Public vs Private School funding

[Ghost Patrol]

Public schools should have access to private school facilities if they receive public funding.

Also, remove the tax free status of religious affiliated schools if they want public funding.

 

[Evolved1]

Not sure why government should fund choice. If it meant some private schools lack sufficient enrolment to be viable that’s just competition calling.

Shifting students from private to public education will require more taxpayer funding.

Private healthcare is subsidised. Abortion is subsidised. Both rightly so, but both are technically choices.

I see no reason that private education shouldn't be subsidised.

 

[Sttew]

Public schools should have access to private school facilities if they receive public funding.

They can if they win a scholarship

 

[Sttew]

Not sure why government should fund choice. If it meant some private schools lack sufficient enrolment to be viable that’s just competition calling.

Because it ultimately saves the government $$$$. Imagine if there were no private schools or no private hospitals...

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Because it ultimately saves the government $$$$. Imagine if there were no private schools or no private hospitals...

Everyone would treated equally?

That's a good plan Sttew

 

[Carn The Berries]

because its a ******* rort we should not be putting a single cent of tax dollars into private schooling we don't fund public schools adequately and the gap is getting wider not narrower, so more and more of the education budget is going to well off schools

Where exactly do you propose the state government finds the money to build the schools that would be required to take in all the kids who wouldn't be able to afford non-government education without subsidisation? We have about 1,200 kids here and I would suspect at least 75% of them wouldn't be here without government support (and support from the school - one item left out of the discussion quite often is the support most Catholic schools provide to families in financial distress).

That would be a bran new primary school and secondary school that need to be built - Got a lazy $50m lying around for that?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Because it ultimately saves the government $$$$. Imagine if there were no private schools or no private hospitals...

Now that’s is an argument that I can accept. Funding to save money is sensible but don’t dress it up with subjective measures like “choice”

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Where exactly do you propose the state government finds the money to build the schools that would be required to take in all the kids who wouldn't be able to afford non-government education without subsidisation? We have about 1,200 kids here and I would suspect at least 75% of them wouldn't be here without government support (and support from the school - one item left out of the discussion quite often is the support most Catholic schools provide to families in financial distress).

That would be a bran new primary school and secondary school that need to be built - Got a lazy $50m lying around for that?

Government resumption of the land where private school facilities sit.

 

[Evolved1]

Everyone would treated equally?

That's a good plan Sttew

Yes, because public schools in wealthy inner suburbs are equivalent to those in lower SES areas.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Government resumption of the land where private school facilities sit.

So... you're advocating the government compulsorily acquiring private land (and the buildings on it)?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

So... you're advocating the government compulsorily acquiring private land (and the buildings on it)?

Correct.

It's kind of like eating the rich, except no one has to die. Lets level the playing field.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Because it ultimately saves the government $$$$. Imagine if there were no private schools or no private hospitals...

Or charities or churches...

 

[Carn The Berries]

Correct.

It's kind of like eating the rich, except no one has to die.

You're welcome to come out to our campus and point out all the rich people are that you are seeking to devour... I'd advise having breakfast first

 

[Sttew]

Everyone would treated equally?

That's a good plan Sttew

My wife spent over a decade working as Marketing & Communications Director at an elite boys school in Melbourne, and the stories she told me about money being wasted (e.g., junket trips to China to attract students, and junket trips to NY, London etc by senior teachers to attend alumni "reunions") were appalling. Equally, though, at least 40% of students at this school came from average families where grandparents paid the fees and/or the parents "busted a gut" to pay the fees.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You're welcome to come out to our campus and point out all the rich people are that you are seeking to devour... I'd advise having breakfast first

Ok, so it wouldn't effect any rich people at your campus.

I don't see any problems with that.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

My wife spent over a decade working as Marketing & Communications Director at an elite boys school in Melbourne, and the stories she told me about money being wasted (e.g., junket trips to China to attract students, and junket trips to NY, London etc by senior teachers to attend alumni "reunions") were appalling. Equally, though, at least 40% of students at this school came from average families where grandparents paid the fees and/or the parents "busted a gut" to pay the fees.

With my plan, those average families would save money.

 

[Evolved1]

A lot of left wing nutjobbery here today.

 

[Sttew]

With my plan, those average families would save money.

You presume the sole reason families select private schools is superior education? There are a host of other reasons including extra curricular opportunities (e.g., having campuses in other countries or in regional locations), family tradition, networking opportunities post school, and sporting opportunities. The state system wouldn't offer those opportunities. They wouldn't be allowed to because under your system no doubt everyone will be dragged down to the lowest common denominator?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You presume the sole reason families select private schools is superior education? There are a host of other reasons including extra curricular opportunities (e.g., having campuses in other countries or in regional locations), family tradition, networking opportunities post school, and sporting opportunities. The state system wouldn't offer those opportunities. They wouldn't be allowed to because under your system no doubt everyone will be dragged down to the lowest common denominator?

Where did I say that?

Lets do what Finland did.

Finland outlawed fee-paying 45 years ago and soared to the top of world rankings. Finland is widely cited as the model for a successful education system that “prohibits” private primary and secondary education.

 

[Sttew]

Where did I say that?

Lets do what Finland did.

Finland outlawed fee-paying 45 years ago and soared to the top of world rankings. Finland is widely cited as the model for a successful education system that “prohibits” private primary and secondary education.

It's just the vibe!

Finland's population is about that of Melbourne, and area wise it measures 1/20 the size of Australia. They can afford to do thing like what you describe

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It's just the vibe!

Finland's population is about that of Melbourne, and area wise it measures 1/20 the size of Australia. They can afford to do thing like what you describe

Our schools are run by the states, so size/population is comparable.

We can afford it. Remove mining/fossil fuel subsidies and religious tax exemption, for starters. Though we can afford it without doing that...

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Some people are very generous with other people's money.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

A lot of left wing nutjobbery here today.

Ah yes, lose argument then call everyone a leftie.

The snowflakery of pretend centrists never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Evolved1]

Ah yes, lose argument then call everyone a leftie.

The snowflakery of pretend centrists never ceases to amaze me.

I didn't lose any argument. You may be projecting there.

Your plan to acquire private school land is shit for reasons already outlined, and wouldn't be supported by voters. You're a LWNJ. You, not everyone.

 

[Sttew]

Our schools are run by the states, so size/population is comparable.

We can afford it. Remove mining/fossil fuel subsidies and religious tax exemption, for starters. Though we can afford it without doing that...

20% of the schools are not run by the governments. The success rates between the 80% state -v- 20% private would be heavily skewed towards the private too. It's just a fact.