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[can't mark can't kick]

Also the argument about new & unique nicknames didn't stop the Gold Coast Titans pinching an ex-NBL identity, or the Brisbane Bears taking the North Sydney mascot.
That tells me that Dolphins would be ok for the Gold Coasters.
I just hope they pick a better name than West Sydney for that club's main identity.
after all do we need another team with west in their name?

 

[SouthSwans]

'The Smelly Shits Football Club' for a 3rd team out of Adelaide.

 

[genghiskhan]

Also the argument about new & unique nicknames didn't stop the Gold Coast Titans pinching an ex-NBL identity, or the Brisbane Bears taking the North Sydney mascot.
That tells me that Dolphins would be ok for the Gold Coasters.
I just hope they pick a better name than West Sydney for that club's main identity.
after all do we need another team with west in their name?

The bears used a koala as an image, not a brown bear from the northern hemisphere. Furthermore, as neither the VFL or ARL had started much expansion, there wasn't much overlap in their markets.

The Titans no longer existed when the Gold Coast took the name. They couldn't prevent the Gold Coast taking the name because they didn't exist.

In regards to the Dolphins, in Queensland there is the Redcliffe Dolphins who harbour ambitions to play in the NRL. They were the ones that stopped the Gold Coast taking the name. If they wouldn't let an NRL team on the Gold Coast take the name, there is even less chance of them letting an AFL team on the Gold Coast take the name.

 

[cos789]

If they wouldn't let an NRL team on the Gold Coast take the name, there is even less chance of them letting an AFL team on the Gold Coast take the name.

FFS geecantgetitright , how many times does it have to be explained to you .
There are No GC Dolphins AFC in existance so the name is free .
There are no GC Dolphins in existance in any national competition .
So the name is free .

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[genghiskhan]

FFS geecantgetitright , how many times does it have to be explained to you .
There are No GC Dolphins AFC in existance so the name is free .
There are no GC Dolphins in existance in any national competition .
So the name is free .

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Or more accurately, how many times must I explain it to you. In regards to trademarks, they must be sufficiently different from those already in existence in specific classes, and assessments will be made in regards to whether they are different. Assessors will initially look at the application and make a judgment. If the applicant is unhappy, they can appeal. If they are still unhappy, a court case follows.

Again, I am feeling like I need finger puppets to communicate to one slow learner. You are obviously attached to the idea of having an AFL team called the Dolphins, so lets leave that issue for a while. Let's say soccer wanted to call their new west Sydney team the West Sydney Swans Soccer Club. Just because they have used the word 'west' and 'soccer' would not allow the new team to be sufficiently different from the Sydney Swans AFL club for the name to be registered. All that Sydney Swans would need to do is demonstrate that their branding would be confused by the new entry.

Now, I hope you can understand this. Admittedly, I have not had the benefit of finger puppets to communicate here, but you must give up on your dream to have the Gold Coast Dolphins in the AFL. Its not going to happen unless a significant sum of money is paid to Redcliff.

 

[cos789]

In regards to trademarks, they must be sufficiently different from those already in existence

So OK , you're saying the average rl punter can't distinguish (that encompasses sufficiently different) redcliff doplhins , gc dolphins , doplhins
, dophins rlfc and GC dolphoins AFC ,
Sorry I thought I was dealing with people with at least half a brain .

P.S. trademarks also have the feature of appearing visually different .
So different presentation , different colours and different design.
You can have a company called mcdonald's , you can have a company
whose colours are red and yellow and you can have a company using
the golden arch .But you probably couldn't use a combination of the two.

Again for the moron .
The only thing in common between the redcliffe dolphins rlfc
and a G.C. Dolphins AFC is the name "dolphin" .
The names are different .
The products are different .
The colours are different .
The design will be different .
The locations are different .

Again for the knowall moron .
They allow SGIO and GIO .
The State GIO and the GIO .
The names are similar .
The products are the same .
The colours are the same .
Only the "i" is different in design in the SGIO .
They are competing insurance companies .

It's not a problem get on with it .
It's just clariffication of a point of business law .
Personally , I favour the "Sharks" and believe that will win out .

 

[genghiskhan]

So OK , you're saying the average rl punter can't distinguish (that encompasses sufficiently different) redcliff doplhins , gc dolphins , doplhins
, dophins rlfc and GC dolphoins AFC ,
Sorry I thought I was dealing with people with at least half a brain .

