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benjiv

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Dear fellow Hawthorn supporters and fellow bigfooty members,

Firstly, it must be noted that I am only new to bigfooty, but like to read what a minor few have to say on this site and respect peoples opinions.

It must also be noted that I am very passionate Hawthorn supporter and have been for a very long time.

HOWEVER, i am pleading with my fellow Hawthorn supporters to stop their consistent ramping, ranting, bias and boasting of our football club.

No wonder no-one on here respects the majority of my team's supporters- and it gives a select few of us bad names.

A few points i would like to address-

Based on what do our supporters deserve to boast about our club? We have not won a grand final in 16 years and played ONE finals series since 2001, which clearly showed against North Melbourne last year. Boast, when our club actually wins a Grand Final or plays in consecutive finals series. It is ONLY Round 6.

Based on what do our supporters deserve to ridicule and demean other team's supporters- most notably Geelong and North Melbourne.

I can tell you now, Geelong are AT LEAST a 4-6 goal better side than Hawthorn. This is just reality. They are 2-3 years more advanced then Hawthorn and have a more talented list. The mere fact that my club's supporters keep bringing up how we beat them last year, annoys me. We won by 4 points in terrible conditions, in Round 5 (i think). Who won last year's grand final, Brownlow Medal, Norm Smith Medal and had half the All- Australian team? EXACTLY.

Why do our supporters abuse and demean North Melbourne, a club who on the outside have struggled financially, only to consistently prove their doubters wrong? They deserve respect, they don't have the facilities and $$ like most club's have, yet always give 100%- In case my supporters forgot, they both physically and mentally destroyed us in last year's finals, resulting in Lewis, Hodge and Crawford all getting suspended- How can you abuse their players for being soft and weak?

Franklin v Tambling- Buddy is a star in the making, and is arguably one of the top 5 players in the competition- Embrace him. Why bag Richmond supporters for picking Tambling? Tambling, un-like Buddy didn't have the luxury of having his family move from NT with him. He is only a kid, 21 years old and will be a very good player. Hawthorn were going to draft him if you can remember. Why do we never hear from our supporters how Hawthorn drafting Beau Dowler with pick 6?

Cyril Rioli not getting a nomination yet- This kid looks to be an beautifully gifted player and has shown great signs since debuting. He will get his nomination. Every other player nominated has deserved their nomination. Just be thankful we drafted such a promising player and enjoy what he does on the field, instead of worrying if he gets a nomination.

PLEASE fellow HAWTHORN supporters, try and show some respect and dignity, and you will receive it in return. If you don't like what someone has to say, try think of something logical to write back instead of using personal or demeaning insults- that is soft and weak.

When our club wins a grand final, boast and cheer all you like until then just support our team respectfully.

In life one must give respect in order to earn respect.
 
Dear fellow Hawthorn supporters and fellow bigfooty members,

Firstly, it must be noted that I am only new to bigfooty, but like to read what a minor few have to say on this site and respect peoples opinions.

It must also be noted that I am very passionate Hawthorn supporter and have been for a very long time.

HOWEVER, i am pleading with my fellow Hawthorn supporters to stop their consistent ramping, ranting, bias and boasting of our football club.

No wonder no-one on here respects the majority of my team's supporters- and it gives a select few of us bad names.

A few points i would like to address-

Based on what do our supporters deserve to boast about our club? We have not won a grand final in 16 years and played ONE finals series since 2001, which clearly showed against North Melbourne last year. Boast, when our club actually wins a Grand Final or plays in consecutive finals series. It is ONLY Round 6.

Based on what do our supporters deserve to ridicule and demean other team's supporters- most notably Geelong and North Melbourne.

I can tell you now, Geelong are AT LEAST a 4-6 goal better side than Hawthorn. This is just reality. They are 2-3 years more advanced then Hawthorn and have a more talented list. The mere fact that my club's supporters keep bringing up how we beat them last year, annoys me. We won by 4 points in terrible conditions, in Round 5 (i think). Who won last year's grand final, Brownlow Medal, Norm Smith Medal and had half the All- Australian team? EXACTLY.

