Rate my SuperCoach team 2012 (Part II)

[Thuggee_Cult]

DEF: Goddard, Deledio, Birchall, Heppell, Lake, Clarke, MohrEmg: Brown, Wilkes
MID: Ablett, Murphy, Priddis, Selwood, Wingard, Shiel
Emg: Mooney, Shenton
RUCK: Naitanui, McIntosh
Emg: Giles, Campbell

FWD: Franklin, Fyfe, Martin, Kennedy, Butcher, Saad, Dell'Olio
Emg: Smedts, Walsh

Salary cap remaining: $45, 400
Any feedback would be appreciated

Like that you've got nicnat, reckon he has value and is trending upwards
Defence is a bit light on, would steer clear of Wilkes

Nice midfield, but I think shiel Is injured

Good fwd line. Overall pretty good team

 

[Thuggee_Cult]

Decided to redo my poor half asleep attempt...

Backs: H.Shaw, Yarran, Hargrave, Deledio, Suckling, Conca, (Ellis, Mohr)

Mids: Selwood, Thomas, Watson, Cotchin, Magner, Coniglio, Shiel, Treloar

Ruck: Mumford, Maric (Giles, Stephensen)

Forwards: Franklin, J. Riewoldt, Martin, Zaharakis, Fasolo, Saad, Zorko, Kerridge, Hall

Rookies etc aren't set in stone since obviously round 1 selections will decide that.

To cut a long story short it looks like you are going for depth and not taking a chance on premiums. Might work over the course of a season but I think you need a bigger name on each line. Not sure about riewoldt or any full forward as they are more or less mark and kick players but I like maric, think he is in for big year, would go for hmac myself but I think a lone ruck man rather than a rotating ruck man is good value

 

[Sainters12]

MY TEAM

Backs: Goddard - Shaw - Fisher - Scotland - Dempsey - M.Clarke & Ellis
Bench: Bugg & Darley

Mids: Ablett - Thomas - Bartel - Masten - Coniglio - K.Lucas
Bench: Magner & Shiel

Rucks: Kruezer - Giles
Bench: Stephenson & Redden

Forwards: Franklin - Goodes - Fyfe - Martin - Dangerfield - Porplyzia - D.Smith
Bench: Weedon & Pfeiffer

Thoughts?

Thinking maybe downgrading Lucas to Clifton and upgrading Dempsey to Yarran?

 

[dUkezz]

Hey guys what's the news on neale and magner, how bad are both/weeks etv

 

[rocker_oz33]

MY TEAM

Backs: Goddard - Shaw - Fisher - Scotland - Dempsey - M.Clarke & Ellis
Bench: Bugg & Darley

Mids: Ablett - Thomas - Bartel - Masten - Coniglio - K.Lucas
Bench: Magner & Shiel

Rucks: Kruezer - Giles
Bench: Stephenson & Redden

Forwards: Franklin - Goodes - Fyfe - Martin - Dangerfield - Porplyzia - D.Smith
Bench: Weedon & Pfeiffer

Thoughts?

Thinking maybe downgrading Lucas to Clifton and upgrading Dempsey to Yarran?

l like how you went for 4 guns forward and back.
but what about the middle daisy could be anything this year and jimmy depends where is plays but you could do better than those 2.it seems you went for cover along that line and didnt bring out the guns like in the other areas.just a thought.

 

[velour_fog]

Ok, all you SC guru's out there Please prvide feedback on my team (pick it apart!) I am more interested in league wins. I have gone for a mixture of plenty of money making potential, solid guns in each position and DPPs.

Pls provide feedback on my DPPs and performance in byes.

Backs: Deledio, Shaw, H., Fisher, Carrazzo, Bock, Smedts, Marty Clark, Ellis, B., Darley

Mids: Ablett, Goodes, Goddard, Wingard, Kerridge, Kavanagh, McDonald, Magner

Ruc: Sandi, McIntosh, Giles, Stephenson

Fwds: Franklin, Fyfe, Martin, Porps, Smith, Saad, Zorko, Deli, Hall

Cheers!!

