Review PSD:- What do we think?

[Dramoth]

Am I happy with the draft results.

I am pleased that the club has spread the mix in the types of players and our positional selections. We have picked a 198cm tall forward type who with the correct training will be a right handful for any defenders out there. A couple of good midfielders and a potential KPP defender... then there is the ginger ruck rover type.

I think that Casboult will spend the year at FF playing for the ants and getting a lot of help with his leading capabilities and in 2011, he should start getting some runs in the seniors.

I reckon i will bookmark this thread and come back to it in 12 months and bump it so we can see where things are standing...

 

[waldo48]

Good point Waldo. It also means no one really can comment on anything to do with Carlton at all gamewise unless you are inside the MC or administration. If you do, you could be accused of being a keyboard expert on anything with a lack of inside club knowledge.

PS
This forum board wouldn't be much use then either because aside from ericpascoe and 1-2 others, no one else has real inside knowledge - they all have variations of game knowledge but not inside Carlton knowledge. And to be fair, BB and Jeremias and Harker all provide their analysis and thoughts from their keyboard without any inside Carlton knowledge. Are you saying you are sick of these experts because they dont have any inside knowledge yet purport to be experts?

Or is it all ok for those guys but not others depending who you are sucking up to?

No I am not saying that Einstein. If you think that suggesting that someone in a special position may have more knowledge about the Job requirements that they are being paid to do as opposed to someone whose only knowledge of the position and its requirements is second or third hand through various unsubstantiated comments and opinions is sucking up then I think you might have a perception problem.

I personally am just happy to wait and see what pans out.

I am just making the observation that some people have a fixation on certain players (who have been pumped up one way or another) and can't see past these players. By all means have your 2 bob's worth, that is what freedom of speech is all about.

However, the constant negative comments disparaging remarks about Hughes and the players he picks gets a bit wearing. The only people Hughes has to answer to is Club and the Board. If he gets it wrong then goodbye. As he hasn't been given the flick yet then it is reasonable to assume that the Club is happy with what he is doing.

My basic point is by all means have a comment, but let's give these players a chance and accept that Hughes and the Club have valid reasons (that may or may not be apparent to supporters or the Media) for the players they select and those they don't. Time will tell, so why not just relax and let things pan out.

One final point. Remember this the Rookie Draft (equivalent to about pick 120 -150 in the National Draft and the odds on any of these players being superstars are pretty high.

 

[Mister Carlton]

In amungst all the excitement about the new draftee's, we've almost all forgotten Aaron Kite. Thought he'd be a shoe in by the sounds of the training reports we were getting.

I'm interested in what happened...?

He didn't attend the last few training sessions.

 

[Alpha1]

Yes, what did happen to the flying Kite?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yes, what did happen to the flying Kite?

Cut him loose.

 

[Dramoth]

Umm the kite eating tree from 'The Peanuts' comics got him...

 

[jackoisno1]

Cut him loose.

Stuck in the tree

 

[Mister Carlton]

Stuck in the tree

Tree also got struck by lightning.

 

[Alpha1]

Kite crashed in flames?

 

[zeeCFC]

Kite crashed in flames?

Nuh just replaced by Josh Donaldson, but i can see how you made that mistake

 

[ianh]

Would have grabbed those choices with both hands if offerred them prior to the rookie draft. Rated Joseph Dare as the best non-recycled player available in this draft bar none and rankied him top-35 in the ND. Casboult I ranked at RD 37 (taken 44) abd Donaldson at RD 9 (taken 66 - a bargain!!!!). On the other hand I personally rated Cachia about round 3 RD and White out of calculations entirely (outside top 100 RD), but each brings something good to the table and skills the club needs (strong inside mid / defender on leading forwards) so I won't complain.

