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Confidence - or more accurately...a lack thereof. Confidence is a force multiplier. When you have it you can appear to be unstoppable - without it, it can become infectious and nothing seems possible.
I also think we may have got our pre-season a little wrong. We looked flat and tired at times early on which resulted in a couple of losses, a couple of losses leads to doubt and lack of belief. Doubt and lack of belief lead to a crisis of confidence. The body responds to what the mind believes and perceives. Just need to find a circuit breaker - 2016 can be an opportunity for a "new start" providing that circuit breaker.
I'm quite confident 2015 is the year we needed to have - but even more confident 2016 will see a strong return to finals for our proud club.
Keep the faith.
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Good post as far as handling personnel
Myself I believe we got beaten by a team that played the way we played last year
So what happened over the off season?
What did we change?
Did Voss bring some elements that have slowed us down?
Has our game plan been found out?
( but it still works for the bullies)
The fault seems to be in our transition from the back to the gold line
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For the past two years, we virtually had zero injuries. Our best 22 played pretty much every game, and they got to know each other well. Because of that, they looked premiership quality.
Fast forward to this year, and tell me where the continuity in the team is? We're now giving games to the depth that didn't get a chance to develop in those formative years. Instead of Carlile, we're playing Clurey. Instead of Polec, we're playing Young. Instead of Wines, we're playing Moore. Instead of Jonas, we're playing Krakouer/O'Shea. Instead of Monfries, we're playing Colquhoun.
Then you've got the drop in form of guys like Ebert, Schulz, Westhoff - remember when we thought Ryder would unleash him? - Trengove. Players who seem to be more concerned about external forces and allowing them to influence their game.
In 2006, Geelong had their review. And one of the key components of that review was players being open and honest with each other. Ablett's teammates told him that he coasted too much and that they needed him to put more effort in. If we have a similar review, what would they say?
Someone posted about how Wingard went troppo at Moore for not picking up a spare player in the Bulldogs forward line. My question is, why didn't Wingard? Why didn't he set a good example at the bounce and do the job that Moore supposedly had to do? Or are such tasks only fit for shit kicker players and not a "superstar" like Chad? Ask yourself if any premiership player, on seeing something wrong with the structure on the field, would delegate the responsibility of fixing it to a player who isn't a permanent fixture of the 22? That exchange is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the team at the moment.
It's this "I'm too good and valuable to do the defensive side of the game" that has hurt us this year. Our players have drunk their own bath water, and Ken has expected them to figure out what is wrong because of the trust that they have built up over the past two years. But now it's time to deflate some egos and have them realise that true stars aren't those that look good when the team is playing shit, standing on the shoulders of their drowning teammates....but those that get under the water and lift them up because they have the skill and talent to do so.
Can it be fixed? Only if everyone buys in to the one in, all in mantra. If we've still got players who are looking for someone to blame rather than just going about the job in front of them and making things right on the next play, we'll keep treading water.
There's no "conspiracy", just like there is no "magic bullet". Ken believed in his players and they've let him down. That doesn't mean the club is in crisis - it just means that everyone needs to sit down and talk about what they want to achieve in football. If they are happy with being Facebook and Instagram heroes, running their side project businesses and generally acting like Crows players at their worst, then piss them off at the end of the year.
But if they want to win a premiership, the future starts with these next four games.
Fast forward to this year, and tell me where the continuity in the team is? We're now giving games to the depth that didn't get a chance to develop in those formative years. Instead of Carlile, we're playing Clurey. Instead of Polec, we're playing Young. Instead of Wines, we're playing Moore. Instead of Jonas, we're playing Krakouer/O'Shea. Instead of Monfries, we're playing Colquhoun.
Then you've got the drop in form of guys like Ebert, Schulz, Westhoff - remember when we thought Ryder would unleash him? - Trengove. Players who seem to be more concerned about external forces and allowing them to influence their game.
In 2006, Geelong had their review. And one of the key components of that review was players being open and honest with each other. Ablett's teammates told him that he coasted too much and that they needed him to put more effort in. If we have a similar review, what would they say?