Why do our supporters abuse and demean North Melbourne, a club who on the outside have struggled financially, only to consistently prove their doubters wrong? They deserve respect, they don't have the facilities and $$ like most club's have, yet always give 100%- In case my supporters forgot, they both physically and mentally destroyed us in last year's finals, resulting in Lewis, Hodge and Crawford all getting suspended- How can you abuse their players for being soft and weak?

Franklin v Tambling- Buddy is a star in the making, and is arguably one of the top 5 players in the competition- Embrace him. Why bag Richmond supporters for picking Tambling? Tambling, un-like Buddy didn't have the luxury of having his family move from NT with him. He is only a kid, 21 years old and will be a very good player. Hawthorn were going to draft him if you can remember. Why do we never hear from our supporters how Hawthorn drafting Beau Dowler with pick 6?

Cyril Rioli not getting a nomination yet- This kid looks to be an beautifully gifted player and has shown great signs since debuting. He will get his nomination. Every other player nominated has deserved their nomination. Just be thankful we drafted such a promising player and enjoy what he does on the field, instead of worrying if he gets a nomination.

PLEASE fellow HAWTHORN supporters, try and show some respect and dignity, and you will receive it in return. If you don't like what someone has to say, try think of something logical to write back instead of using personal or demeaning insults- that is soft and weak.

When our club wins a grand final, boast and cheer all you like until then just support our team respectfully.

In life one must give respect in order to earn respect.

The originator of this thread is the sort of supporter that made me believe, once upon a time, that Hawk fans were the most intelligent and most humble in the league.

Kudos to you, mate.
 

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Based on what do our supporters deserve to boast about our club? We have not won a grand final in 16 years and played ONE finals series since 2001, which clearly showed against North Melbourne last year. Boast, when our club actually wins a Grand Final or plays in consecutive finals series. It is ONLY Round 6.

Boasting and complementing aren't the same thing. We're playing great footy, been alternating first and second spot on the ladder with The Cats all season, undefeated, beaten bogey sides - the list goes on. We have a justified confidence in our club. Excuse me if I think it's utterly disingenuous to pretend to be less confident than one actually is.

Based on what do our supporters deserve to ridicule and demean other team's supporters- most notably Geelong and North Melbourne.

I'm new here too, but I don't think anyone takes that kind of stuff (as in the ridiculing) very seriously. We have a great rivalry with both Geelong and North - Geelong has been obsessed with us since the 1989 GF, we're the only team they didn't beat last year, and you just know they're dying to have a go. We're dying to prove that we can be number 1 - bring on round 17. These rivalries are one of the things that make this game so great.

I can tell you now, Geelong are AT LEAST a 4-6 goal better side than Hawthorn. This is just reality. They are 2-3 years more advanced then Hawthorn and have a more talented list. The mere fact that my club's supporters keep bringing up how we beat them last year, annoys me. We won by 4 points in terrible conditions, in Round 5 (i think). Who won last year's grand final, Brownlow Medal, Norm Smith Medal and had half the All- Australian team? EXACTLY.

Actually, no, that's not 'reality' it's one person's opinion. Geelong were undoubtedly the best team going around last year, I don't think .hat's in dispute. The fact is that no one knows which of us will be the better team this year. So far, they might be slightly ahead, it's been a bit of an arm-wrestle for that top spot on the ladder, but as you say - it's early days.

Cyril Rioli not getting a nomination yet- This kid looks to be an beautifully gifted player and has shown great signs since debuting. He will get his nomination. Every other player nominated has deserved their nomination. Just be thankful we drafted such a promising player and enjoy what he does on the field, instead of worrying if he gets a nomination.

To be fair, a lot of people thought Cyrill deserved it in round 4. It's not a big deal though, he will get one eventually.

PLEASE fellow HAWTHORN supporters, try and show some respect and dignity, and you will receive it in return. If you don't like what someone has to say, try think of something logical to write back instead of using personal or demeaning insults- that is soft and weak.

This I agree with, except that there's no way that it's only Hawks supporters doing this. Supporters of every club do this sort of thing, I'm not sure why you'd try to ascribe it as a trait specific to Hawthorn followers.

By the way, you use the 'boast' poorly. Boasting is, by definition, always bad. Being confident of success, as a supporter - well I don't think it's unreasonable to be confident at this point.
 
