POLL: Bucks or Malty

[Dick Tracy]

New here so hello to everyone.

Think it's a great time for Mick and the Club. Flag in the bank, that particular and very intense pressure removed and gets to enjoy a full tilt at the follow up. Would be very different I reckon if we'd missed out last year in GF1.

 

[magpiewarrior]

would rather Malty but they will go with Bucks

Either way can you imagine the news reports if Bucks takes over and we start to lose, our decision to replace Malty will laughed at, and then again if we keep Malty and we start to lose the same crap will fly out of the media
Fear of failure is a disastarous reason for any choice, only with the courage of our convictions can we win tough games and/or flags. I wouldn't want Bucks as coach at all if this was one of his traits (which we all know or should know, it is not.)
Or if the team keeps wining they will say it was nothing to do with the coach



what ever happens the media will attempt to have a go at us

Duh, well we wont know how to deal with that situation, will we?

 

[mattys123]

Gary Pert votes for Bucks.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/109293/default.aspx

“The situation today is exactly the same as when we announced it and that is Mick is going to coach for two years and Bucks will coach for three years after that.

“We believe and we are committed to a leadership plan we thought would bring the greatest success over a five-year period and we’re really happy how that’s going so far.”

Really just a response to the Leigh Matthews comments, which were just Leigh's opinion, but as Pert points out, are insignificant in regards to what will happen next season.

Bucks will be coach, lock it in Eddie.

 

[Frankie23]

Fresh ideas are needed to keep winning teams ahead of the pack and that is why Bucks will be coaching. He is contracted to coach next year and quite frankly it is a non-debate.

Would you rather see MM coach another year and potentially lose Bucks? Cause in 10-20 years when Bucks is still coaching the whole saga won't even be remembered.

And from MM's point of view, would you rather go out a B2B coach, or potentially like Worsfold, a legend down in the dumps...

 

[Smokin Pies]

Honestly either way I am sure Collingwood will be able to challenge for a third flag. Ideally it would be better if Buckley did the right thing by the club and step aside for one more year. I always felt two years as assistant was not enough. 3 years minimum should be what is required. We are talking about a leading club here not Richmond. I actually think there is a reasonable chance Buckley will step aside and let Mick have another go in 2012. After 3 challenges history has shown a change of coach is a healthy thing, which is why I envy Geelong. Even if they do change over though in 2012 I suspect the transition to be smooth. Malthouse will still be at the club and will be able to give Buckley a first hand account of where different players are at and the different things that have been tried and tested. Both men are acutely aware of where Collingwood is at on the development curve. I suspect Buckley to be open to Malthouses advice as Hird is to Bomber in 2012. Many seem to think having someone look over your shoulder is an irritation. Buckley is smart enough to know that is an extra source of knowledge and Mathouse is smart enough to keep his comments concise and to the point. Only the media really seems to find problems with this plan. Both Matlhouse and Buckley have the integrity to be flexible to do the right thing by the club if a change in the plan is best for the club.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Fresh ideas are needed to keep winning teams ahead of the pack and that is why Bucks will be coaching. He is contracted to coach next year and quite frankly it is a non-debate.

Would you rather see MM coach another year and potentially lose Bucks? Cause in 10-20 years when Bucks is still coaching the whole saga won't even be remembered.

And from MM's point of view, would you rather go out a B2B coach, or potentially like Worsfold, a legend down in the dumps...

This is what I don't get (I agree with you).

Who made the rule that says coaches aren't allowed to go out on top? How many coaches have ever been given this opportunity, ever?

99% of coaches get used up until they have nothing left to give and then dumped unceremoniously on their ass.

Did anyone stop to think that maybe Mick might like the chance to go out on top himself? Yes, he's admitted that AT FIRST, he wasn't sold on the idea, but in interviews I've seen/read, he seems to have come around on the idea of spending MUCH more time with his family and being able to go out as a potential back to back coach, but still be involved in helping the club he supported as a child continue to be successful.

It seems like a perfect way to go as far as I'm concerned. It's not like he;ll be taking a pay cut as director of coaching anyway.

 

[soreplums]

IMO even if going back to back we'd need some fresh ideas to continue being successful anyway.

totally agree. MM has had 12 years at the Pies. Done well. I wonder if we had someone like Buckley in the coaches box whether we would have gone further in September in previous years? But I agree. Time for a change.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Promises have been given, oaths have been taken (or in modern day parlance - contracts have been signed).

Regardless of any other arguments, to go and renege now on the deal would not only cost the club a monster load of $$$ - far, far more importantly it could rip the very fabric of club culture (its ethics of honesty and integrity built up over the last dozen years) apart.

The last thing we need is another debacle like what happened after McHale retired - which hopelessly divided the club into two hostile factions for nearly 50 years and cost us so many premierships.

 

[Smoky]

There were alot of strange persistant decisions that Mick used to stick with, at times alot of people, including myself thought cost us games.

Would Mick have made the same changes during game time last year if he didn't know his job actually had an expiry date on his contract. I actually think it helped us win the Flag.