Someone posted about how Wingard went troppo at Moore for not picking up a spare player in the Bulldogs forward line. My question is, why didn't Wingard? Why didn't he set a good example at the bounce and do the job that Moore supposedly had to do? Or are such tasks only fit for shit kicker players and not a "superstar" like Chad? Ask yourself if any premiership player, on seeing something wrong with the structure on the field, would delegate the responsibility of fixing it to a player who isn't a permanent fixture of the 22? That exchange is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the team at the moment.
It's this "I'm too good and valuable to do the defensive side of the game" that has hurt us this year. Our players have drunk their own bath water, and Ken has expected them to figure out what is wrong because of the trust that they have built up over the past two years. But now it's time to deflate some egos and have them realise that true stars aren't those that look good when the team is playing shit, standing on the shoulders of their drowning teammates....but those that get under the water and lift them up because they have the skill and talent to do so.
Can it be fixed? Only if everyone buys in to the one in, all in mantra. If we've still got players who are looking for someone to blame rather than just going about the job in front of them and making things right on the next play, we'll keep treading water.
There's no "conspiracy", just like there is no "magic bullet". Ken believed in his players and they've let him down. That doesn't mean the club is in crisis - it just means that everyone needs to sit down and talk about what they want to achieve in football. If they are happy with being Facebook and Instagram heroes, running their side project businesses and generally acting like Crows players at their worst, then piss them off at the end of the year.
But if they want to win a premiership, the future starts with these next four games.
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Stop setting up at stoppages as if we will win them, and get a plan or two for kick ins.
I like your oats Janus
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Most are signed up until end of 2017, by then salary cap will likely have increased easing the pressure.
I know this isn't a "review of the season" thread but for what it's worth, I believe we should not underestimate the psychological impact of having your confidence shaken so bad, that you start to question whether you are actually good enough to win.
I think that our demise started from the first game of the season where, for the first 10 or so minutes, our skills made Fremantle look positively second rate and this had the effect of re-enforcing in our players minds that the emphasis on skills pre-season, was going to make them a "cut above". Unfortunately, when Fremantle started to really dig in and work their guts out, we did not match them in that department and when the final siren went and we'd lost, that was a huge psychological blow to our players and it was evident right throughout the season, that we had lost our "feel" for the game.
Against Hawthorn at home, we played what was nearly the perfect quarter of football but when the siren went to end the first quarter, our blokes started to reflect instead of continue on and Hawthorn worked their way into the game and again, even though we won, our players still had doubts in their minds.
We showed our lack of maturity right throughout the season and it's no consolation, but this season has been another part of the learning process both for our players and our relatively inexperienced coach. It's another step towards being an AFL power: how big a step is dependant on how honest players and COACHES are.
I think that our demise started from the first game of the season where, for the first 10 or so minutes, our skills made Fremantle look positively second rate and this had the effect of re-enforcing in our players minds that the emphasis on skills pre-season, was going to make them a "cut above". Unfortunately, when Fremantle started to really dig in and work their guts out, we did not match them in that department and when the final siren went and we'd lost, that was a huge psychological blow to our players and it was evident right throughout the season, that we had lost our "feel" for the game.
Against Hawthorn at home, we played what was nearly the perfect quarter of football but when the siren went to end the first quarter, our blokes started to reflect instead of continue on and Hawthorn worked their way into the game and again, even though we won, our players still had doubts in their minds.
We showed our lack of maturity right throughout the season and it's no consolation, but this season has been another part of the learning process both for our players and our relatively inexperienced coach. It's another step towards being an AFL power: how big a step is dependant on how honest players and COACHES are.
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As I stated pre game, should play with a beer in his hand, he is totally taking the piss. This is elite level football, his attitude is so far from elite. This is repeat behaviour and a reflection on our lack of standards
Why? He rarely is
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I only heard the first quarter on radio and then bits of pieces of the rest of the match, but I recorded the telecast. Should I bother watching it, or just press the delete button?
Not a good reason though. They have done this most of the year and its loser mentality. Monfries is particularly bad at this
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He was playing the extra in defence and running into the square at the bounce apparently. The point isn't who is right and who is wrong, but about if you see something wrong, set a good example and go fix it instead of pointing like Chaplin for someone else to do it.
