Sounds like this suppossed teacher is the type who wished they could still use the cane.
Public vs Private School funding
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I fail to see how a private school is going to deal with PDA kids any differently. They are highly complex students who are not suited for the modern educational environment at all. Any school is going to struggle with a student with PDA.
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This is the same at private schools. (I have taught in both)
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So there are steps but they don't really work if the parents are not involved or go into bat for the students.
I will agree this is the advantage a private school has. The parent has made an investment so they will be more engaged.
But either way, kids who don't care at private school will also disrupt classes.
And there are a lot of parents who couldn’t give a red rolled rats turd if their child sets fire to the place… so you get kids being completely disruptive, the best teachers giving up and doing private schools as they don’t have to put up with disruptive kids as well as the onerous paperwork.
In WA at least, the public school system is mostly broken. The independent school system is a step in the right direction but the fact that you are locked into a school depending on your post code means you can’t vote with your feet and take your kid to another school. Unless there’s another school within your catchment.
yes having paid involves parents more, but again as I mentioned, I couldn’t have been more involved and couldn’t have got less back from the school. They were useless.
And a large reason behind being useless is that they can’t set actual consequences for bad behaviour. If there are no consequences how are you supposed to stop it?
What an interesting deflection.
At the school I took my foster child to, mobiles were not allowed at school, they are put on silent and any use is immediately met with confiscation and the child can get their phone back from the office at the end of the day. They may use their phones in breaks.
No exceptions.
That’s one of the reasons why I wanted him there, if a trainee can’t stay off his phone when he’s working with me he won’t last the week.
That’s why there’s so much support for private schooling. When we took this child he was from Carnarvon and we are 500km away. We had the option of putting him in the private school straight away. The private school is a quite strict Christian school that blasts a lot of fundie shit so believe me when I tell you - I didn’t funking want to send him there. Have a read of my posting elsewhere on the SRP board. I’m a centre left guy who’s a confirmed agnostic with zero love for organised paed…. I ment religion.
The fact that I gave him two years in that public school environment where I was powerless to change his behaviour was a testament to how much I didn’t want to send him to the private school.
But that public school isn’t preparing a kid for the real world. Of all the trainees I’ve taken on - it’s been the ones from the private system that have done the best. They are being prepared for the big bad world out there where there ARE consequences.
Teaching kids there are none isn’t doing them any favours. I’ve sacked kids who are habitually late who have called me a ****ing clock watcher for daring to call them out on it.
Being late is a big deal at that private school, being late is nothing at the public.
If parents legitimate concerns aren’t being addressed by the state school system - which is an understatement- they are being outright ignored.
Then we have the right to go elsewhere.
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Making them pick up rubbish at lunch time apparently. Fixes everything.
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fmd if I was working in the WA public system (which I know is ver
This is complete and utter bullshit from a person who has had experience with ONE school and heard the rest from his Aunties. Mate you know as much about school education as I know about your work. But I dont propose to lecture you on how to empty bins. The WA public system teachers would high five each other when gobshites like this walk away.
Seems fairly obvious that this person can't really relate and respond to kids with challenges other than through a punishment or consequence lens.
I mean I’ve posted multiple accounts from multiple teachers and I’ve also posted the wa guidelines.
Just fake news I guess.
Is your surname Kennedy perchance?
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Mmmhmmm - tell me again how well the non consequential system is working…. With out tying yourself in knots please? No one is saying go straight to punishment. That’s a straw man. All you can think of is punishment. Such an emotive logically bereft argument used when you have nothing else.
I mean half this thread is from people not from this state, assuring me that there are consequences available for teachers to use and that they do use them in their state.
And then when I quite clearly show that there are no consequences short of suspension / expulsion - all of a sudden consequences are bad.
Take a read of the wa guidelines on dealing with disruptive children. There’s literally pages and pages of techniques that can be summarised as give the child respect, respect their culture, listen to the child - all laudable and worthwhile ideals that should be non negotiable.
But there isn’t a skerrick of an idea of what to do if the child is not responding - zero, nada nil.
Just more of the same wankwaffle repeated as infinitum in different ways.
