanctions being imposed on the PDL, I reckon the player point model being implement will lead to something that is adopted across more leagues in the future. It’s just disappointing that it had to come to unaffiliating (again) to make a stand for member clubs and the competition.

The points system, if used properly(unlike the current set up in most leagues), is the only thing that will help even out leagues.
Salary caps are a waste of time as they aren't able to be effectively monitored.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Even with the sanctions being imposed on the PDL, I reckon the player point model being implement will lead to something that is adopted across more leagues in the future. It’s just disappointing that it had to come to unaffiliating (again) to make a stand for member clubs and the competition.

Although it will give automatic hope , I would think it will take 2-3 years to start seeing the full positive affect of the changes being implemented .

 

[MortlockWatcher]

The same concept was implemented in the South West league in Bunbury, WA in 2012.

Over the period from 2013-2015, eight of the 10 clubs played finals football (top 5) and seven clubs finished in the bottom three on the ladder (nine spots filled by seven clubs).

It won't be immediate, but you should have witnessed some equalisation occurring within 3-5 years.

 

[the steam train]

The same concept was implemented in the South West league in Bunbury, WA in 2012.

Over the period from 2013-2015, eight of the 10 clubs played finals football (top 5) and seven clubs finished in the bottom three on the ladder (nine spots filled by seven clubs).

It won't be immediate, but you should have witnessed some equalisation occurring within 3-5 years.

The points system adopted looks fine in theory , and credit to the league for attempting to help struggling clubs. I feel the geographical location of the northern clubs is just going to make it tougher and tougher each year to stay competitive. There just aren’t the kids in the areas anymore and juniors are the building blocks to a sustainable club, I really feel for these clubs and am full of admiration for how they are managing to stay afloat.


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["The Roar Is Back"]

The points system adopted looks fine in theory , and credit to the league for attempting to help struggling clubs. I feel the geographical location of the northern clubs is just going to make it tougher and tougher each year to stay competitive. There just aren’t the kids in the areas anymore and juniors are the building blocks to a sustainable club, I really feel for these clubs and am full of admiration for how they are

The points system adopted looks fine in theory , and credit to the league for attempting to help struggling clubs. I feel the geographical location of the northern clubs is just going to make it tougher and tougher each year to stay competitive. There just aren’t the kids in the areas anymore and juniors are the building blocks to a sustainable club, I really feel for these clubs and am full of admiration for how they are managing to stay afloat.


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Strong junior numbers being needed to remain sustainable or successful at senior level is great in theory , but it’s not reality .
Picola is as successful as any side in the past 5 full seasons ( including finals ) and that successful period was strongly influenced by their own juniors who often played in sides with low player numbers . Waaia is another example of having low junior numbers and success yet having strong influence in future years from players who have played in those low numbered junior sides .
It’s also interesting to research the amount of kids who have played u14’s , transferred firstly into u17’s and then seniors at the various clubs and their success at senior level .
Census information that I’ve seen gives indication that the amount of kids from the 2 most northern clubs Jerilderie and Berrigan is actually growing.

Edit : I sympathise with all club executives trying to field sides and run their community football
/ netball clubs .
IMO , the lack of player numbers at all levels is a result of a decrease in interest to play the game . This is not surprising given the lack of promotion the game has had in recent years and changes implemented .
The interest from the controlling body for those not within elite pathways has seemingly continually declined whilst the identification of talented juniors has continually reduced in age.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Strong junior numbers being needed to remain sustainable or successful at senior level is great in theory , but it’s not reality .
Picola is as successful as any side in the past 5 full seasons ( including finals ) and that successful period was strongly influenced by their own juniors who often played in sides with low player numbers . Waaia is another example of having low junior numbers and success yet having strong influence in future years from players who have played in those low numbered junior sides .
It’s also interesting to research the amount of kids who have played u14’s , transferred firstly into u17’s and then seniors at the various clubs and their success at senior level .
Census information that I’ve seen gives indication that the amount of kids from the 2 most northern clubs Jerilderie and Berrigan is actually growing.

