Mega Thread Player caught betting on AFL

[pazza]

I don't think the size of the bet matters.

The fact they've done the deed is the problem. Stuff the semantics of small bets/large bets. It's the bet that is the issue.

So to stamp out the problem, the penalties for players gambling on footy for any reason should be as tough as possible.

 

[Geelongsince1984]

Because he did not know. Sheesh.

Hope next time it is a Geelong player who is caught and watch u call for him to sacked. Yeah the silence will be deafening

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Quote Originally Posted by damuzzdu
OMG this is not ASIC. Sheesh, it is bloody football game FFS.

Just calm down and hope to hell next time it is not a West Coast player involved. Will you call for the WCE players sacking if that happens, I doubt it.

Next troll comment pls

Dont you have anything better to type. Im amazed myself at this fool but im not trying to go and throw crap at every club cause players at mine got caught out.
Rules are rules, then again not first time shaw has f***ed up. Prob wont be last.
In your words, next troll plox

 

[Zahki]

Sitting on the sidelines watching all his mates win another flag will be far more punishment than the actual suspension.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

What he did obviously isn't right, but a bit of perspective, please. One small bet (that he didn't even win) on something that (at the AFL's admission) had no bearing on the result of the game. It's not like he was blatantly fixing match results here, or even made any attempts to generate a winning result for the bet itself.

It's hardly a given. 8 weeks of no football at any level would see any player struggle to make it back into a finals side, particularly if their replacement (likely to be Simon Buckley) adequately fills their shoes.

I think perspective has already been granted in that this bet didn't influence the game in any observable way. But even though it didn't influence it in this situation, the potential for it to is actually really high.

 

[KissStephanie]

So when you have players rubbed out for 2 weeks (in Primus' case), multiple other players (eg Simon Goodwin) and Simon Goodwin copping big fines for betting on results of other games, and the AFL warning players to stay well away from AFL betting when investigating other suspicious cases like the Daniel Merrett and Brent Guerra 1st goalkicker betting plunges, Heath Shaw, with all that precedent and all the warnings, shouldn't get a lot more than 2 weeks?

Who said the penalty should have been 2 weeks? Adrian Anderson stated that the type of bet did not influence the penalty, so if a player had bet on the outcome of the match, then it appears he would have received the same penalty.

Too severe?

Yes. I think I've made my opinion clear.

He bet on Maxwell to be first goal kicker did he not? Semantics.

You said that he should have been suspended for the season for betting on a game when he did not bet on a game.

 

[Forward Press]

Who said the penalty should have been 2 weeks? Adrian Anderson stated that the type of bet did not influence the penalty, so if a player had bet on the outcome of the match, then it appears he would have received the same penalty.

You're a real stickler for semantics. I just mentioned the 2 weeks Primus got as a starting point. I asked for justification why a penalty of a lot more than 2 weeks is unjustified, given precedent and the AFL's massive crackdown on gambling by players and officials on AFL matches.

 

[Mattman93]

What he did obviously isn't right, but a bit of perspective, please. One small bet (that he didn't even win) on something that (at the AFL's admission) had no bearing on the result of the game. It's not like he was blatantly fixing match results here, or even made any attempts to generate a winning result for the bet itself.



It's hardly a given. 8 weeks of no football at any level would see any player struggle to make it back into a finals side, particularly if their replacement (likely to be Simon Buckley) adequately fills their shoes.

You don't think if Shaw had the ball in the first minute of the game, and two options presented themselves, one being Maxwell and the other another leading forward, he'd be inclined to go to Maxwell even if it would put him on a slightly harder angle and/or further distance?

 

[Power King]

Have not read the thread, just watched the presser by Adrian Anderson.

My two cents:

Hefty suspension of Heath Shaw but fair enough. Small bet but it's not the money at hand, it's the integrity rather.

Nick Maxwell though, what is he guilty of? Players genuinely can't tell family or friends what position they're going to be starting at on the weekend? What about players that truthfully answer interview questions about tactics concerning upcoming matches then? A bit confused as to what Maxwell is guilty of here.

 

[pazza]

Sitting on the sidelines watching all his mates win another flag will be far more punishment than the actual suspension.

He'll have 8 weeks to freshen himself up physically, so he'll be okay. Would have been helpful for the Pies seconds to play in the VFL finals for match fitness, but, I'm fully expecting to see In: H. Shaw come the Preliminary Final.

And that's the whole problem with the punishment. It actually doesn't go far enough.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

I'd be impressed with the club if they don't consider Shaw for selection for the rest of the year, on top of the suspension. He's a moron and if this costs us a flag I will never forgive him.

 

[DTShowtime]

It is ironic the way the Collingwood supporters are reacting and complaining now. Much the same but slightly worse as the way St Kilda posters did when the Kim Duthie thing was going on.

Who is complaining Albert? Most Collingwood supporters have stated that Shaw is an idiot who got what he deserved.

The only complaining by Collingwood supporters is when opposition supporters state that they are imploding.

I've never been easy about the increase in betting & sponsorship in the AFL being everywhere (including games) & it's no surprise that it's a problem. I don't doubt there is a culture of it amongst AFL players given how thick they are.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Betting on Nick to kick the first goal is betting on the game.

Whether he bet on Nick to kick the first goal, the last goal, 5 goals or no goals it's still betting on the game and if Nick knew about it before the game it would have possibly had an influence on his game

Is it match-fixing? Probably not but it's damn close

 

[Strahany]

Are you serious...

Using is an offence plus you would have to possess them to use them (and before you start injecting into or similar is also an offence)

Scenario a) Cops search a house for whatever reason. Drugs are found, person is charged with posession of drugs.