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The most disappointing aspect of this season so far is that I'm not sure what, if anything, the club, coaches, players can take out of this year outside of 'success can't be taken for granted'. Its almost a complete waste of a season on every level. What can we take into next year as "well we didnt make the finals, but we can take x, y, z into next year as a positive going forward"?
We've managed only 1 match into our 2nd string forward group of Butcher, Shaw, Harvey & Howard. That 1 match going to a player who is odds on to be delisted.
None of our 2nd string midfielders/smalls have cemented a spot in the side. Young, Moore, Amon, AhChee, Mitchell, S Gray, Neade, Colquhoun have all shown glimpses, they've all played at least 1 game that has been to a very good standard, but none have consolidated that and shown any consistent form.
Down back Clurey looks a real find and ready to play every week...but he's not kicking Carlile, Trengove or Hombsch out of the side. Can he play as that 4th defender capable of playing on medium or small forwards? Hope so.
What can we take into next year apart from Clurey being ready to go? We really needed to say "well we stuffed up the year, missed the finals, but hey, Neadey had a 30 goal year/AhChee played 20 games and takes pressure off Boak & Wines/Harvey got a dozen games/Sam Gray looks like the 2nd coming of Ablett".
But we got nothing. Zip. We'll go into next year still saying "Well I hope one of Moore or Young or Arch can cement himself in the side/I hope Neadey or Gray can become that crumbing small forward we need/I hope one of Shaw or Harvey or Howard can become somewhere near AFL standard".
It's like as a football club we've been in a coma for 2014. Life has gone on around us, but we've been left behind.
We've managed only 1 match into our 2nd string forward group of Butcher, Shaw, Harvey & Howard. That 1 match going to a player who is odds on to be delisted.
None of our 2nd string midfielders/smalls have cemented a spot in the side. Young, Moore, Amon, AhChee, Mitchell, S Gray, Neade, Colquhoun have all shown glimpses, they've all played at least 1 game that has been to a very good standard, but none have consolidated that and shown any consistent form.
Down back Clurey looks a real find and ready to play every week...but he's not kicking Carlile, Trengove or Hombsch out of the side. Can he play as that 4th defender capable of playing on medium or small forwards? Hope so.
What can we take into next year apart from Clurey being ready to go? We really needed to say "well we stuffed up the year, missed the finals, but hey, Neadey had a 30 goal year/AhChee played 20 games and takes pressure off Boak & Wines/Harvey got a dozen games/Sam Gray looks like the 2nd coming of Ablett".
But we got nothing. Zip. We'll go into next year still saying "Well I hope one of Moore or Young or Arch can cement himself in the side/I hope Neadey or Gray can become that crumbing small forward we need/I hope one of Shaw or Harvey or Howard can become somewhere near AFL standard".
It's like as a football club we've been in a coma for 2014. Life has gone on around us, but we've been left behind.
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If the coaching group can't take out of season 2015 that Lobbe is not the future as our leading ruckman then we will deserve what we get in 2016.
Unless he is playing injured, which I doubt, then he is one of our core issues. Would love to see what we could do with Ryder in the ruck and Dixon up forward.
Unless he is playing injured, which I doubt, then he is one of our core issues. Would love to see what we could do with Ryder in the ruck and Dixon up forward.
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And the drop-off in form of some of the bigger name players really hurt us. First and foremost is Jonas. He's a shadow of the player we saw last year. Other notable mentions are Schulz, Lobbe and Trengrove. There are others you could name. If enough of your top-liners under-perform, you can't expect your second liners to make-up for the shortfall.
And what do you expect some of these social media hero's to say when its put to them ? , sack me ? , I doubt it ! Some have played KH for a fool , and to an extent he has been , if the club can work out who , then piss em off.
We keep going over it again and again , and rightly so , but who of Ebert , Trengrove , and the others payed any price ? , a defender and another player for a 1 week spell that's who , not 1 not even 1 of the regular midfielders was held to book , that's why some are disgruntled and are questioning KH , another half a season like this and it will be bye-bye I reckon.
I think we can keep a core group of players but need to be brutal about who we keep when the cut comes at seasons end. I believe how we perform next year and in the coming years is more about who we keep than who we draft.
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