Edit : I sympathise with all club executives trying to field sides and run their community football
/ netball clubs .
IMO , the lack of player numbers at all levels is a result of a decrease in interest to play the game . This is not surprising given the lack of promotion the game has had in recent years and changes implemented .
The interest from the controlling body for those not within elite pathways has seemingly continually declined whilst the identification of talented juniors has continually reduced in age.

I think there's a perception that if your no good you don't play anymore, no one plays for fun or loving the game, if they don't make an elite squad early, kids drop out now

 

[Silver Tongue]

I think there's a perception that if your no good you don't play anymore, no one plays for fun or loving the game, if they don't make an elite squad early, kids drop out now

AFL reaction to the PDFL's progressive application of a currently dysfunctional points system is pathetic.

While realising the interpersonal (childish) machinations behind the reaction it (the interperonal bullshit) is hardly helpful. Other people have advocated similar to the PDFL initiative and yet AFL Vic has not budged on a points system that leaves clubs stranded on the bottom half of the ladder devoid of options until volunteers run out of energy and passion. We all know what comes next.

The PDFL showed some creative capacity and made their own changes.
And the AFL response is indeed predictable. Sad really.

 

[Footymatters]

Strong junior numbers being needed to remain sustainable or successful at senior level is great in theory , but it’s not reality .
Picola is as successful as any side in the past 5 full seasons ( including finals ) and that successful period was strongly influenced by their own juniors who often played in sides with low player numbers . Waaia is another example of having low junior numbers and success yet having strong influence in future years from players who have played in those low numbered junior sides .
It’s also interesting to research the amount of kids who have played u14’s , transferred firstly into u17’s and then seniors at the various clubs and their success at senior level .
Census information that I’ve seen gives indication that the amount of kids from the 2 most northern clubs Jerilderie and Berrigan is actually growing.

Edit : I sympathise with all club executives trying to field sides and run their community football
/ netball clubs .
IMO , the lack of player numbers at all levels is a result of a decrease in interest to play the game . This is not surprising given the lack of promotion the game has had in recent years and changes implemented .
The interest from the controlling body for those not within elite pathways has seemingly continually declined whilst the identification of talented juniors has continually reduced in age.

It’s not only the kids that have lost interest. In the past, Kids in larger towns, that didn’t make the “major league” teams, were picked up by community clubs. Unfortunately, presently we see and hear that a lot of parents would sooner then drop out of sport than drive them 20-30 minutes out the road.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

It’s not only the kids that have lost interest. In the past, Kids in larger towns, that didn’t make the “major league” teams, were picked up by community clubs. Unfortunately, presently we see and hear that a lot of parents would sooner then drop out of sport than drive them 20-30 minutes out the road.

Kids go to school in major towns , where the teachers often have a link to the local footy club and there is a perception that playing within ‘ junior comps ‘ is greater for their development . The local club within the larger city has 2-3 sides per age group . Through numerous reasons kids , including from rural communities start playing within the major city teams and develop a dream of firstly playing AFL and secondly to play with the aligned senior team , which I think all kids at any level develop and is healthy .
At 12-13 years of age most kids have lost the chance to play at the elite AFL level . If not lost at that age within the next 2-3 years the largest proportion within the major cities lose the dream to play for the local major city team as 2-3 sides per age group become 1 and the major city teams start to recruit kids who have been developed in rural / community leagues .
Once asked a very well credentialed coach from within the GVL why his side continued to recruit 3rds players out of the PDFNL when they had seemingly recruited the best crop of u14’s 3 years early .
‘ Kids are more developed as they have often played more footy and at times played senior footy ‘
Ironically on the same day multiple parents advised that they had been contacted by that same major clubs aligned junior side and were told they should take their into the aligned junior side/ club as it would be better for their development .