Scenario b) Cops search a house for whatever reason. Person is under the influence of drugs, but none are found. No charge is laid.

 

[g-man]

Lots of people are asking what is Maxwell supposed to do if someone asks him about the game. The thing is, there are many professions where you are legally not able to mention anything about your work. Its not just ASIO agents (or FBI/CIA etc), but a lot of regular caseworkers are not allowed to talk about anything to do with the cases they get. When people ask, you just apologise and say you can't talk about it.

That's not to say that I think Maxwell DID do anything wrong necessarily, as I don't know whether its part of his contract as a player not to reveal anything to anyone outside of the club.

But Heath Shaw is a totally different story. What a freaking idiot.

Big difference between these things and a game of football though.

 

[Mattman93]

You said that he should have been suspended for the season for betting on a game when he did not bet on a game.

It really shouldn't matter, once you make a bet involving a game that you're playing in you're compromising the integrity of the game and the sport itself, period.

 

[LongBomb]

It's cheating, pure and simple.
Very lucky not to have the full 14 week suspension.

 

[DTRAIN87]

Who is complaining Albert? Most Collingwood supporters have stated that Shaw is an idiot who got what he deserved.

The only complaining by Collingwood supporters is when opposition supporters state that they are imploding.

Really? Well considering Kiss Stephanie is saying the penalty is harsh and unjustified along with others, this comment is farily justified.

By the way, who is Albert and why are you calling me Albert?

 

[ziad]

I think perspective has already been granted in that this bet didn't influence the game in any observable way. But even though it didn't influence it in this situation, the potential for it to is actually really high.

Certainly is. Pakistani Cricket is a circus with no cred - if AFL went down this path - you could quickly say good by to sponsors etc. This cancer must be stamped out. Idiot players doing dumb things must be shown the full force of available penalties to make it absolutely obvious to their idiot mates that gambling on footy by players is banned. It is beyond stupid of Shaw.

The game already almost accepts that tanking team rig matches and no action has been taken. Introduce gambling into the mix and is is all down hill.

The penalty anounced appears on the lighter side.

 

[kosifantutti]

You said that he should have been suspended for the season for betting on a game when he did not bet on a game.

He did not bet on the result of the match but he bet on the game.

 

[baja]

Im angry about this, it sends the wrong message.

Gamblor has more power than he should, if they are stupid enough to take these kind of bets they should cop it sweet.

Since when are they a governing power anyway? Soon they will teach gambling in schools.

Piss off Gamblor!

 

[damuzzdu]

You've got a pretty big Collingwood chip on your shoulder. Believe it or not, most people would have the same reaction regardless of whether it was Collingwood, any other team or even their own team. If you need proof, look at some of the threads on the Swans board from a few years back when Keiren Jack has placed a bet on a game. I'm sure that there would be similar things on the Melbourne and Adelaide boards as well.

No chip here. I think HS is lucky to get away with 14 games/ 8 games.

Just takes an incident like this and you can bet yr last dollar on BF over-reacting.

Heath Shaw was silly, he knew the rules and he cop it sweet.

As for Nick Maxwell he just went and told his family like HE HAD BEEN DOING FOR PAST 143 games where he was playing. The fact his family took that info and placed $85 worth of bets is not of his doing.

I guess Nick should arrive home at nite on Thursday and not tell his wife..."Hey Erin i'm picked to play this week" Get real. His family should have known that the info is privileged and not to be used to place bets. They know now.

 

[KissStephanie]

You're a real stickler for semantics.

What bloody semantics? I took your post on face value. He did not bet on a game but on the first goalkicker which is not the same thing at all!

I just mentioned the 2 weeks Primus got as a starting point. I asked for justification why a penalty of a lot more than 2 weeks is unjustified, given precedent and the AFL's massive crackdown on gambling by players and officials on AFL matches.

I don't think that anybody has suggested that Heath Shaw should have been suspended for only two matches. I believe a 4-6 week suspension plus 6 weeks suspended along with the $20,000 fine and loss of match payments is a closer penalty for the offence. If they wanted to stick with the current penalty then he should have been permitted to play in the VFL in the meantime which would have been more reasonable for the offence as well.

 

[AllFooty4]

Maxwell that day was on the " any other player listed" category, Mcaffer I believe kicked the goal who was also on the any other player listed category, so I think he should've got his money back unless he somehow put a direct bet on Maxwell...

 

[g-man]

Is it match-fixing? Probably not but it's damn close

How so? Match fixing is trying to influence the result of a game, not betting $10 on a teammate kicking the first goal. It's not even in the same ballpark. I'm not defending Shaw, he's a stupid idiot for doing what he did but lets not overstate things either.

 

[Damon_3388]

It is ironic the way the Collingwood supporters are reacting and complaining now. Much the same but slightly worse as the way St Kilda posters did when the Kim Duthie thing was going on.

And the reaction should be "slightly worse" too, as our player has received a lengthy suspension for this act (and deserved a suspension too, nobody is denying that), whereas St Kilda players didn't receive any sanctions (not saying they should have, just pointing out that there's a big difference).

You don't think if Shaw had the ball in the first minute of the game, and two options presented themselves, one being Maxwell and the other another leading forward, he'd be inclined to go to Maxwell even if it would put him on a slightly harder angle and/or further distance?

I'm sure he'd go with the best option available, taking into account any pressure he was under with the kick, location on the ground, etc. It's much harder to engineer results in a fast, free flowing game like football, compared to a slow, static game like cricket. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest Shaw did anything to influence a positive result for his bet. As far as we know, he didn't even so much as make Maxwell or anyone else aware of it.