Autopsy Preseason 2022: Collingwood v Hawthorn, Morwell, 3.30pm 25th February

[Strapping Young Lad]

Given how McEvoy was moving today, perhaps not

That's ok, if BigBoy doesn't play we can just get one of the VC's to captain.....oh, wait.......

 

[Dewyyyyy]

No Hardwick. Who’s Hardwick backup?

The twos talls made marking look easy. Firest not so much

Dimma played.

 

[Wingnut19]

Omeara, Mitchell, Newcome, McGuiness, Worple, Sheils, Nash

They will all have a go and are good role players but bundled together they are an entire midfield with not one player with elite foot skills (or breakaway pace). It will only lead to mediocrity.

Could Bramble play as a rover? Geez we need to do something different in there.

The kids will hopefully come on, but that takes time. We will need patience.

Yep.
This is and has been our biggest problem for a while now. Out of those 7 we can prob only to afford to play 4. They are all too similar. Newcombe and worps are the first two I pick. Then I'm not sure after that, I am just so out on the Mitchell and O'meara combo. They are a hard watch, its been going on too long.

 

[hfc70]

Tsatas.

 

[Brishawk]

I have only arched the first 3.5 quarters but from what I saw…

I appreciate our skills were not good but we do so much to put ourselves under pressure. Firstly, we put the pies under no pressure so their ball use looked amazing. When we did get the ball, we were instantly under pressure. Had we put them under pressure from the start their turnovers would have allowed us to get free players and take the pressure off of our skills. Pressure is usually easily fixed. Newk was the only inside mid putting pressure on at anything like the level we need.

Backline look vulnerable after a turnover and often with ball on ground. Too many who are not quite good at it. Looked better when Hardwick came on. I think we don’t want more than three of sic, hartigan, frost, dgb…and maybe even scrim in the backline at the same time.

Still too many times we all go ball. And even when we win it, no one thinks to get on the move or put some space between themselves and the person with the ball (or who will get the ball next). So too often our handballs don’t release a player into space and cause us to make a series of rapid handballs u til we throw it on the boot or turn it over. Just have to do better at getting it to players outside the contest.

I thought bramble provided run but used it poorly. Sic looked a bit rusty.

Loved what I saw from newk, ward and MacDonald. Highlights from many players but just not enough consistency across the board. Bring on next week.

 

[I got the outside word]

Sorry if it’s been asked, but is there a replay anywhere? Can’t find it on Kayo. Avoided all social media so I could watch it later but it doesn’t exist?

 

[thehardway]

Given how McEvoy was moving today, perhaps not

Yep. He wasn’t alone though. JOM, Tom, and Jack struggled as well. But they have runs on the board and hopefully just some pre-season rust.

 

[chopflop]

Some early worrying signs for me with DGB. Nothing to do with body shape but rather one-on-one defending and positioning. He lost his man a number of times and overran the footy in marking contests on a few others (cardinal sin as a defender). Saw it a few times last year also and thought hmmm. Still early, I know, but I am seeing him more as a zoning Sicily type rather than a pure 1 v 1 lockdown back.

 

[Pessimistic]

Dimma played.

Not when Elliott ran free. Who was on him. Frost? He’s not stratton obviously

 

[rick_422]

Jacks back!
Took some shots from the first half. Posted a few on my Insta! feel free to check them out! Likes and follows appreciated!

 

[threesixpio]

Sorry if it’s been asked, but is there a replay anywhere? Can’t find it on Kayo. Avoided all social media so I could watch it later but it doesn’t exist?

It was a bit of a shit fest. Don’t bother and watch the next one I say

 

[I got the outside word]

It was a bit of a sh*t fest. Don’t bother and watch the next one I say

I’m committed. I need this.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Not when Elliott ran free. Who was on him. Frost? He’s not stratton obviously

No Bramble played on him for a fair bit actually, Sic gave away a free floating on him.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Not when Elliott ran free. Who was on him. Frost? He’s not stratton obviously

Dimma played after the main team, not sure why tbh.

 

[MrPremiership]

I think the starting defence was

Hartigan
Frost
Scrimshaw
Sicily
DGB
Bramble
Morrison

Don't trust Hartigan, Frost and DGB by foot. Not sure that's the defence we should roll with. I'd be taking out one of Hartigan, Frost or DGB.

 

[Jaeger007]

How’d Jeka & kozzie go?

