AFLW Port Adelaide AFLW (Team to enter in 2022 season)

[EskimoPAFC]

Believe me, it's not lost on us. Hatchard in particular would be a enormous loss and seems one of the more likely gets for you guys. Marinoff, (Sarah) Allan and Randall are also irreplaceable but they seem less likely to leave.

Then there are the players who aren't in the top tier pay bracket at the Crows but would be elsewhere, the likes of Eloise Jones, Ashleigh Woodland, etc. Those are always a chance of leaving - Chloe Scheer leaving last year is a good example.

It's also not clear whether winning three flags will help the Crows to retain players (because they want to stay as part of that winning group) or do the opposite (because they won't feel like they're leaving unfinished business behind).

Finally, there are the players not getting a game for the Crows who will see opportunities at Port (and other expansion clubs). Obviously I'm hoping that most of the players the Crows lose come from that last group, but I'm not confident.


While I'm here, congrats on signing Lauren Arnell as your coach. She was a very good player and it's great to see the first senior coach who is a former AFLW player!

I would have thought you guys would be doing everything to retain Woodland - arguably the best forward in the AFLW in 2022 no? Would absolutely love her at Port

 

[cmndstab]

I would have thought you guys would be doing everything to retain Woodland - arguably the best forward in the AFLW in 2022 no? Would absolutely love her at Port

She was certainly vital to our structure this year. She kicked 21 goals, our next best was Ponter and Phillips with 8 each. We would be pretty desperate to keep her.

The problem is, there are only supposed to be two tier 1 players on your list, and six tier 2 players. Technically you can play with those numbers (up to a maximum of three tier 1 players) but there is an overall salary cap, so if you add to the higher tiers, then you also need to push more players down into the bottom tier.

In the standard model, the bottom 16 (out of 30) players on your list are tier 4. I wouldn't be surprised if Woodland was one of them, since she was not nearly as dominant in 2021. Being the competition's leading goalscorer, she will expect to move up to at least tier 2, which means someone else has to move down. I guess if Phillips leaves there will be at least one more spot up there.

There will be a bunch of tier 3/4 players at the Crows who will be looking to move up to tier 2, particularly with salaries set to rise over the next few years. At the moment the difference between tier 3 and tier 2 is only a few grand, but if the AFLPA gets their wish the salaries will double or triple over the next few years, and suddenly that difference might be $10k.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

She was certainly vital to our structure this year. She kicked 21 goals, our next best was Ponter and Phillips with 8 each. We would be pretty desperate to keep her.

The problem is, there are only supposed to be two tier 1 players on your list, and six tier 2 players. Technically you can play with those numbers (up to a maximum of three tier 1 players) but there is an overall salary cap, so if you add to the higher tiers, then you also need to push more players down into the bottom tier.

In the standard model, the bottom 16 (out of 30) players on your list are tier 4. I wouldn't be surprised if Woodland was one of them, since she was not nearly as dominant in 2021. Being the competition's leading goalscorer, she will expect to move up to at least tier 2, which means someone else has to move down. I guess if Phillips leaves there will be at least one more spot up there.

There will be a bunch of tier 3/4 players at the Crows who will be looking to move up to tier 2, particularly with salaries set to rise over the next few years. At the moment the difference between tier 3 and tier 2 is only a few grand, but if the AFLPA gets their wish the salaries will double or triple over the next few years, and suddenly that difference might be $10k.

Thanks, this is massively helpful. Still trying to get my head around the whole model.

So what potentially ends up happening for a Woodlands type is that hypothetically the Crows offer her tier 2, but Sydney or Port are willing to make her tier 1. Interesting times ahead.

 

[cmndstab]

Thanks, this is massively helpful. Still trying to get my head around the whole model.

So what potentially ends up happening for a Woodlands type is that hypothetically the Crows offer her tier 2, but Sydney or Port are willing to make her tier 1. Interesting times ahead.

Exactly, yes. Or even you might offer a player tier 2 when we only offer tier 3, etc.

One wrinkle in all this is that the latest CBA isn't announced yet. It's being negotiated right now. So it's not clear yet if the number of players in each tier structure will change, what the new salaries will be, etc.

Another wrinkle is that some players have contracts which last beyond this year, but they can choose to break their contract if they opt to be an expansion signing. So for example, I know Marinoff's contract lasts until the end of next season. I don't know if she's tier 1, but there's a good chance she is. She was chased pretty hard by St Kilda last year, and this year she's done a bunch of media work, so my guess is we made her tier 1 and offered her extra salary to do media work for us. If so, then that's a tier 1 spot locked away that we can't offer anyone else this year. The thing with tier 1 spots is that you're allowed to pay them pretty much whatever you want, outside of the salary cap, as long as you find extra work for them to do (media, coaching, etc). So there is a big benefit to being tier 1.

Meanwhile, Hatchard is also signed until the end of next season. I wouldn't be surprised if Hatchard is tier 2 (although I don't know for sure). She could be looking at Port and saying, well, if I go there now I get to break my contract and immediately walk into a tier 1 spot, which could mean tens of thousands of dollars extra cash.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Believe me, it's not lost on us. Hatchard in particular would be a enormous loss and seems one of the more likely gets for you guys. Marinoff, (Sarah) Allan and Randall are also irreplaceable but they seem less likely to leave.

I was thinking more a long the Facebook crowd and those that are responding to comments in news media. Seem to be quite oblivious to the prospect of Adelaide losing more than just Erin Phillips to Port Adelaide with the new expansions.