 

[GrassKat]

Kids go to school in major towns , where the teachers often have a link to the local footy club and there is a perception that playing within ‘ junior comps ‘ is greater for their development . The local club within the larger city has 2-3 sides per age group . Through numerous reasons kids , including from rural communities start playing within the major city teams and develop a dream of firstly playing AFL and secondly to play with the aligned senior team , which I think all kids at any level develop and is healthy .
At 12-13 years of age most kids have lost the chance to play at the elite AFL level . If not lost at that age within the next 2-3 years the largest proportion within the major cities lose the dream to play for the local major city team as 2-3 sides per age group become 1 and the major city teams start to recruit kids who have been developed in rural / community leagues .
Once asked a very well credentialed coach from within the GVL why his side continued to recruit 3rds players out of the PDFNL when they had seemingly recruited the best crop of u14’s 3 years early .
‘ Kids are more developed as they have often played more footy and at times played senior footy ‘
Ironically on the same day multiple parents advised that they had been contacted by that same major clubs aligned junior side and were told they should take their into the aligned junior side/ club as it would be better for their development .

This post is brilliant! Well said Roar.

Kids starting at a “major league” club is problematic as once “cut” they have nowhere else to go to. We need kids to align with all levels and be supported at playing at which ever level suits their ability.

The uniqueness of our game, if doen right, is that we can all remain engaged for a long time.

 

[mixed emotions]

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With major league clubs going out of business under AFL control, where is its focus.
Play HQ Board of Directors
James Sutherland Chairperson CEO Golf Australia
Sam Walch CEO and Co-Founder
Kylie Rogers AFL Senior executive
Walter Lee AFL Senior Executive
Nick Honey CEO Basketball Victoria

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

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With major league clubs going out of business under AFL control, where is its focus.
Play HQ Board of Directors
James Sutherland Chairperson CEO Golf Australia
Sam Walch CEO and Co-Founder
Kylie Rogers AFL Senior executive
Walter Lee AFL Senior Executive
Nick Honey CEO Basketball Victoria

Sam Walch- allegedly resigned recently , early last week .
Kylie Rogers - Is alleged to have resigned from AFL and never returned .

Ben Walch ( assume it’s Sam’s son ) head of product !

 

[countryFootylad]

Sad news to hear Corowa-Rutherglen has gone into recess over player numbers.
Country footy is in a dire state at the moment

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Sad news to hear Corowa-Rutherglen has gone into recess over player numbers.
Country footy is in a dire state at the moment

That region has blindly allowed changes to systems ( namely points system ) that have been against the systems rules and not applied anywhere else .
The list is long and ongoing of clubs closing within that region unfortunately and there seems to be a common denominator .

 

[countryFootylad]

That region has blindly allowed changes to systems ( namely points system ) that have been against the systems rules and not applied anywhere else .
The list is long and ongoing of clubs closing within that region unfortunately and there seems to be a common denominator .

The AFL makes a lot of money and it seems like it’s wasted on a whole lot of needless roles from AFL house down to its regional branches instead of promoting the game at grass roots.
They need to get into school and motivate the kids to play again, not charge $90 for Auskick and give the kids a ball and a bag that would cost $20 to make.

 

[ROOTA#6]

The AFL makes a lot of money and it seems like it’s wasted on a whole lot of needless roles from AFL house down to its regional branches instead of promoting the game at grass roots.
They need to get into school and motivate the kids to play again, not charge $90 for Auskick and give the kids a ball and a bag that would cost $20 to make.

You make a good point here that not many have mentioned before…cost to play these days is unaffordable for a lot of people now. I’ve got 3 boys..nearly $400 in fees, plus boots, shorts and socks plus petrol each weekend to drive them around to games etc. it’s a lot of money. I am on a reasonable wicket so can do it but it still stings. How are those families that do it tough supposed to manage it

 

[MortlockWatcher]

It could be worse.

I have heard of some soccer clubs in Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne charging their juniors (and we are talking about children under 10) around $1000 EACH per season (and no discounts offered for multiple children from the same family) and using a lot of that to recruit and pay senior players. And the clubs don't deny it. We are talking about clubs that aren't even in the top couple of divisions.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

The AFL makes a lot of money and it seems like it’s wasted on a whole lot of needless roles from AFL house down to its regional branches instead of promoting the game at grass roots.
They need to get into school and motivate the kids to play again, not charge $90 for Auskick and give the kids a ball and a bag that would cost $20 to make.