 

[Brishawk]

Some early worrying signs for me with DGB. Nothing to do with body shape but rather one-on-one defending and positioning. He lost his man a number of times and overran the footy in marking contests on a few others (cardinal sin as a defender). Saw it a few times last year also and thought hmmm. Still early, I know, but I am seeing him more as a zoning Sicily type rather than a pure 1 v 1 lockdown back.

His positioning is generally very attacking and it was one hell of a wind out there. Wouldn’t be judging a player like him on that game. He is going to get caught out from time to time playing like he does but he is also going to get a lot of intercept marks doing it. A bit like lake In That regard. He needs some time to find the right balance but he is a great student of the game and I’m confident he gets there.

 

[MrPremiership]

How’d Jeka & kozzie go?

Kossie didn't impact much early, but none of our forwards did really

Jeka didn't feature until very late. Not much of note.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I think the starting defence was

Hartigan
Frost
Scrimshaw
Sicily
DGB
Bramble
Morrison

Don't trust Hartigan, Frost and DGB by foot. Not sure that's the defence we should roll with. I'd be taking out one of Hartigan, Frost or DGB.

Yep, from that you'd add in Hardwick and out of those 3 Hartigan was the worst imo, we'll know more vs the Tiggies but.

I'd run with
Dimma, Frost, Sicily
Scrimshaw, DGB, Jiath

With Day to come back in, Bramble can rotate HB and Wing, Morrison looked pretty good and can rotate Wing and DEF with Impey also.

 

[MrPremiership]

His positioning is generally very attacking and it was one hell of a wind out there. Would be judging a player like him on that game. He is going to get caught out from time to time playing like he does but he is also going to get a lot of intercept marks doing it. A bit like lake In That regard. He needs some time to find the right balance but he is a great student of the game and I’m confident he gets there.

Agree with that.

Do you see him eventually being a FB, or more a Sicily like interceptor

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

I have only arched the first 3.5 quarters but from what I saw…

I appreciate our skills were not good but we do so much to put ourselves under pressure. Firstly, we put the pies under no pressure so their ball use looked amazing. When we did get the ball, we were instantly under pressure. Had we put them under pressure from the start their turnovers would have allowed us to get free players and take the pressure off of our skills. Pressure is usually easily fixed. Newk was the only inside mid putting pressure on at anything like the level we need.

Backline look vulnerable after a turnover and often with ball on ground. Too many who are not quite good at it. Looked better when Hardwick came on. I think we don’t want more than three of sic, hartigan, frost, dgb…and maybe even scrim in the backline at the same time.

Still too many times we all go ball. And even when we win it, no one thinks to get on the move or put some space between themselves and the person with the ball (or who will get the ball next). So too often our handballs don’t release a player into space and cause us to make a series of rapid handballs u til we throw it on the boot or turn it over. Just have to do better at getting it to players outside the contest.

I thought bramble provided run but used it poorly. Sic looked a bit rusty.

Loved what I saw from newk, ward and MacDonald. Highlights from many players but just not enough consistency across the board. Bring on next week.

Agree so much with Stoppage comment.

 

[A Diakos]

Omeara, Mitchell, Newcome, McGuiness, Worple, Sheils, Nash

They will all have a go and are good role players but bundled together they are an entire midfield with not one player with elite foot skills (or breakaway pace). It will only lead to mediocrity.

Could Bramble play as a rover? Geez we need to do something different in there.

The kids will hopefully come on, but that takes time. We will need patience.

what about ward and McDonald for something different ?
and Wingard

 

[Dewyyyyy]

How’d Jeka & kozzie go?

Jeka was pretty good in the VFL 2 quarters at the end, was hitting targets and showing his athleticism and talent. Kicked a couple i think but did kick inaccurately like everyone did.

Kossie was pretty quiet.


Jeka played a little in the 4th when we mixed the sides up a bit before the full VFL/Kid team rolled out.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

How’d Jeka & kozzie go?

Jeka got involved late. Took a nice makr streaming out at CHF, turned and put it on Lewis's chest.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Jeka was pretty good in the VFL 2 quarters at the end, was hitting targets and showing his athleticism and talent. Kicked a couple i think but did kick inaccurately like everyone did.

Kossie was pretty quiet.


Jeka played a little in the 4th when we mixed the sides up a bit before the full VFL/Kid team rolled out.

That was when Kayo was actually up, i suspect he may of kicked a couple while it was off, but when i came back i did see him miss 1-2? (before/after it) and he def kicked one, before that VFL/Kids 2 quarters he palmed one infront of himself, grabbed it turned around and bullet passed one to Lewis leading on his chest which was good to see, but yeah didn't see it all since Kayo quit.