Public vs Private School funding

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The excess is paid for by school fees. Those school fees are paid through wages and/or capital gains that have already been taxed.

If it's cheaper for the government to fund private schooling than public schooling, I don't see what the problem is.

Another benefit of the private schooling system is providing competition for wages. It's a tough job and teachers deserve to be paid well.
Another person here to tell us that private schools are doing us all a favour and we should be grateful that our governments spend our money propping up an educational apartheid system.
 
So the kids whose parents can afford to pay for private education not only benefit from better (much better) facilities, they also get the best teachers? (To the extent the best teachers follow the money - not all will, but there’s also the lure of a cushier job in the private sector.)
Most non-government schools have EBAs that replicate the state system... This notion that non-government schools splash heaps of cash to attract "better" staff is simply false.
 

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Most non-government schools have EBAs that replicate the state system... This notion that non-government schools splash heaps of cash to attract "better" staff is simply false.
catholic schools have an eba. pretty sure the independents don't. Certainly not for the leadership team as everyone is quite aware of. Ridiculous contracts propped up with our tax es.
 
Most non-government schools have EBAs that replicate the state system... This notion that non-government schools splash heaps of cash to attract "better" staff is simply false.
I’ll bow to your greater knowledge. I was merely responding to a post that argued the ability of private schools to compete on pay with public schools was a good thing for the teaching profession.
 
The excess is paid for by school fees. Those school fees are paid through wages and/or capital gains that have already been taxed.

If it's cheaper for the government to fund private schooling than public schooling, I don't see what the problem is.

Another benefit of the private schooling system is providing competition for wages. It's a tough job and teachers deserve to be paid well.
You're explaining entrenched privilege as if it were fair and just.
 
You're explaining entrenched privilege as if it were fair and just.
Nobody here has provided a solution that is inherently fair. The difference in quality of schooling is primarily due to socioeconomic differences that are largely a function of location. Public schools in good areas are often better than private schools in other areas.

I don't see 'fair and just' as feasible goals. The goal should be to ensure the best overall educational outcomes.
 
Nobody here has provided a solution that is inherently fair. The difference in quality of schooling is primarily due to socioeconomic differences that are largely a function of location. Public schools in good areas are often better than private schools in other areas.

I don't see 'fair and just' as feasible goals. The goal should be to ensure the best overall educational outcomes.
What the hell does that mean? we are supposed to accept unfair and unjust provision of education for a cohort of our kids as long as those who are more than adequately resourced get the average performance over the line? is that truly what you think? That same cohorts are not worth wasting funding on?
 
What the hell does that mean? we are supposed to accept unfair and unjust provision of education for a cohort of our kids as long as those who are more than adequately resourced get the average performance over the line? is that truly what you think? That same cohorts are not worth wasting funding on?
I think parents should have the right to choose the best possible education for their children and it's a choice that should be supported by the taxpayer - especially since there's no additional cost to funding private schooling over public schooling.

If additional resourcing will fix problems associated with the public schooling system, I'd like to see more taxpayer money directed there.

Removing all public funding of private schools is unlikely to be a vote-winner come election time. Try to be pragmatic.
 

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I think parents should have the right to choose the best possible education for their children and it's a choice that should be supported by the taxpayer - especially since there's no additional cost to funding private schooling over public schooling.

If additional resourcing will fix problems associated with the public schooling system, I'd like to see more taxpayer money directed there.

Removing all public funding of private schools is unlikely to be a vote-winner come election time. Try to be pragmatic.
I’m opposed to private education from a philosophical perspective. But I agree that it wouldn’t be a vote winner and, since we live in a democracy, the abolition of private education is a non-starter.

I don’t agree with your assertion that the government is morally obliged to make a contribution to private education, but I think it’s established that that’s a schism between the two sides of this debate.

The solution has to be to significantly increase the funding of public schools to lift them up. I’m not a parent so have no personal skin in the game, but I would very happily pay more income tax to enable us to properly invest in the next generation. I’d then like to see a gradual reduction in funding for private education once every parent has the option of a quality public education for their child. If some still want to shell out more (after their increased tax burden to pay for improved public education, so be it, I guess. Though my philosophical objections wouldn’t disappear.
 
7 Years in non-government schools, covering 3 different EBAs tells me that. What else exactly do you believe staff are being poached with if not cash?
Rubbish. My partner works at a Government school and the best teachers are constantly poached by private schools.

MUCH better pay, working from home days, a lot of other perks.
 
Rubbish. My partner works at a Government school and the best teachers are constantly poached by private schools.

MUCH better pay, working from home days, a lot of other perks.
And by the QLD Education Department. Offering Victorian teachers substantial pay rises and sign on bonuses.
 
And by the QLD Education Department. Offering Victorian teachers substantial pay rises and sign on bonuses.

According to certain people on these forums, Victorians are always moving to other states.

Supply and demand, Sttew. Teachers are people too.
 
Most non-government schools have EBAs that replicate the state system... This notion that non-government schools splash heaps of cash to attract "better" staff is simply false.
It is not false that private schools lure teachers from public schools with pay and conditions.

I bet every parent with kids at any reasonable sized public school has seen their school scramble for teachers at the start of the year as one or more have left for the private system.
 
I think parents should have the right to choose the best possible education for their children and it's a choice that should be supported by the taxpayer - especially since there's no additional cost to funding private schooling over public schooling.

If additional resourcing will fix problems associated with the public schooling system, I'd like to see more taxpayer money directed there.

Removing all public funding of private schools is unlikely to be a vote-winner come election time. Try to be pragmatic.
Brilliant. thanks :rolleyes:
 
I’m opposed to private education from a philosophical perspective. But I agree that it wouldn’t be a vote winner and, since we live in a democracy, the abolition of private education is a non-starter.

I don’t agree with your assertion that the government is morally obliged to make a contribution to private education, but I think it’s established that that’s a schism between the two sides of this debate.

The solution has to be to significantly increase the funding of public schools to lift them up. I’m not a parent so have no personal skin in the game, but I would very happily pay more income tax to enable us to properly invest in the next generation. I’d then like to see a gradual reduction in funding for private education once every parent has the option of a quality public education for their child. If some still want to shell out more (after their increased tax burden to pay for improved public education, so be it, I guess. Though my philosophical objections wouldn’t disappear.
What's the basis for your philosophical position?

The greatest differential isn't in facilities or the quality of teachers; it's the culture. You can't change that with funding.
 

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