In this poll I voted for Bucks.

 

[Swooop]

There were alot of strange persistant decisions that Mick used to stick with, at times alot of people, including myself thought cost us games.

Would Mick have made the same changes during game time last year if he didn't know his job actually had an expiry date on his contract. I actually think it helped us win the Flag.

I was a doubter of MM's game plan TBH.

Who knows after ten years if it was MM who finally got it right, or if Bucks had an influence.

I remember...was it first game of last season or season before, when Adelaide beat us and it appeared for all the world we were a better team but allowed them unfettered use of the corridor, McLeod off half back I recall, they beat us because our game plan looked terrible.

However, i am a believer that you can't argue with success, and also that a chemistry has now been formed.

If, and only if, MM/Bucks wins again this year, then I think you'd be crazy not to look at the prospect of going round again.

Having said that, to avoid the debacle that jonbe54 correctly spoke of, it could only come about, if Bucks himself, was the initiator of the contract review, and then of course, if MM was happy to continue on.

FWIW, I think MM will be the best coach he's ever beeen this year.

Clearly winning this flag has taken a ten tonne weight off his shoulders, he's so much more at peace with himself, and the world, is likely communicating at a superior level due to this, and hence also is likely to be coaching like he has never coached before, both in terms of effectiveness and enjoyment wise.

But for the club to come to Bucks and say we want you to step aside, no way, not on at all.

 

[Go_Brad_Dick]

Bucks will be a way better coach than malthouse...
don't care if we go back to back, ill be happy to see Bucks take over..

 

[HFF]

Interesting article in the HUN this morning highlighting Mick has ramped up his media committments for this year with SEN, the Australian and now on One HDs program "The Game Plam".

Seems like Ch10 are keen to get Malthouse involved beyond this year in the media and it could be a sign that Mick is content with doing media/coaching director role.

Also mentions Mick about wanting to watch his grandkids grow up.

 

[daics cousin]

I have been thinking a lot about the change over.

If Mick can get us to another flag then great,but my worry is that we need to keep Mick,cause here is what is worrying me.

I have no doubt that Bucks will be a great coach,but if Malthouse decides to leave then if it was only Malthouse leaving then ce la vie.

But if MALTHOUSE goes i bet he will want to take,David Buttifant,our great conditioning coach,and Hine our great recruiter with him,not to mention great assistants in Neeld,and watters.

Don't forget Buttifant got our players up for the second grand final,and Hine has been a revelation in recruiting our team this could affect us.

So some how we must keep malty on as director of coaching.

 

[HFF]

Relax there daics, there's no way Butters, Hine, Watters and Neeld will leave Collingwood unless they were given senior coaching positions. They would be handsomely paid assistants at our football club.

Also note, Mick is no longer the Australian coach for the IR series.

Is this position something that is rotated every 2yrs?

If not, perhaps another sign from Mick indicating the time may be right for him to bow out on top.

 

[Go_collingwood_]

lets push another premiership coach out after all it will only give us 10 years bad luck!

does anyone remember leigh mathews? we got rid of him after winning us a flag and he went to brisbane and won 3 more!!!!!!!!!

remember his great apprentice tony shaw? man he was great only won us a spoon.

buckley and malthouse remind me of this situation happening again

 

[AbdulAyubbi333]

We have Bucks and Malt at the moment so we are in a good position. This whole thing has just been created by Lethal Leigh Matthews who is bitter about getting sacked and is trying to unsettle the club because he sees that Pies have the potential to break his Brisbane Lions premiership streak.

 

[mattys123]

We have Bucks and Malt at the moment so we are in a good position. This whole thing has just been created by Lethal Leigh Matthews who is bitter about getting sacked and is trying to unsettle the club because he sees that Pies have the potential to break his Brisbane Lions premiership streak.

You mean the premiership streak we broke in 1927-1930.

But yes, Matthews does seem a little bitter towards Collingwood, strange really as he was one of our biggest "backers" in terms of our premiership chances last season.

 

[AbdulAyubbi333]

You mean the premiership streak we broke in 1927-1930.

But yes, Matthews does seem a little bitter towards Collingwood, strange really as he was one of our biggest "backers" in terms of our premiership chances last season.

Oh yeah, sorry I forgot about that streak.

But yeah, Lethal Leigh seems really bitter about our success. Maybe he has realised how strong our list is and we probably can dominate competition for at least next 5 years which would really eclipse any other team that has gone before in terms of achievement.

 

[daics cousin]

I hope what i am about to say will silence everyone.

The Collingwood football club have signed, sealed, delivered both Buckley and Malthouse i kid you not.The pies have done their homework
behind the scenes don't worry about that.

Here's why !


At the end of 2009,MALTHOUSE was in the senior job at collingwood for 10 years with no premiership success.He was nearly given the flick.
Because if all was left up to Malthouse we would still have the likes of Obree,fraser, the old stallwarts still playing and NO premiership.

