Public vs Private School funding

[kranky al]

This is blatantly not true. Here in South Australia at least students can be suspended and then sent to behavioural schools for 10 weeks at a time if really needed. All schools have a detention and suspension style system for multiple levels.

What is the consequence you are looking for by the way?

Well I’m in wa as mentioned.

And I just posted the wa education departments guidelines.

Student Behaviour in Public Schools Procedures - Policies - Department of Education

This procedure provides the mandatory framework for school decision making about promoting and maintaining positive student behaviour, as well as responding to student misconduct.

www.education.wa.edu.au

There it is in case you missed it.


Perhaps you could point out to me where - in between the absolute funking waffle about training and inclusivity and cultural understanding etc etc that’s repeated ad infinitum - where the actual consequences are.

Btw the consequence you just pointed out is a tip of the apex punishment that’s way down the track.

What is the consequence for say, constantly disrupting a lesson - today - right now, what consequence is there?


I can tell you that the private school would start by asking him / her to stop the behaviour, if it continued the student would be taken out of the class and immediately be one on one with a teacher - his lunch break would be taken in detention with no opportunity for play with the other children. He’d be asked if he wanted to join the class again under condition that if he started the same behaviour again he’d be held back after school, we would be notified and told to get him later.

We would be asked if there was anything happening at home as a precursor for the behaviour. One of the older boys would accompany him to his class if he returned to see him settled in.

An actual immediate consequence for bad behaviour that is unpleasant.

 

[kranky al]

Probably because they went to a private school.

City beach senior high school - government school, where I spent time in detention, spent lunch time doing scab duty and was suspended for fighting .


There were consequences for bad behaviour then.

If I don’t do homework my parents were informed. Any behavioural issues were reported to my parents. Disrupting classes was not acceptable.

 

[Vindicater]

Well I’m in wa as mentioned.

And I just posted the wa education departments guidelines.

Student Behaviour in Public Schools Procedures - Policies - Department of Education

This procedure provides the mandatory framework for school decision making about promoting and maintaining positive student behaviour, as well as responding to student misconduct.

www.education.wa.edu.au

There it is in case you missed it.


Perhaps you could point out to me where - in between the absolute funking waffle about training and inclusivity and cultural understanding etc etc that’s repeated ad infinitum - where the actual consequences are.

Btw the consequence you just pointed out is a tip of the apex punishment that’s way down the track.

What is the consequence for say, constantly disrupting a lesson - today - right now, what consequence is there?


I can tell you that the private school would start by asking him / her to stop the behaviour, if it continued the student would be taken out of the class and immediately be one on one with a teacher - his lunch break would be taken in detention with no opportunity for play with the other children. He’d be asked if he wanted to join the class again under condition that if he started the same behaviour again he’d be held back after school, we would be notified and told to get him later.

We would be asked if there was anything happening at home as a precursor for the behaviour. One of the older boys would accompany him to his class if he returned to see him settled in.

An actual immediate consequence for bad behaviour that is unpleasant.

There is nothing different there from the public school I work at apart from being held after school and that is only because we are a primary school. I know the public high school down the road does after school detention.

Every public primary school I have worked at has had some form of behaviour steps plan that normally goes.

Step 1: warning
Step 2: out of class (either in the hallway or in a buddy class)
Step 3: office timeout.
Step 4: lunch time detention (multiple different names, currently my school calls this the Behaviour thinking room)
Step 5: internal suspension
Step 6: external suspension
Step 7: exclusion from school for up to ten weeks where the student must still attend an education building (this is normally when they end up at a behavioural school.

I have worked at five seperate schools and all do these basic things along with their own unique consequences (our school normally involves community service type consequences)

The biggest issue for behaviour will always be the fact that due to funding constraints we have 30 kids in a classroom.

 

[Vindicater]

City beach senior high school - government school, where I spent time in detention, spent lunch time doing scab duty and was suspended for fighting .


There were consequences for bad behaviour then.

If I don’t do homework my parents were informed. Any behavioural issues were reported to my parents. Disrupting classes was not acceptable.

Better in the good old days ay?

Before private schools took all the funding maybe?

 

[kranky al]

Better in the good old days ay?

Before private schools took all the funding maybe?

Yes because it’s impossible to consequence kids without additional funding.

 

[kranky al]

There is nothing different there from the public school I work at apart from being held after school and that is only because we are a primary school. I know the public high school down the road does after school detention.

Every public primary school I have worked at has had some form of behaviour steps plan that normally goes.

Step 1: warning
Step 2: out of class (either in the hallway or in a buddy class)
Step 3: office timeout.
Step 4: lunch time detention (multiple different names, currently my school calls this the Behaviour thinking room)
Step 5: internal suspension
Step 6: external suspension
Step 7: exclusion from school for up to ten weeks where the student must still attend an education building (this is normally when they end up at a behavioural school.

I have worked at five seperate schools and all do these basic things along with their own unique consequences (our school normally involves community service type consequences)

The biggest issue for behaviour will always be the fact that due to funding constraints we have 30 kids in a classroom.

That’s lovely - as mentioned several times, I’m in wa

Twice now I’ve posted the wa guidelines for policing student behaviour and asked anyone whether they can find an actual consequence.

In return I get victorians and Queenslanders posting how they do it. Now given that it’s easier to move a kid to a private school than to funking move interstate…….

 

[Vindicater]

Yes because it’s impossible to consequence kids without additional funding.

It is alot harder when you have classes bursting at the seams due to funding shortages.

 

[kranky al]

Better in the good old days ay?

Before private schools took all the funding maybe?

I have stated several times if I were in charge - govt schools would get the lions share of funding. Furthermore high fee schools would get NOTHING. Not a red cent.