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Ok, all you SC guru's out there Please prvide feedback on my team (pick it apart!) I am more interested in league wins. I have gone for a mixture of plenty of money making potential, solid guns in each position and DPPs.

Pls provide feedback on my DPPs and performance in byes.

Backs: Deledio, Shaw, H., Fisher, Carrazzo, Bock, Smedts, Marty Clark, Ellis, B., Darley

Mids: Ablett, Goodes, Goddard, Wingard, Kerridge, Kavanagh, McDonald, Magner

Ruc: Sandi, McIntosh, Giles, Stephenson

Fwds: Franklin, Fyfe, Martin, Porps, Smith, Saad, Zorko, Deli, Hall

Cheers!!

I don't think Fisher is a good pic like the rest

Goodes in your midfield is interesting, could work, but maybe need another premium midfielder and put goodes into your forwardline

Zorko - I thought he was still injured?

Personally, I want to see how Goddard goes and target him as an upgrade.

Rucks a good balance between a premium and a risk that could pay off big.

Kavanagh is a bold move

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

OK first time poster in here - would love any feedback on my team.

Backs

Shaw, Birchall, Broughton, Waters, Hargrave, M Clarke, Ellis, Bower & Darley

Mids

Boyd, Priddis, Thompson, Barlow, Coniglio, Smith D, Smith C, Magner

Rucks

Leuenberger McIntosh, Stephenson, and Campbell

Forwards

Franklin, Goodes, Fyfe, Martin, Dangerfield, Cooyou, Weadon, Hall, Sexton

I feel that my forwards are still a bit weak at this stage.

 

[winty]

OK first time poster in here - would love any feedback on my team.

Backs

Shaw, Birchall, Broughton, Waters, Hargrave, M Clarke, Ellis, Bower & Darley

Mids

Boyd, Priddis, Thompson, Barlow, Coniglio, Smith D, Smith C, Magner

Rucks

Leuenberger McIntosh, Stephenson, and Campbell

Forwards

Franklin, Goodes, Fyfe, Martin, Dangerfield, Cooyou, Weadon, Hall, Sexton

I feel that my forwards are still a bit weak at this stage.

I like the look of your side. Your midfield is interesting in that most of them I'd suggest would be unique choices, but that could be a good way to go. As others have said, McIntosh could be a risk depending on how Goldstein performs, but otherwise, a pretty good job.

Here's my team:

Backs - G.Broughton, M.Suckling, C.Pedersen, M.Doughty, N.Malceski, B.Lake, M.Clarke, B.Smedts, S.Darley

Midfield - J.Selwood, B.Gibbs, D.Martin, S.Savage, C.Masten, S.Coniglio, C.Wingard, A.Morabito

Rucks - D.Cox, I.Maric, J.Giles, O.Stephenson

Forwards - L.Franklin, S.Johnson, S.Sidebottom, P.Dangerfield, A.Maric, D.Smith, A.Saad, T.Walsh, M.Panos.

 

[The Made Guy]

I feel that my forwards are still a bit weak at this stage.

Hmm, I actually think that is your strongest line!

Wouldn't run with Barlow, he has had an interrupted pre-season. Need to get Giles into your rucks, surely. And I think you need at least one super-premium in the mids ie. a guy who is expected to be in the Top 3 or 4 midfielders by the end of the year.

Your rookies might need some fine-tuning too, but we're all still doing that...

