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Yoda_ said:
For a guy who is priced to average 67 he has averaged well over 88 for the past 10 years bar two injury cruelled years. He is a guy who can consistently break the ton and will make you $120,000+ and allow you to upgrade he (plus a cash cow) to a fallen premium (come at me Rocky) once he has maxed out. Thats not to mentiont he possibility of him going 100+ and potentially being a top 20 midfielder anyway.

At that price, he is firmly on watch list duties throughout the NAB Challenge and should he get through will be a lock.
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Wells is also an awkward age and now suspect to getting "old Man" injuries.

i.e. calf, hammie etc.

Would be very surprised if he managed all 22 games this year.
 
Funk said:
Wells is also an awkward age and now suspect to getting "old Man" injuries.

i.e. calf, hammie etc.

Would be very surprised if he managed all 22 games this year.
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Uh well, lucky this game is as much about chance and the risks you take paying dividends as it is about research and planning.

I for one am taking that risk on Daniel Wells


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SHAKESPEARE said:
Well that's good to hear. Fisher isn't like your typical 32 year old. I'll back him in for a couple more years with a young saints defense
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As long as fisher doesn't play tall defender he scores well.
Far above what he's priced at
 
toxic said:
As long as fisher doesn't play tall defender he scores well.
Far above what he's priced at
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Surely he will continue to rebound off HB. Plenty of cheap ball, and we know the ball is going to be down there plenty
 
SHAKESPEARE said:
Well that's good to hear. Fisher isn't like your typical 32 year old. I'll back him in for a couple more years with a young saints defense
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toxic said:
As long as fisher doesn't play tall defender he scores well.
Far above what he's priced at
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Came into AFL a bit alter than most, but he's turning 33 this year.

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That's the concern, getting 20+ games out of him.

Don't worry, as a Saints fan, I hope he does - we are that much better with him down back.
 
krk004 said:
Came into AFL a bit alter than most, but he's turning 33 this year.

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That's the concern, getting 20+ games out of him.

Don't worry, as a Saints fan, I hope he does - we are that much better with him down back.
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And there in lies the gamble
 
toxic said:
As long as fisher doesn't play tall defender he scores well.
Far above what he's priced at
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He will still play as a tall defender, always has. He scores well when they manipulate match-ups so he finds himself on the least dangerous forward. Reads the play so well that he just zones off, intercepts everything, runs off his man. When he is forced to play on the oppositions best...that's when his scoring suffers. Still a tall defender either way, just different responsibilities
 
cdcanman said:
He will still play as a tall defender, always has. He scores well when they manipulate match-ups so he finds himself on the least dangerous forward. Reads the play so well that he just zones off, intercepts everything, runs off his man. When he is forced to play on the oppositions best...that's when his scoring suffers. Still a tall defender either way, just different responsibilities
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Thats what i was saying, not a key defender standing hawkins cloke buddy types.
Gibson style 3rd defender
 
toxic said:
And there in lies the gamble
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Exactly. If he gets 20 games, it could nearly be a 100 average depending on how the team goes.

At his price, I'm happy to gamble. If it was someone with a poorer history, I'd steer clear.
 

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SHAKESPEARE said:
Surely he will continue to rebound off HB. Plenty of cheap ball, and we know the ball is going to be down there plenty
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A few young guys looking to step into that role though. I can't imagine the Saints will hold back any of the young prospects to give Fisher a better run at it.
 
MightyMark said:
A few young guys looking to step into that role though. I can't imagine the Saints will hold back any of the young prospects to give Fisher a better run at it.
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The coach also needs a few quick wins, so Fisher is a part of that.

They expect improvement, and he will be a part of it. Either way, if he is fit, he will play. Just hope he can hold up
 
SHAKESPEARE said:
The coach also needs a few quick wins, so Fisher is a part of that.

They expect improvement, and he will be a part of it. Either way, if he is fit, he will play. Just hope he can hold up
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No doubting he will play, but just dubious about the prospect of him walking into his old role, when you have a lot of younger guys that you need to put work into.

No one is expecting much from the saints this year, and I don't think Fisher playing a cushy SC friendly role is going to be the difference between them winning and loosing.

He isn;t going to be around for their next premiership run, so why delay the development of younger players to let Fisher play free. He can be just as vital for them staying deep and directing traffic.
 
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No doubting he will play, but just dubious about the prospect of him walking into his old role, when you have a lot of younger guys that you need to put work into.

No one is expecting much from the saints this year, and I don't think Fisher playing a cushy SC friendly role is going to be the difference between them winning and loosing.

He isn;t going to be around for their next premiership run, so why delay the development of younger players to let Fisher play free. He can be just as vital for them staying deep and directing traffic.
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You're not going to all of a sudden deploy Tom Hawkins into a KPD role now, are you?

Fisher is a loose defender, and will play that role if fit. Deployed as a KPD when the saints were desperate has been the only time that has happened


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Yoda_ said:
You're not going to all of a sudden deploy Tom Hawkins into a KPD role now, are you?