That said, if I'd been in charge of selections (heaven forbid!!!!) and the other clubs had picked as they did I'd have picked only Dare and Donaldson. I would, however, have been ecstatic with the players that were available at our picks - I'd have been able to pick the guys I ranked at RD1,2,3,5 and 6, although because of balance I'd have passed on taking RD5 and taken RD6 which would then have left the guy I ranked at RD9 (Donaldson) at RD 66 FWIW those selections would have been:

Round 1 Joseph Dare (my ranking RD1)
Round 2 Tom Hill (my ranking RD2)
Round 3 Matthew Panos (my ranking RD3)
Round 4 Tom MacKenzie (my ranking RD5, having decided not to take my RD4 Temel because we would already have taken 2 KF in Hill and Panos)
Round 5 Joshua Donaldson (my ranking RD9)
Round 6 Zac Tuohy (as committed).

Now if a recruiter came out after a draft and said that they'd grabbed their number 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 9 choices over 66 picks (much less that they'd have been able to get their no 4 choice if they wanted) you'd tell them to get their hand off it, it would simply be too hard to believe.

Still, I'm happy enough to not have Panos who has a bit of a FIGJAM reputation and a one-trick game that might not translate all that well to AFL, and to have Casboult in lieu of Hill and an inside mid (Cachia) and a defender on leading forwards (White) in lieu of Panos (leading fwd) and MacKenzie (running defender but not so much a man-marker as White).

TWO THUMBS UP!

 

[Mokum]

Really good work all round guys.

But now that you've all had a turn, and the biscuit is good and soggy, what do you think about our performance in the rookie draft?

thats a yeshiva thing kramer,

 

[glenroyboy]

speaking to aaron kite at the glenroy football club last night he seemed pretty dissapointed dont think he was to sure what happened trained well why he was there testesd well in the testing he was told to stop training becasue of the camp where it was more a game based camp and they could not take the risk of him going and they would call him before the rookie draft he said he didnt here a thing after it

 

[Blue and Silver]

speaking to aaron kite at the glenroy football club last night he seemed pretty dissapointed dont think he was to sure what happened trained well why he was there testesd well in the testing he was told to stop training becasue of the camp where it was more a game based camp and they could not take the risk of him going and they would call him before the rookie draft he said he didnt here a thing after it

Really? That sucks for Aaron. But maybe he will go back to playing more local footy and hope to get a reprieve next year

P.S. I used to play for Glenroy juniors how is the club doing?

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Recalibrate, I haven't even got warm yet. I am just sick to death of all these experts. I suppose it would be too much to suggest that perhaps Wayne Hughes and his recruiting department might know just a tad more than these computer based "experts" whose only knowledge of most of these players is a few newspaper articles, comments by people like Emma Quale and Matt Burgan and, the occasional You Tube Clip.

No, obviously they are full bottle with the Club's recruiting strategy, team requirements and long term goals. If this is case then I guess that Wayne Hughes, his team, Ratten, Icke and Swann can just rest easy, have a cup coffee and pick their pay cheques because all they have to do now is log on to Big Footy and all will be revealed to them.

Isn't this just wonderful!!!

This means nothing in terms of our success.

Apply that theory to say a Richmond or Fremantle recruiting departments and i'd say there's people on these forums who'd have made better jobs of selecting players for those clubs and having better success while doing it.

The whole "they are AFL recuiters they are infallible" theory seems to permiate through the BF ranks of those who swallow anything a club does as being the best thing for it.

When obviously the examples of those clubs above prove it's not.

 

[40yearBLUE]

This means nothing in terms of our success.

Apply that theory to say a Richmond or Fremantle recruiting departments and i'd say there's people on these forums who'd have made better jobs of selecting players for those clubs and having better success while doing it.

The whole "they are AFL recuiters they are infallible" theory seems to permiate through the BF ranks of those who swallow anything a club does as being the best thing for it.

When obviously the examples of those clubs above prove it's not.

Apply the theory that men cant bear a child and you have some idea why my uncle is not my aunty.

We are not Freo or Richmond and dont have their recruiting record. Our recent recruiting record stands up to comparison to any other club.