However I’m not, so given that paradigm, what do you think I should have done differently with the circumstance I was in.

I had a bright but disruptive child, now I, despite being incredibly proactive with the teachers in his public school got no help or action from them despite multiple entreaties to contact me with bad behaviour / not doing homework etc.

I put him in a private school and the behaviour ended within weeks.

 

[kranky al]

It is alot harder when you have classes bursting at the seams due to funding shortages.

See reply above.

All I wanted was an email / text telling me what he was doing - he was one of the main disruptors in his class.

 

[Chief]

Perhaps you could point out to me where - in between the absolute funking waffle about training and inclusivity and cultural understanding etc etc that’s repeated ad infinitum - where the actual consequences are.

See all the bits that start "The principal:"?

What exactly do you think the consequences should be for something like not doing homework? Disrupting the class? Not attending class?

 

[kranky al]

See all the bits that start "The principal:"?

What exactly do you think the consequences should be for something like not doing homework? Disrupting the class? Not attending class?

Easy peasy :

Not doing homework. Assigned extra homework, parents notified.

Disrupting the class, spend lunchtime on scab duty.

Not attending class: parents notified.



I mean it’s not rockets surgery, I’m not asking to bring back the birch.


I’m asking for the methods used successfully in private schools to be applied in public schools.

 

[Chief]

Easy peasy :

Not doing homework. Assigned extra homework, parents notified.

Disrupting the class, spend lunchtime on scab duty.

Not attending class: parents notified.



I mean it’s not rockets surgery, I’m not asking to bring back the birch.


I’m asking for the methods used successfully in private schools to be applied in public schools.

And you're saying nothing like this happens in any public school? No detention? No corrective action?

Even after everyone who has replied has said that it does? My kids have had detention. They've had consequences. They went to public schools.

 

[Deliverance]

Yes because it’s impossible to consequence kids without additional funding.

The good old days? What, like the 60s when the high school completion rate was less than 30%? Pretty sure there were plenty of severe consequences for kids in schools back then.

 

[peetoo]

If private schools nrollments tanked, they could just lease their premises to public schools.

It’s happening already with catholic schools

 

[kranky al]

The good old days? What, like the 60s when the high school completion rate was less than 30%? Pretty sure there were plenty of severe consequences for kids in schools back then.

Look there’s a wookie….

 

[kranky al]

And you're saying nothing like this happens in any public school? No detention? No corrective action?

Even after everyone who has replied has said that it does? My kids have had detention. They've had consequences. They went to public schools.

Dear chief. As mentioned several times, I’m in WA - and have posted the wa education department guidelines for dealing with disruptive students.

You, and the other posters have mentioned disciplinary methods used in the states you reside in.

That’s lovely, however moving a child to a private school in the state that I live in is a lot easier than packing up and 3418 km away from wa - to another public school.

 

[Chief]

Dear chief. As mentioned several times, I’m in WA - and have posted the wa education department guidelines for dealing with disruptive students.

You, and the other posters have mentioned disciplinary methods used in the states you reside in.

That’s lovely, however moving a child to a private school in the state that I live in is a lot easier than packing up and 3418 km away from wa - to another public school.

Have you compared the policies in other states?

 

[kranky al]

Have you compared the policies in other states?

No - my initial post was asking what a parent should do given that NO discipline was in place and no matter how many times I fronted the school and asked them to contact me if he was disruptive / didn’t do homework etc - they didn’t do so.

So I moved him to a school that did.

I asked what alternatives does a parent have when the school does nothing.


I’ve asked this several times and no one wants to answer it (unless it’s to say “my school in a different state has discipline)

 

[Vindicater]

No - my initial post was asking what a parent should do given that NO discipline was in place and no matter how many times I fronted the school and asked them to contact me if he was disruptive / didn’t do homework etc - they didn’t do so.

So I moved him to a school that did.

I asked what alternatives does a parent have when the school does nothing.


I’ve asked this several times and no one wants to answer it (unless it’s to say “my school in a different state has discipline)

So we circle back around to the fact that you are using your one bad experience to tar an entire industry.

Nobody has an issue with you moving your kid to a private school.

People have an issue with that school getting tax dollars.

And yes, you as a tax payer should pay for public education even if you choose not to use it.

 

[Deliverance]

No - my initial post was asking what a parent should do given that NO discipline was in place and no matter how many times I fronted the school and asked them to contact me if he was disruptive / didn’t do homework etc - they didn’t do so.

So I moved him to a school that did.

I asked what alternatives does a parent have when the school does nothing.


I’ve asked this several times and no one wants to answer it (unless it’s to say “my school in a different state has discipline)

Lol, no. You're original post was

"There are no real consequences for bad behaviour in public schools"

 

[kranky al]

So we circle back around to the fact that you are using your one bad experience to tar an entire industry.

Nobody has an issue with you moving your kid to a private school.

People have an issue with that school getting tax dollars.

And yes, you as a tax payer should pay for public education even if you choose not to use it.

Actually I presented you with the wa education departments guidelines for dealing with students misbehaving in public schools.

Which has zero mention of any forms of disciplinary action whatsoever.

But you all choose to ignore that.

Contacted wa teacher friends / family today - will post responses as they come in :


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[kranky al]

 

[kranky al]

 

[kranky al]

So we circle back around to the fact that you are using your one bad experience to tar an entire industry.

Nobody has an issue with you moving your kid to a private school.

People have an issue with that school getting tax dollars.

And yes, you as a tax payer should pay for public education even if you choose not to use it.

Not my one bad experience.

This is the reality of education in WA.

Now if the government refuse to provide a service that’s fit for purpose - what are we supposed to do as parents?

 

[kranky al]