They're also probably unaware of how much the Victorians clubs have also been pushing for Port Adelaide to get into the league just to water down the advantage that Adelaide have with nearly unfettered access to South Australian talent.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

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**** that's painful.

 

[VineValerian]

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fu** that's painful.

Thinking not too many "stars" will be coming to Port.
Might be best to target up and coming types, who are one or two years from their prime, and letting a young side gel together rather than try for an immediate powerful team.

 

[Rexie J]

Thinking not too many "stars" will be coming to Port.
Might be best to target up and coming types, who are one or two years from their prime, and letting a young side gel together rather than try for an immediate powerful team.

Yep, probably the best move. Build a team rather than buy a team.

 

[radiojake]

Now just keep away from Eloise Jones and Sarah Allen and then you can have anyone else

 

[Garibaldi Red]

 

[Ljc_86]

Still shits me we went China over this. I’m legit excited for this hopefully we can get a decent team together

 

[GremioPower]

Still shits me we went China over this. I’m legit excited for this hopefully we can get a decent team together

China was the right call. This have been discussed a lot already.

It wasn’t supposed to be an either/or call, but the AFL forced our hand. They decided to start the competition some years earlier than planned, and we weren’t ready for it.

On top of it, the Crows played it really well. It wasn’t a simple task, but they’ve found a way of making their team possible. We may not have done it, even if we wanted to.

Considering the circumstances at the time, taking the China path was a no-brainer.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Not men’s. It’s “main”. The category is open. Women’s is restricted.

Is this still true?

 

[GremioPower]

Is this still true?

Which part?

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Which part?

Is AFL still open or is it men's only?

I know historically it was open but thought it was closed now. Could be wrong.

 

[GremioPower]

Is AFL still open or is it men's only?

I know historically it was open but thought it was closed now. Could be wrong.

Forbidding a team to field a woman would be ridiculously stupid.

 

[backtozero]

China was the right call. This have been discussed a lot already.

It wasn’t supposed to be an either/or call, but the AFL forced our hand. They decided to start the competition some years earlier than planned, and we weren’t ready for it.

On top of it, the Crows played it really well. It wasn’t a simple task, but they’ve found a way of making their team possible. We may not have done it, even if we wanted to.

Considering the circumstances at the time, taking the China path was a no-brainer.

It was the right call at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight I don't think there's anything wrong with someone saying they wished we had prioritised AFLW instead.
To say otherwise would be to declare the China strategy as a complete success and I don't know how you'd be able to spin that.
Fact of the matter is, we got left behind with AFLW and that's a real shame.

 

[GremioPower]

… with the benefit of hindsight I don't think there's anything wrong with someone saying they wished we had prioritised AFLW instead. To say otherwise would be to declare the China strategy as a complete success

Nope. It is not that at all. We don’t have the benefit of hindsight on what would have happened if we had chosen the AFLW.

Why should we assume it would have been successful?

 

[backtozero]

Nope. It is not that at all. We don’t have the benefit of hindsight on what would have happened if we had chosen the AFLW.

Why should we assume it would have been successful?

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Now compare to what we ultimately got out of the China experiment.

 

[GremioPower]

AFLW: State Government funding boost

Adelaide’s AFLW team and the Club’s grassroots programs have been boosted by State Government funding

www.afc.com.au

Lions secure final $15m funding for new training, AFLW base

Brisbane will have a new training venue that will also host the club's AFLW and NEAFL games

www.afl.com.au

AFLW Latest News - AFL.com.au/aflw

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www.womens.afl

Funding to make Sydney Swans women’s team a reality

The Sydney Swans’ vision for an AFLW team will be realised after the Federal Government committed $15 million funding to the new Sydney Swans HQ and Community Centre.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

Now compare to what we ultimately got out of the China experiment.

What does make you think we would have gotten the same amount of money or put it in a good use? What if the team was a humongous failure? Couldn’t it be seen as a burden?

Meanwhile, the China venture would be only an expectation. Should we take the experiences from soccer and basketball as parameters? “Look what we have lost!”

 

[backtozero]

What does make you think we would have gotten the same amount of money or put it in a good use? What if the team was a humongous failure? Couldn’t it be seen as a burden?

Meanwhile, the China venture would be only an expectation. Should we take the experiences from soccer and basketball as parameters? “Look what we have lost!”

Why would it be a humongous failure when every club running a women's team has received incentives to do so?

What became of the China experiment that you could say was a success?

 

[GremioPower]

The incentives would be measured in relation with the team. “We exist to win premierships.” If we were perennial woodenspooners, the money wouldn’t mean much.

Besides, it’s not even certain that we would have gotten a license. We could have been without both China and AFLW.

 

[backtozero]

The incentives would be measured in relation with the team. “We exist to win premierships.” If we were perennial woodenspooners, the money wouldn’t mean much.

Besides, it’s not even certain that we would have gotten a license. We could have been without both China and AFLW.

How does China help us win premierships?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

How does China help us win premierships?

$$$$ help you win premierships to spend how you want. That was the lure of China.

Government funding for women's facilities that also help the blokes but are restricted for what they are used for doesn't necessarily mean they help us win a premiership. We've got our share of government largess $15m from the feds an $1.5m from the state government.

Anyway it was never China or an AFLW team. It was always China or nothing.

 

[Ford Fairlane]