P.S. trademarks also have the feature of appearing visually different .
So different presentation , different colours and different design.
You can have a company called mcdonald's , you can have a company
whose colours are red and yellow and you can have a company using
the golden arch .But you probably couldn't use a combination of the two.

Again for the moron .
The only thing in common between the redcliffe dolphins rlfc
and a G.C. Dolphins AFC is the name "dolphin" .
The names are different .
The products are different .
The colours are different .
The design will be different .
The locations are different .

Again for the knowall moron .
They allow SGIO and GIO .
The State GIO and the GIO .
The names are similar .
The products are the same .
The colours are the same .
Only the "i" is different in design in the SGIO .
They are competing insurance companies .

It's not a problem get on with it .
It's just clariffication of a point of business law .
Personally , I favour the "Sharks" and believe that will win out .

If you wish to state business law, refer to the law in question and that is trademarks. A trademark using the word McDonalds would be acceptable as long as it didn't operate in the classes that McDonalds the burger chain has its trademark registered in. It would also need to ensure that it is in no way gaining a benefit from any perceived association with McDonalds.

This was one of the issues with the Apple computers versus Apple record label dispute. The logos were always very different, they operated in different markets and they offered different products yet the court cases kept recurring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v._Apple_Computer

If you go to the site, you will notice that the colours and logo designs are very different. I'm sorry if you are losing face here, but deal with it and get over it.

As for the other examples that you posted, they are unique acronyms.

 

[jpdixon]

Cumberland Emus - avoids all the problems of "West Sydney" or more local names.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Cumberland - (as per the link) "... That's why we turned to the name of a highway and a railway line, the name applied as a county to the whole metropolitan area, but particularly to the plain covering most of the west. ..."

OK, I get the idea, sounds good in theory, but -

Is this name commonly known or used in Sydney (other than academics)? Is it a name the masses out West (and NW) could identify with?

 

[genghiskhan]

Cumberland Emus - avoids all the problems of "West Sydney" or more local names.

Logically I see where you are coming from, but my gut feeling is rejecting it. I associate Cumberland with a Hwy and I've never enjoyed driving on it.

 

[Paddy_Mac]

FFS is it just that i live in Victoria or is it really hard to find an appropriate place to propose the new West Sydney team.
If you can't place the team in already NRL locations. That elminates Penrith, Parramatta.
I refuse to propose Blacktown.
The only other place i can think of is Bankstown. Ground could be developed at Memorial Park. There is enough room there to develop stands. And there is already a ground there aswell. Oh FFS i forgot about the Bulldogs!!! Need Help.
Actually, looking at the Bulldogs on wikipedia. They're no longer based in Bankstown. Meaning it could be up for an AFL team. So i can continue. Other good things about Bankstown is that when you zoom in on NSW on Google Maps it's one of the main towns. Which is good. It's also considered in the west and not far away from ANZ stadium (which could be used for bigger games such as Sydney, Brisbane and Gold Coast).

 

[jbomb3000]

The Gold Coast Thunder

 

[Paddy_Mac]

The Gold Coast Thunder

Umm haven't you heard of the Port Adelaide Power.

 

[genghiskhan]

FFS is it just that i live in Victoria or is it really hard to find an appropriate place to propose the new West Sydney team.
If you can't place the team in already NRL locations. That elminates Penrith, Parramatta.
I refuse to propose Blacktown.
The only other place i can think of is Bankstown. Ground could be developed at Memorial Park. There is enough room there. Oh FFS i forgot about the Bulldogs!!! Need Help.

You need to consider the obstacles that you are working with. Rugby league exists in city and certain prejudices are associated with certain areas due to people's affinity with their rugby league teams. You would need to do some market research in order to ascertain how significant these prejudices are.

Of course, if you see the conversion of rugby league fans as a lost cause, the logical thing to do would be to call it Parramatta (something). Parramatta is near the geographic heart of Sydney and the region has lots of environmental and historical features that could be used to build the clubs image.

 

[Paddy_Mac]

You need to consider the obstacles that you are working with. Rugby league exists in city and certain prejudices are associated with certain areas due to people's affinity with their rugby league teams. You would need to do some market research in order to ascertain how significant these prejudices are.