So what is your point exactly?

When you have some proof that WH recruiting method can be bettered, come back to us with it. And by that I don't mean retrospecting him. We can all do that.

 

[darknavy17]

Interesting fact is that all the posters give WH all the credit for any draft success.

Three years ago Dick Pratt bought in Shane Rogers to the recruiting team and Looking at WH drafting results he was sinking, now we have two full time recruiters, the drafting has got much better in fact in that time I think we have shown a major improvement.

Another major thing Dick Pratt has fixed.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Interesting fact is that all the posters give WH all the credit for any draft success.

Three years ago Dick Pratt bought in Shane Rogers to the recruiting team and Looking at WH drafting results he was sinking, now we have two full time recruiters, the drafting has got much better in fact in that time I think we have shown a major improvement.

Another major thing Dick Pratt has fixed.

A sure sign that the club is doing well when the comments start to become about the help WH is getting in doing such a great job. When we were not (or if we were not) the axe is always aimed at the head of department but when doing great, its dont forget the help he is getting, its not all his credit.

Sinking? 2005 Marc Murph, Josh Kennedy, Paul Bower, oh yes I see, Jake Edwards, yep sinking fast.

2006: Bryce Gibb, Shaun Hampson, Shaun Grigg, Mark Austin, oh yes there it is Clint Benjamin at 51, and perhaps but not yet final, Joe Anderson at 67.

Good thing that Rogers joined after that to help the floundering (another word for sinking) Hughes.

Did Dick bring Rogers in personally (I genuinely dont know) or did he just provide the funding for us to have another on the team? Either way, the buck stops with the department manager.

Of course any team will function better with more staff. Especially one as time/labor intensive as watching teenagers play at all levels across the country, but to make out that this somehow saved Hughes from failing is a stretch. In the end the criticism and the praise always land at the top.

PS,. I am not even going to bother with looking at the rookie drafts, it would be like judging someones tattslotto skill by just looking at their skill at selecting the supplementary numbers. I am sure WH has done equally well with rookies as any other recruiter, its a bit of a lottery (pun intended) so hardly worthy of praise or scorn.

 

[thylacine60]

A sure sign that the club is doing well when the comments start to become about the help WH is getting in doing such a great job. When we were not (or if we were not) the axe is always aimed at the head of department but when doing great, its dont forget the help he is getting, its not all his credit.

Sinking? 2005 Marc Murph, Josh Kennedy, Paul Bower, oh yes I see, Jake Edwards, yep sinking fast.

2006: Bryce Gibb, Shaun Hampson, Shaun Grigg, Mark Austin, oh yes there it is Clint Benjamin at 51, and perhaps but not yet final, Joe Anderson at 67.

Good thing that Rogers joined after that to help the floundering (another word for sinking) Hughes.

Did Dick bring Rogers in personally (I genuinely dont know) or did he just provide the funding for us to have another on the team? Either way, the buck stops with the department manager.

Of course any team will function better with more staff. Especially one as time/labor intensive as watching teenagers play at all levels across the country, but to make out that this somehow saved Hughes from failing is a stretch. In the end the criticism and the praise always land at the top.

PS,. I am not even going to bother with looking at the rookie drafts, it would be like judging someones tattslotto skill by just looking at their skill at selecting the supplementary numbers. I am sure WH has done equally well with rookies as any other recruiter, its a bit of a lottery (pun intended) so hardly worthy of praise or scorn.

foundering is preferred, if not always popular, usage.

 

[40yearBLUE]

foundering is preferred, if not always popular, usage.

Ever tried catching flounder on the surface





Embarrassing slip there!

 

[Dramoth]

Ever tried catching flounder on the surface





Embarrassing slip there!

use a gidgee...

never miss

 

[Alpha1]

A gidgee?

 

[Salaryman]

A gidgee?

Ask your mother

 

[HBF]

Ask your mother

I'd ask yours, but she's busy!

 

[zeeCFC]

Oh no you di'nt!