I don't think there's a problem with Auskick, the numbers are enormous, it's in the 12+ age bracket, where if they don't make a squad they give up and stop or footy gets too serious with coaches pushing to win too hard that young

 

[the steam train]

The AFL makes a lot of money and it seems like it’s wasted on a whole lot of needless roles from AFL house down to its regional branches instead of promoting the game at grass roots.
They need to get into school and motivate the kids to play again, not charge $90 for Auskick and give the kids a ball and a bag that would cost $r 20 to make.

Pretty narrow and naive to blame AFL for all the issues affecting country clubs, yes they could take some feedback and do better, everyone could, but I think clubs need to stand up and take control and responsibility for their own actions. Leagues also. The AFL Regional reps are generally very approachable and will help where they can with issues, a calm , reasonable and non aggressive approach works best


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[Trent the flight Steward]

Pretty narrow and naive to blame AFL for all the issues affecting country clubs, yes they could take some feedback and do better, everyone could, but I think clubs need to stand up and take control and responsibility for their own actions. Leagues also. The AFL Regional reps are generally very approachable and will help where they can with issues, a calm , reasonable and non aggressive approach works best


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The AFL has taken over country footy with plenty of promises from leagues, what have they delivered?

They are a large organisation, that are pretty happy to take the revenue, what's given back to communities? There's not one practice game in a flood affected area, why isn't a game at corowa, Rochy, Seymour, Newbridge ? I think north are going to Rochy, which is the only club visiting an area heavily impacted by floods.

 

[Post padding]

The AFL has taken over country footy with plenty of promises from leagues, what have they delivered?

They are a large organisation, that are pretty happy to take the revenue, what's given back to communities? There's not one practice game in a flood affected area, why isn't a game at corowa, Rochy, Seymour, Newbridge ? I think north are going to Rochy, which is the only club visiting an area heavily impacted by floods.

Fair chance those grounds aren’t up to AFL standard:
Richmond going to Echuca and flood effected families from both Echuca and Rochy have been invited too.
AFL has obviously helped the Swans with their portable club and change rooms
Rochy’s rooms unfortunately didn’t get damaged that much.


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["The Roar Is Back"]

Pretty narrow and naive to blame AFL for all the issues affecting country clubs, yes they could take some feedback and do better, everyone could, but I think clubs need to stand up and take control and responsibility for their own actions. Leagues also. The AFL Regional reps are generally very approachable and will help where they can with issues, a calm , reasonable and non aggressive approach works best


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Difficult for clubs and league’s ‘ to stand up and take control ‘ when the governing body is continually attempting to take full control and any objection to such is met with all retribution available.
Yes under the watch of Jamie Macri it was evident that AFL regional reps were approachable in fact he approached most and certainly encouraged communication .
Regional by-laws introduced contradicting leagues rules without any consultation .
Reducing of points & salary cap without consultation . Changing it system without consultation or support .
Hardly what I would call approachable .

Interestingly no -one seems to receive any approach or assistance from AFL , outside of that era , other than when affiliation comes around and there is seen as opportunity to pot / undermine the league ? Funny that isn’t it .

Maybe someone’s willingness to contact clubs has something to do with a certain Auskick video ??

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Fair chance those grounds aren’t up to AFL standard:
Richmond going to Echuca and flood effected families from both Echuca and Rochy have been invited too.
AFL has obviously helped the Swans with their portable club and change rooms
Rochy’s rooms unfortunately didn’t get damaged that much.


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Worth considering that the head a community football for the AFL who along with his brother is one of the 9 executives of the AFL , is (was in 2022) a coach at the Swans.
I’m sure it didn’t do the Swans any harm having that connection .

 

[Post padding]

Worth considering that the head a community football for the AFL who along with his brother is one of the 9 executives of the AFL , is (was in 2022) a coach at the Swans.
I’m sure it didn’t do the Swans any harm having that connection .

Don’t think any of them coached at Rochester and they were offered assistance too


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