Of course, if you see the conversion of rugby league fans as a lost cause, the logical thing to do would be to call it Parramatta (something). Parramatta is near the geographic heart of Sydney and the region has lots of environmental and historical features that could be used to build the clubs image.

I've just edited my post. Would Bankstown be an appropriate location for an AFL team?

 

[genghiskhan]

I've just edited my post. Would Bankstown be an appropriate location for an AFL team?

My immediate associations are with the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs, but they've now dropped Canterbury and Bankstown from their name.

Bankstown is a bit of a nothing place. A bit difficult to get to, and it wouldn't give you much to work with when trying to build an image. I think some sort of association has already been built with Blacktown council so I presuming that is where training will be, and perhaps the administration as well.

 

[Paddy_Mac]

My immediate associations are with the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs, but they've now dropped Canterbury and Bankstown from their name.

Bankstown is a bit of a nothing place. A bit difficult to get to, and it wouldn't give you much to work with when trying to build an image. I think some sort of association has already been built with Blacktown council so I presuming that is where training will be, and perhaps the administration as well.

So which location do you think they'll play AFL matches? I know ANZ stadium will be one for bigger matches. But what about for the smaller matches.

 

[genghiskhan]

So which location do you think they'll play AFL matches? I know ANZ stadium will be one for bigger matches. But what about for the smaller matches.

I don't know what the AFL has planned. I'm sure Stadium Australia would give them a good deal. I am guessing the Stadium is trying to develop a culture of getting Sydney siders to attend games by staging as many games as possible. (This is my guess for why South Sydney is playing there.)

The main concern with playing at the Stadium is that it looks bad on TV to have all the empty seats. The empty seats can also be used by anti-AFL people to attack the code. I remember when the Kangaroos played in Sydney, the headline was not how many were at the game (I think it was 12,000 or so) but how many seats were empty(28,000).

A lot of people in Sydney will want the team to fail and will use every possible angle to denigrate it. For this reason, if the proposed stadium at Blacktown is suitable for AFL matches, I'd say use it for all games for for a few years. Restrict supply to increase demand.

 

[jpdixon]

So which location do you think they'll play AFL matches? I know ANZ stadium will be one for bigger matches. But what about for the smaller matches.

There's already a deal to build a ground at Blacktown, but at 10,000 capacity I had the impression that all games would be at Homebush. The NRL already uses it with some seriously small crowds.

 

[Paddy_Mac]

I don't know what the AFL has planned. I'm sure Stadium Australia would give them a good deal. I am guessing the Stadium is trying to develop a culture of getting Sydney siders to attend games by staging as many games as possible. (This is my guess for why South Sydney is playing there.)

The main concern with playing at the Stadium is that it looks bad on TV to have all the empty seats. The empty seats can also be used by anti-AFL people to attack the code. I remember when the Kangaroos played in Sydney, the headline was not how many were at the game (I think it was 12,000 or so) but how many seats were empty(28,000).

A lot of people in Sydney will want the team to fail and will use every possible angle to denigrate it. For this reason, if the proposed stadium at Blacktown is suitable for AFL matches, I'd say use it for all games for for a few years. Restrict supply to increase demand.

Okay.
What name would you propose for the new NSW team?

 

[jpdixon]

Okay.
What name would you propose for the new NSW team?

The more I think about it, the more Cumberland seems the best option. Any other name is just going to alienate some without really drawing anyone in.

 

[genghiskhan]

I think Parramatta would give you the most to work with hen building an image.

 

[Paddy_Mac]

I think Parramatta would give you the most to work with hen building an image.

Yeh that was my first choice. But will they allow a team there?

 

[genghiskhan]

Yeh that was my first choice. But will they allow a team there?

It seems to be settled that it will be based in Blacktown. The question is whether it would be sensible to refer to a team based in Blacktown as Parramatta. It seems a bit illogical.

If you look at Parrammatta in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parramatta
you can see here would be plenty of imagery to work with.

 

[Paddy_Mac]

It seems to be settled that it will be based in Blacktown. The question is whether it would be sensible to refer to a team based in Blacktown as Parramatta. It seems a bit illogical.

If you look at Parrammatta in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parramatta
you can see here would be plenty of imagery to work with.

True it wouldn't make sense. But i think there would be issues with the name Blacktown.