Dear fellow Hawthorn supporters and fellow bigfooty members,

Firstly, it must be noted that I am only new to bigfooty, but like to read what a minor few have to say on this site and respect peoples opinions.

It must also be noted that I am very passionate Hawthorn supporter and have been for a very long time.

HOWEVER, i am pleading with my fellow Hawthorn supporters to stop their consistent ramping, ranting, bias and boasting of our football club.

No wonder no-one on here respects the majority of my team's supporters- and it gives a select few of us bad names.

A few points i would like to address-

Based on what do our supporters deserve to boast about our club? We have not won a grand final in 16 years and played ONE finals series since 2001, which clearly showed against North Melbourne last year. Boast, when our club actually wins a Grand Final or plays in consecutive finals series. It is ONLY Round 6.

Based on what do our supporters deserve to ridicule and demean other team's supporters- most notably Geelong and North Melbourne.

I can tell you now, Geelong are AT LEAST a 4-6 goal better side than Hawthorn. This is just reality. They are 2-3 years more advanced then Hawthorn and have a more talented list. The mere fact that my club's supporters keep bringing up how we beat them last year, annoys me. We won by 4 points in terrible conditions, in Round 5 (i think). Who won last year's grand final, Brownlow Medal, Norm Smith Medal and had half the All- Australian team? EXACTLY.

Why do our supporters abuse and demean North Melbourne, a club who on the outside have struggled financially, only to consistently prove their doubters wrong? They deserve respect, they don't have the facilities and $$ like most club's have, yet always give 100%- In case my supporters forgot, they both physically and mentally destroyed us in last year's finals, resulting in Lewis, Hodge and Crawford all getting suspended- How can you abuse their players for being soft and weak?

Franklin v Tambling- Buddy is a star in the making, and is arguably one of the top 5 players in the competition- Embrace him. Why bag Richmond supporters for picking Tambling? Tambling, un-like Buddy didn't have the luxury of having his family move from NT with him. He is only a kid, 21 years old and will be a very good player. Hawthorn were going to draft him if you can remember. Why do we never hear from our supporters how Hawthorn drafting Beau Dowler with pick 6?

Cyril Rioli not getting a nomination yet- This kid looks to be an beautifully gifted player and has shown great signs since debuting. He will get his nomination. Every other player nominated has deserved their nomination. Just be thankful we drafted such a promising player and enjoy what he does on the field, instead of worrying if he gets a nomination.

PLEASE fellow HAWTHORN supporters, try and show some respect and dignity, and you will receive it in return. If you don't like what someone has to say, try think of something logical to write back instead of using personal or demeaning insults- that is soft and weak.

When our club wins a grand final, boast and cheer all you like until then just support our team respectfully.

In life one must give respect in order to earn respect.




The Hawthorn posters on this board copped it big time during our poor period, big time, and for several years, so now it's their time to get some back, now suck it up and get back in your box.
 
Boasting and complementing aren't the same thing. We're playing great footy, been alternating first and second spot on the ladder with The Cats all season, undefeated, beaten bogey sides - the list goes on. We have a justified confidence in our club. Excuse me if I think it's utterly disingenuous to pretend to be less confident than one actually is.
Bit early to be talking about 'all season', only five rounds isn't much to go on.
 
well said brother... you make some good points there.

HOWEVER, it is ONLY Round 6. ANYTHING can happen in the next 17 rounds. I respect the fact the team is playing fantastic football and the signs are great BUT it is still far too early.

in no way did i mean to "troll" or anger supporters. I was just writing my opinions and there will obviously be many that disagree and that is fine.

It just gets to me, seeing Hawthorn supporters dishing out abuse but not being able to handle it in return.
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with being happy about where your club is at on or off field. There has been a lot of good banter between us and Hawthorn members but there has also been far too much dribble with a lot of childish taunts back and forth.

I have no issue with that stuff on bay13 but to see it bleed into other forums is disappointing.
 
Firstly.
That is one of the worst efforts of it's type i've seen for some time, who do you really support, mods, check his ip address and ban both his aliases.