Fisher is a loose defender, and will play that role if fit. Deployed as a KPD when the saints were desperate has been the only time that has happened


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Not sure why you used Hawkins as an example, i'm not suggesting that they will throw McCartin or NRoo down there to fill the spot. But with seasoned players, and players that have been running out of HB in the last few years, I cant see them putting a heavy reliance on Fisher.

Savage, Webster, Newnes and Geary have all shown the ability to take that role, and with another preseason under the belt I could see anyone of them having a bigger impact playing loose than Fisher, not because they are better, but because the Saints should be giving them more opportunity.

Only my opinion, but letting a 33 year old hold down a position that 4 or 5 other guys in there mid 20's are vying for doesn't seem to make sense to me, especially considering the Saints will most likely be playing simply to avoid the Wooden Spoon.
 
MightyMark said:
Not sure why you used Hawkins as an example, i'm not suggesting that they will throw McCartin or NRoo down there to fill the spot. But with seasoned players, and players that have been running out of HB in the last few years, I cant see them putting a heavy reliance on Fisher.

Savage, Webster, Newnes and Geary have all shown the ability to take that role, and with another preseason under the belt I could see anyone of them having a bigger impact playing loose than Fisher, not because they are better, but because the Saints should be giving them more opportunity.

Only my opinion, but letting a 33 year old hold down a position that 4 or 5 other guys in there mid 20's are vying for doesn't seem to make sense to me, especially considering the Saints will most likely be playing simply to avoid the Wooden Spoon.
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Fisher is a smart intercept marking king at his best. why would they all of a sudden change his role? None of the guys you mentioned even remotely play the same role that Fisher players (Roberton, Shenton, Simpkin, Dempster if anyone) and he comfortably sits ahead of all 4 of these guys when he is fit and firing.

Just for the record, im not going with Sammy Fisher, think he wont ever get back to his best SC scoring days but he will comfortably sit inside the Saints best 22 rather than Sandringhams.
 
MightyMark said:
No doubting he will play, but just dubious about the prospect of him walking into his old role, when you have a lot of younger guys that you need to put work into.

No one is expecting much from the saints this year, and I don't think Fisher playing a cushy SC friendly role is going to be the difference between them winning and loosing.

He isn;t going to be around for their next premiership run, so why delay the development of younger players to let Fisher play free. He can be just as vital for them staying deep and directing traffic.
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Back to SHAKESPEARE 's point which I think you missed.

Alan Richardson #1 priority is wins on the board - the team needs to win for him to keep his job.

Therefore, Fisher will play that role if he is the best at it, he won't sacrifice a chance to win games early just to play young players. That will come later when they mathematically can't make finals.
 
Geelongs Menzel - can he return and play a big part? Huge risk.

Eagles Selwood - surely a POD after missing a fair few games last year and being in a tough price slot, will avg 100+ in a good wc team.

Crows Henderson - injury riddled 2014 but a good player that is efficient with the ball just needs to pick up a few more disposals then he used to.

Cartons Walker - I don't think many will pick him but he has a bit to prove as he's had a couple quiet years and we all know he is one of carltons most important players.

Cats Motlop - We all had a glance at his silk a couple years back, any chance of that coming back?
 
Yoda_ said:
Fisher is a smart intercept marking king at his best. why would they all of a sudden change his role? None of the guys you mentioned even remotely play the same role that Fisher players (Roberton, Shenton, Simpkin, Dempster if anyone) and he comfortably sits ahead of all 4 of these guys when he is fit and firing.

Just for the record, im not going with Sammy Fisher, think he wont ever get back to his best SC scoring days but he will comfortably sit inside the Saints best 22 rather than Sandringhams.
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Agreed, he is in their best 22, and agreed he is the best the saints have in that role. My only point is that I cant see him holding down the same amount of time within that role with other players coming through.

SnappyHappy said:
Back to SHAKESPEARE 's point which I think you missed.

Alan Richardson #1 priority is wins on the board - the team needs to win for him to keep his job.

Therefore, Fisher will play that role if he is the best at it, he won't sacrifice a chance to win games early just to play young players. That will come later when they mathematically can't make finals.
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Didn't miss it, just dont really agree with it.

Fisher played 7 games last year, with 1 win, so he was hardly the difference for them.

Fisher playing that role is not going to be the difference between the Saints winning and loosing. Fisher can be just as effective for the saints, and as important to their chances of winning by straying deep and directing the backs from their.

And I honestly cant see the saints offloading Richardson after his second year giving the team he has inherited. He has already brought him some quality, but he needs time to develop them. I wouldn't expect a much better showing from the Saints this year than last year, and there is nothing wrong with that. Richardson needs to show improvement in the playing squad, and show that they are moving forward, the natural progression of players like Billings, Dunstan, Newnes, Webster etc, should ensure a couple of extra wins. Plus they will have a fully fit Joey and Steven. They should win a couple more games, but it wont be because of Fisher.
 
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