 

[ianeld]

Defenders
B. Goddard (MID), H. Scotland (MID), B. Deledio (MID), N. Bock, A. Tomlinson (FWD), B. Ellis, J. Boumann (P. Yagmoor, B. Wilkes)

Midfielders
D. Swan, M. Murphy, A. Swallow, J. Selwood, D. Smith (FWD), L. Brown (DEF) (J. Magner, C. Wingard)

Rucks
S. Mumford, M. Kreuzer (J. Redden, O. Stephensen)

Forwards
L. Franklin, A. Goodes (MID), M. Pavlich (MID), D. Martin (MID), A. Saad, B. Smedts (DEF), J. Cameron (S. Kerridge (MID), S. Rowe (RUC))

 

[lamaros]

Still a lot of movement at the station, but at the moment we're going with:

B: Goddard, Deledio, Fisher, Heppell, Lake, Dempsey, K. Hunt (Mohr, Boumann)
M: Watson, Gibbs, Hayes, Winderlich, D. Smith, Hampton (Treloar, Magner)
R: Luenberger, Ryder (Giles, Stephenson)
F: Franklin, Goodes, Fyfe, Martin, Zaharakis, Folau, Weedon (Smedts, Hall)

Pretty confident in my injured guys this year - Lake, Dempsey, Winderlich, Hayes.

All paying well under. They averaged 104, 77, 88, 103 in their last uninjuired seasons (with at least one good season before that too) and they all look fit. With some of the rookies being a bit unsure this time around I think they're safer bets for cash cows, and a couple of them might even become keepers.

Zaharakis is my big question mark. Has had a slow preseason.

Might change a few around to get some back/mid MPP into the middle.

Still changing the forward and mid rookies around a fair bit.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

Not enough Essendon players???

 

[lamaros]

Not enough Essendon players???

I would fit in more if I could

Watson is a SC elite when he's not injured (~120-130 when not injured in 2011). He's not injured now.
Ryder was in the top handful of rucks on last seasons form (#5 in points for the year). He looks bigger, stronger and hungry for it this year.
Heppell I'm covered elsewhere. Will be towards the top scorers for defenders, miss him if you dare.
Zaharakis is a bit of a risk with his preseason, but he's a reliable scorer with MPP and there's not a lot of options up forward.

Winderlich and Dempsey are cash cows at their price, heavily discounted after their small number of games and injuries last year - both will rise at least 100-200k. They will average 70-90 while they are rising in price - something not many other forward or defensive rookies will do. Winderlich is also MPP.

 

[lamaros]

Defenders
B. Goddard (MID), H. Scotland (MID), B. Deledio (MID), N. Bock, A. Tomlinson (FWD), B. Ellis, J. Boumann (P. Yagmoor, B. Wilkes)

Midfielders
D. Swan, M. Murphy, A. Swallow, J. Selwood, D. Smith (FWD), L. Brown (DEF) (J. Magner, C. Wingard)

Rucks
S. Mumford, M. Kreuzer (J. Redden, O. Stephensen)

Forwards
L. Franklin, A. Goodes (MID), M. Pavlich (MID), D. Martin (MID), A. Saad, B. Smedts (DEF), J. Cameron (S. Kerridge (MID), S. Rowe (RUC))

I have question marks over Yagmoor, Tomlinson, Wilkes and Wingard (too much money - not a sure thing). Kreuzer is going to stuff up everyone who picks him - just doesn't score enough for a premium ruck and isn't discounted. Saad isn't necessarily going to play many games.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

I would fit in more if I could

Watson is a SC elite when he's not injured (~120-130 when not injured in 2011). He's not injured now.
Ryder was in the top handful of rucks on last seasons form (#5 in points for the year). He looks bigger, stronger and hungry for it this year.
Heppell I'm covered elsewhere. Will be towards the top scorers for defenders, miss him if you dare.
Zaharakis is a bit of a risk with his preseason, but he's a reliable scorer with MPP and there's not a lot of options up forward.

Winderlich and Dempsey are cash cows at their price, heavily discounted after their small number of games and injuries last year - both will rise at least 100-200k. They will average 70-90 while they are rising in price - something not many other forward or defensive rookies will do. Winderlich is also MPP.

Yep, typical Essendon supporter!