Secondly.
The Hawthorn posters on this board copped it big time during our poor period, big time, and for several years, so now it's their time to get some back, now suck it up and get back in your box.

Mate, I am a Hawthorn supporter, and had been a member a while back but forgot my login details.

Once again, i will say, it is fine to respond to criticism from other supporters but why does one consistently need to use personal insults and abuse?
 
As others have said.... No Hawthorn supporter is that modest or intelligent.

Besides.... Seeing them get their hopes up is only going to make it all the more hilarious when they fall in a heap later in the season.
 
The crowbots were destroying the comp and the crows supporters kept things in check. Much kudos to them.

Some eagles supporters were pretty over the top but at least we made a couple of GF's and won one.

Hawks are looking ok now but its a long way to go. I guess they just mostly have a supporter base that is used to winning premierships and they haven't had anything to cheer about for 15 years. Just remember you guys have Geelong in your way. And they are the perfect fanbase to ask just how much fun it is to finish 2nd.
 
Mate, I am a Hawthorn supporter, and had been a member a while back but forgot my login details.

Once again, i will say, it is fine to respond to criticism from other supporters but why does one consistently need to use personal insults and abuse?

As I stated, it's the Hawk supporters turn after getting it, you wouldn't understand as your new here ;) but everything the hawk supporters are dishing out is the same as we recieved in the past.

What personal insult?

I'm not one to dish out crap, but I will defend when provoked.
 

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As I stated, it's the Hawk supporters turn after getting it, you wouldn't understand as your new here ;) but everything the hawk supporters are dishing out is the same as we recieved in the past.

What personal insult?

I'm not one to dish out crap, but I will defend when provoked.

Fair enough champ... like you said i am new here and was not around when our supporters were coping it from other supporters...

I just find it a little pathetic and sad that I am being questioned as a Hawthorn supporter because of what i wrote.
 
If you are a Hawks supporter then how do you explain the lack of spelling and grammatical errors in your post? Why have you not used basic symbols that other Hawks supporters are able to understand to make your points? eg Buddy > Tambling or Hawks >>>> Norf

that is a little harsh mate... some people are not gifted grammatical, and i would say it is not only hawthorn supporters who find it difficult to spell certain words and write structured sentences...

also, some may write shorthanded, which would come across as bad grammar.
 
meh, who cares. Hawks copped it now they can dish it. It's all part of the football cycle, I was an arrogant prick when Essendon were killing it. Brisbane were arrogant when they dominated, WC last year, Geelong this year. The Hawks have built a great team and should win a flag possibly more, They'll cop it from our jealousy and give it back as that is their right for having a good football team.

I think a lot of people need to harden the ____ up.
 
meh, who cares. Hawks copped it now they can dish it. It's all part of the football cycle, I was an arrogant prick when Essendon were killing it. Brisbane were arrogant when they dominated, WC last year, Geelong this year. The Hawks have built a great team and should win a flag possibly more, They'll cop it from our jealousy and give it back as that is their right for having a good football team.

I think a lot of people need to harden the ____ up.

"The Hawks have built a great team and should win a flag possibly more, They'll cop it from our jealousy and give it back as that is their right for having a good football team."

EXACTLY my point mate....my team has not won ANYTHING yet- all the team's you stated above have won premierships over the past decade
 
"The Hawks have built a great team and should win a flag possibly more, They'll cop it from our jealousy and give it back as that is their right for having a good football team."

EXACTLY my point mate....my team has not won ANYTHING yet- all the team's you stated above have won premierships over the past decade


lol, this is freaking me out, i'm actually arguing for a hawks supporter of their right to talk shit.

i'm outer here:D:eek:
 
WOW- who would have thought actually being honest and writing something with actual thought would be dismissed and questioned by so many...

I guess in future I will write meaningless information about "why my team is so much better than your team"

How does one gain respect as a poster on this forum, if what they write is constantly questioned and berated???
 
WOW- who would have thought actually being honest and writing something with actual thought would be dismissed and questioned by so many...

I guess in future I will write meaningless information about "why my team is so much better than your team"

How does one gain respect as a poster on this forum, if what they write is constantly questioned and berated???

Do that and you'll fit right in it would seem.
 

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