Meanwhile in the real world, read any thing about dealing with children from clinical psychologists and you will read things like this:
<<<Establishing Consequences: A consequence is simply the effect that follows any given action. Consequences are inevitable. They are natural and constant. There is no action that does not have a consequence. Kids sometimes struggle to see and understand the natural consequences of their actions and definitely struggle to anticipate consequences. It can be helpful for parents to teach kids about consequences and help them anticipate consequences that will arise, whether natural or imposed consequences>>
How to Peacefully Teach and Set Clear Limits, Boundaries and Consequences with Your Child — LOUISE SHALDERS
Limits, boundaries and consequences all work together with love and empathy to teach and help our kids perceive and interact with the world in positive ways. In this article I’ll address each concept of limits, boundaries and consequences and some practical ways to understand and utilise them in pos
www.louiseshalders.com.au
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How the bank of nan and pop is making our polarised school system even worse
Cashed-up grandparents are driving private education fees ever higher. It’s just another degree of stratification for our dysfunctional school system.
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Cashed-up grandparents are driving private education fees ever higher. It’s just another degree of stratification for our dysfunctional school system.www.theage.com.au
Cos UK pay schools are Uber wealthy. Prince George will be paying 59k pounds annually when he goes to ‘big school’
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Fund it evenly
Give me a number per student. That’s what you get funded.
Say it’s $100
That’s what state schools receive per student from the government
If a private school wants to charge parents $60 school fees, then you’re only getting $40 from the government.
If a private school wants to charge parents $100 or more, then you’re not getting one red cent from the government.
If a private school wants to fundraise outside of the school fee system, then that’s up to them and they can spend it as they wish. But it’s not compulsory for parents to make these donations. If it’s compulsory then it’s a fee.
Much fairer system as each student no matter what their background is funded evenly.
Give me a number per student. That’s what you get funded.
Say it’s $100
That’s what state schools receive per student from the government
If a private school wants to charge parents $60 school fees, then you’re only getting $40 from the government.
If a private school wants to charge parents $100 or more, then you’re not getting one red cent from the government.
If a private school wants to fundraise outside of the school fee system, then that’s up to them and they can spend it as they wish. But it’s not compulsory for parents to make these donations. If it’s compulsory then it’s a fee.
Much fairer system as each student no matter what their background is funded evenly.
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How the bank of nan and pop is making our polarised school system even worse
Cashed-up grandparents are driving private education fees ever higher. It’s just another degree of stratification for our dysfunctional school system.
That’s a fair solution.
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Even would be every child given an allocation for their education and if their parents want to put more on top then so be it.
I have no issue with private schools and no issue with the government inputting money to them because at the end of the day its cheaper option for the country with good outcomes. Private schools are helping the government get children educated.
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They do but they are truly private, not propped up by the government.
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That’s not even. It favours children based on who their parents are.
In practice it would be fine. Parents would opt-in on optional contributions to improve the school. We just wouldn’t have the absurd situation we have now where the taxpayer is contributing to schools that have so much money they can’t decide whether to build a third swimming pool or a second theatre.
Who knows, private schools might even have to build a brand and an approach that sets them apart in ways other than who can charge the most.
Is there a breakdown of how much the said private schools are getting say compared to a government in total per student between State and Federal? And which schools? Like there are many private schools for disabilities etc
And yes of course if favours a child on who their parents are. Just like every aspect of life...
If it doesn't cost the government more to send a child to private school then i see no issue.
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The problem is the total funding pool is finite and could be far better split.
The life lottery doesn’t need to be reinforced by government.
It’s the culture of welfare for everybody that was largely started by Howard.
If people can afford to completely educate their own children then they should.
But I wouldn’t even income test it. Even if they don’t want to pay for it, fine - the state will pick up the tab at a state school.
But don’t expect to choose to pay for some expensive school only to have the state put in even more to top it up and push your kids further ahead of those down the street.
It’s like saying everybody should receive welfare payments no matter how much they earn from work. Why not that? It doesn’t cost the government any more to give a millionaire $1000 than it does to give an unemployed person $1000.
It’s really a form of reverse flat taxation, and flat taxation is ridiculously unfair.
The reality of this bullshit system in practice is clear: ridiculous excess at private schools while state schools need more funding.
It just reeks of standard LNP values since Howard: use the tax system and budget to further boost inequality. Give more to the rich under the facile, bullshit cover of “equality is giving everybody the same, no matter how much they do or don’t need it.”
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I wish I’d said that. You are 100% spot on.