 

[lamaros]

Yep, typical Essendon supporter!

Yeah, you're adding a lot to this thread. Insightful comments and whatnot.

Watson will probably break 200 points in round one. Get on him for C.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

Yeah, you're adding a lot to this thread. Insightful comments and whatnot.

Watson will probably break 200 points in round one. Get on him for C.

Righto! And Essendon will win the flag

Honestly, Winderlich at his price? He's never played a full season, either has Demspey who has never averaged more than 80?

Both coming off knee reco's - Only Essendon supporters could possibly pick them up!

 

[lamaros]

Righto! And Essendon will win the flag

Honestly, Winderlich at his price? He's never played a full season, either has Demspey who has never averaged more than 80?

Both coming off knee reco's - Only Essendon supporters could possibly pick them up!

Winderlich played 38 games in 2009-10. Averaging 92. Costs 302k. Would rise ~190k if he returned to that average.
Dempsey played 40 games in 2009-10. Averaging 76. Costs 273k. Would rise ~140k if he returned to that average.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Jock]

Dempsey has long history of hammies - A no go zone

 

[Happy Daze]

Still a lot of movement at the station, but at the moment we're going with:

B: Goddard, Deledio, Fisher, Heppell, Lake, Dempsey, K. Hunt (Mohr, Boumann)
M: Watson, Gibbs, Hayes, Winderlich, D. Smith, Hampton (Treloar, Magner)
R: Luenberger, Ryder (Giles, Stephenson)
F: Franklin, Goodes, Fyfe, Martin, Zaharakis, Folau, Weedon (Smedts, Hall)

Pretty confident in my injured guys this year - Lake, Dempsey, Winderlich, Hayes.

All paying well under. They averaged 104, 77, 88, 103 in their last uninjuired seasons (with at least one good season before that too) and they all look fit. With some of the rookies being a bit unsure this time around I think they're safer bets for cash cows, and a couple of them might even become keepers.

Zaharakis is my big question mark. Has had a slow preseason.

Might change a few around to get some back/mid MPP into the middle.

Still changing the forward and mid rookies around a fair bit.

Dempsey and Watson pick I like - Watson led Brownlow voting and was a standout performer early in season last year for Supercoach - Dempsey is decent value given his NAB Cup form, but as pointed out above has injury issues. However if Watson is your best midfield pick in Supercoach there is a big problem. Zaka is too expensive, Winders the same and the Ryder pick is pointless. Hepps is borderline for me but you have WAY too many Bombers in your squad which will be a big issue coming into the bye weeks, let alone the days when our middle-of-the-table team gets hammered by one of the premiership favourites. Can't see why you've picked Hunt or Folau. Of the others - Lake performed well today - Weedon looks borderline, Bouman is a full back likely to be playing on the biggest opposition forward and thus will spend most of his time spoiling and not picking up supercoach points.

 

[blitzer]

I would fit in more if I could

Watson is a SC elite when he's not injured (~120-130 when not injured in 2011). He's not injured now.
Ryder was in the top handful of rucks on last seasons form (#5 in points for the year). He looks bigger, stronger and hungry for it this year.
Heppell I'm covered elsewhere. Will be towards the top scorers for defenders, miss him if you dare.
Zaharakis is a bit of a risk with his preseason, but he's a reliable scorer with MPP and there's not a lot of options up forward.

Winderlich and Dempsey are cash cows at their price, heavily discounted after their small number of games and injuries last year - both will rise at least 100-200k. They will average 70-90 while they are rising in price - something not many other forward or defensive rookies will do. Winderlich is also MPP.

It was funny reading this post because I've probably entertained all these players in my team at one point or another but at the moment I only have one Essendon player in my team (Watson). I'm tipping him to be ~120 average in the first 11 rounds (as he was last yr). If he's not performing close to that level then I'll probably cop a sideways trade to a round 11 bye mid during his bye week.