The pies signed him to a 5 year deal 2 years of coaching at senior level and three as a director of coaching.They wanted to look after him.
Buckley was signed as an assistant for 2 years and as Malthouse's successor for 3 .

The pies told Malthouse to sign a few ready made players so we can have a strong go at a flag.Our deficiencies for years were our Ruck options and
our midfield.We lost 2-3 flags beacuse those deficiencies were not addressed,by malthouse.(2002-2003) and possibly 2007
But knowing he had 2 years left and pressure to perform,Mlathouse finally went after JOLLY and BALL.

Coupled with a very young, strong willed side and some experience in key areas, and buckley's tweeking of our forward staructure and Malthouse's old game plan the result was PREMIERSHIP success.
Now we have the belief and the side to go back to back to back,serious injuries aside.

So yes Buckley will be coaching fropm next year,and we want Malthouse to stay but if he decides to go any other club must pay out his existing
contract which is in the vicinity of 3 MILLION DOLLARS.

So if he stays great and if he goes we will get compensated very well.

So hopefully that clears up everyone's inuendos.

 

[jonbe54]

Not likely to daics some peeps just gotta bitch about something.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

People shouldn't be so worried about 'losing' Malthouse.

Please don't underestimate Buckley's involvement in that flag.

It simply cannot be a coincidence that Malthouse couldn't grab a flag in 11 years, and then the SAME year Buckley returns to the club, takes over the forward line, Collingwood 'revolutionises' forward line play and wins a flag.

I simply refuse to believe that's a coincidence, and from the footy I've been watching so far, some of the media are starting to notice this as well.

Buckley would have had a lot more to do with that flag than people give him credit for. Personally, I think we'll become a BETTER side under Go-, I mean Nathan.

This Malthouse/buckley coaching scenario is fascinating...

Both were tough uncompromising football players...both are now exemplary professional coaches...that demand football excellence...and who are respected by their peers...who would not want either as coach..?!?..

Malthouse with grand final wins and years of football experience and knowledge...buckley a brownlow winner and astute student of the modern game..

One of the questions you would have to ask is who of the two will take collingwood deeper and further towards more Grand Final victories?!?!...thats a difficult question...

This current magpie team it would be fair to say is malthouses...as coach he would have had imput as to the type of players recruited...

Even bucks alluded to that fact when he coached in the NAB...it was like driving someone elses new car with them watching you from the back seat......

I cannot help but agree with you Shpesal that buckleys contribution to the pies forward line propelled them towards the 2010 GF...it is no coincidence!...

Rd 9 2010...pies play the cats...pies hit the cats in the first quarter with the old malthouse physical approach...harry o'brien goes ballastic...its tough footy...as well the pies still play the old malthouse game plan of switching flanks to attack...they lose...

Between rd 9 and the granny the pies forward plan is tweaked and tweaked...by buckley and they win...

Big problem...great problem for the collingwood admin...i suspect they were not expecting a GF win under malthouse...but under buckley!...

Nevertheless collingwood does a hawthorn and wins the 2010 GF....

What now..?!?

Both men are honourable and have integrity... the question for buckley is this then...'if' malthouse wins the 2011 GF with collingwood would buckley feel comfortable to have malthouses team handed to him by the collingwood admin...

Its a difficult question...and i think the answer lies in either bucks refusing the coaching role if malthouse wins the 2011 GF as matthews/barrassi both alluded to...or Malthouse leaves to coach elsewhere...maybe melbourne...all the same i find it fascinating......

 

[ButchEd8]

Nevertheless collingwood does a hawthorn and wins the 2010 GF....

You were going OK until this! What bulldust! We were the best team all year. We didn't pinch it on the day using dodgy rushed behind tactics. Now bugger off to your own board!

 

[Swooop]

This Malthouse/buckley coaching scenario is fascinating.....

Both men are honourable and have integrity... the question for buckley is this then...'if' malthouse wins the 2011 GF with collingwood would buckley feel comfortable to have malthouses team handed to him by the collingwood admin...

Its a difficult question...and i think the answer lies in either bucks refusing the coaching role if malthouse wins the 2011 GF as matthews/barrassi both alluded to...or Malthouse leaves to coach elsewhere...maybe melbourne...all the same i find it fascinating......

The other thing that could possibly happen, is that Bucks may make the offer to step aside ( IF and only if, we go B2B ) and then MM says 'No, it's your turn' which is quite conceivable.

All things considered, I think it's a 90% chance or higher, Bucks will be coach next year

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

You were going OK until this! What bulldust! We were the best team all year. We didn't pinch it on the day using dodgy rushed behind tactics. Now bugger off to your own board!

I didnt say you piched it...and your right you were the best team in 2010...

 

[Swooop]

I didnt say you piched it...and your right you were the best team in 2010...

Yeah I didn't take offence at the ''doing a hawthorn", though my first impression was like ButchEd8, maybe, you were implying we just played a great game on the day, but maybe weren't the best team over the year.

But seeing the rest of the post was exceptionally well thought out, you easily in my mind, got the benefit of the doubt.

Nice post and thanks for clearing up any doubts.