My thoughts on some of the other players you've mentioned FWIW:
Ryder I wouldn't touch with our propensity for the 3 ruck policy which could kill his average even though he's potentially a good scorer.
Zaharakis - I love the guy but as far as supercoach goes there's a few MPP that have shown more this preseason so far (Dangerfield, Gray etc) and its hard to know whether his scoring will go to the next level.
Heppell I am still tempted to put in my team as I think he will avg somewhere between 90-100 with some mid time but currently I have 4 of the more expensive premium backs that avg'ed over 100 last year so only if I restructure will I consider him.

Dempsey/Winderlich are really risky picks in that they are both coming back from serious injury, have a poor injury history and are awkwardly mid priced options. I do agree they will make cash but I would think you would need to upgrade them to genuine premiums at some point and you can probably get a rookie/gun combo that will outperform these 2. If i had to pick one of these 2 I would take Dempsey. He's shown more in the NAB cup, is slightly cheaper, will play the rebounding role and hasn't really had any injury setbacks with his knee.

I hope that all your picks turn out to be gold though because that would indicate Essendon is having a pretty good year

 

[ThePezDispenser]

Winderlich played 38 games in 2009-10. Averaging 92. Costs 302k. Would rise ~190k if he returned to that average.
Dempsey played 40 games in 2009-10. Averaging 76. Costs 273k. Would rise ~140k if he returned to that average.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Go for it, mate.

It's your team not mine!

Just completely disregard the fact they are coming back from knee reco's and both have poor injury records

You better have a look at Grimes, Higgins, Kerr and co. whilst you're at it!

 

[lamaros]

Dempsey and Watson pick I like - Watson led Brownlow voting and was a standout performer early in season last year for Supercoach - Dempsey is decent value given his NAB Cup form, but as pointed out above has injury issues. However if Watson is your best midfield pick in Supercoach there is a big problem. Zaka is too expensive, Winders the same and the Ryder pick is pointless. Hepps is borderline for me but you have WAY too many Bombers in your squad which will be a big issue coming into the bye weeks, let alone the days when our middle-of-the-table team gets hammered by one of the premiership favourites. Can't see why you've picked Hunt or Folau. Of the others - Lake performed well today - Weedon looks borderline, Bouman is a full back likely to be playing on the biggest opposition forward and thus will spend most of his time spoiling and not picking up supercoach points.

Thanks for the comments.

The injury issues for both were ACLs last year (which is mostly luck) and otherwise back in 2008 - a fair while ago. Given their double up value as cash cows (that I can trade out later because they score well), and their chance to actually score well enough to become the 6th or 7th player, I think it's a decent risk.

I had Ryder last year too. He was less pointless than those who choose Mumford and Sandi: he scored more and was cheaper.

Midfielders are obviously the area I am going to upgrade first. Given the BEs needed from some of the top guys there I would say there is value to be had if you jump in at the right moment. I am deliberately trying to do this in 2012.

Folau will play a fair few games and he can take a grab. I expect he will do ok for me. If a better option comes up I will probably swap. Hunt I'm less sure on. He will also play a lot of games, and score better this year, but it is a big risk at 200k.

On the byes: too many from one side is pretty much meaningless in regards to byes. What matters is not having anyone on the bench who would score during a bye - and the way to ensure this is MPP, not team diversity. This applies to 'bad days' as well - its statistically irrelevant to scoring how many I have in my team from the one side, what matters is how individual players score over the season.

Bouman rebounds well, watched him enough in the NAB. If he gets games he will score ok.

 

[dman_85]

Go for it, mate.

It's your team not mine!

Just completely disregard the fact they are coming back from knee reco's and both have poor injury records

You better have a look at Grimes, Higgins, Kerr and co. whilst you're at it!

Important that everyone goes with what they think will work the best. Who knows what will happen. I'v got some different players in mine that others wouldnt even look at. I remember last year Pez you were giving a lot of advise to people but not sure how you ended up going??