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Did you forget Reimers can't even crack your team at the moment?
Reimers is a HFF with questionable injury concerns and a questionable attitude. You wouldn't be able to swap him for that.
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Injury has kept him out.
Reimers isn't in our team because Knights has his favourites and of late is reluctant to drop them. There are young kids performing well and you can't drop a kid on the back of good form.
He has been injured of late and so giving him time in the VFL to regain confidence and form is hardly 'unable to break into the best 22'. I see no reason to bring him in underdone and when there is a kid performing just as well at senior level.
No way! Worst case scenerio with boots is that you will get a good footballer. With Stevens you may get a total lemon.
Riemers has already shown that he can turn games off his own boot and can be a match winner in the future.
Early in the season when we were struggling he was one of the only guys prepared to take the game on and have a crack.
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All 16 boards carry on like this unfortunately.
People tend to get an emotional attachment to their team's players so they tend to over rate them, or more to the point they don't like trading out players they have an meotional attachment to.
Have a look come draft time. No one ever wants to trade a player in their best 22, but they all want to trade for players in other teams' 22.
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This is why I'm asking the question. I rate Reimers quite highly and have noticed he has been playing in the 2s for some time. He has been injured for some of it, but still hasn't been able to force himself back in.
I did say I would be reluctant to do so. Meaning, I would only settle for this if Reimers was on the outer or he wanted to be traded out back home.
I like how you don't actually address the issues I pointed out with Reimers being younger, showing more promise and actually performing at AFL level, and you reluctantly wanting to trade him for Sphanger, who would be the last person our club would target. I did say I have a certain level of bias, but is Koby Stevens and/or Luke Shuey currently in your best 22? Because Reimers is in our best 22. It seems you want to trade for a player in OUR best 22, for a player not in YOUR best 22 (Sphanger)... Or at least would struggle to get into our best 22 (Selwood).
I think he's played two or three in the VFL, which is fair because no one should come straight back in unless they are definitely required or were in great form prior to injuring themselves.
If he's fit after this week (which he should be) he will be pushing for selection for sure.
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Let me stop you right there. Perhaps you need to go back and re read what I said because I didn't say that.
1. Luke Suey is easily best 22
2. Stevens is unknown but highly rated. I would not entertain trading either of these two players for Reimers and I doubt anyone else would either
3. Again, I have never suggested wanting to trade Spangher.
4. I have thrown up Lynch, Selwood, Priddis, and McKinley. I have stated that Selwood is a hack. I'll also tell you now that I think priddis is a hack (and seemingly the first person in history to think this).
5. I would trade any of Lynch, Selwood, and Priddis in a heartbeat and would be of the opinion West Coast would be in front. In fact I'd swap all 3 for Reimers and be happy with it. However I rate McKinley and think he's a 60 goal full forward. I would take a straight swap but would consider it a risk.
have I clarified everything? Do you have any questions?
So you would be pretty much be prepared to trade hacks (your words) for Riemers but not decent prospects. How are you any different?
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Priddis is still reasonably highly rated. he's one of the best clearance players in the league. In saying that I think he's a hack. But in the view of the masses he's top 22 in most sides.
Selwood is getting rave reviews this year. Everytime he plays I hear commentators marvel about his great year. I disagree and think he's a hack and one of West Coast's main problems.
Lynch can play. He's AFL standard. I wanted to trade him last year when he had good value, not because of ability but rather he doesn't fir into our structure.
So how am I different? let's see, a) I'd trade Selwood for Reimers in aheartbeat and know we are getting a killer deal, b) I'm not naive enought to entertain Spangher for Reimers, c) I'm happy to trade starting 22 players
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The trick to trading is offloading someone who is over valued
i.e. 3 season ago when everyone thought Priddis was an A grader I wanted to offload him because I felt he was over valued. Last year I wanted to offload Lynch and Embley. Both had value. Embley isn't even worth a solitary tic tac now.
and onloading someone who is undervalued
i.e. last year I wanted Lindsay Thomas, 3 years ago I wanted Harbrow. This year I want Reimers.
I am very different to 99% of posters when it comes to trading. The concept of undervalued and over valued players is vastly different to trading known hacks for known guns.
Yeah I was probably off the mark with this one.
So you'd keep more of an unknown quanitity over a slightly more known quantity? Fair enough, a lot of posters look at the undiscovered potential and rate it higher than proven quantity, we all do it.
Sorry, I should have clarified this more, I was referring to your boards comments.
Lynch isn't currently in your best 22, and doesn't interest us. Selwood and Priddis also don't interest us. McKinley maybe might have gone down alright a couple of years ago, but now, I don't think we'd touch him. Could be a 60-goal a year full forward, could be a dud who never realises potential. Doesn't do enough off-the-ball. Doesn't apply any forward pressure. If McKinley was involved in the Reimers deal you'd want to throw in a handy draft pick. Even then, reluctance on our side.
We wouldn't take your 3 I don't imagine, as it would just clog our list of average players who would struggle to break into the 22. And, you wouldn't want to offer the 3. I guess the biased comes in with the McKinley-Reimers debate. In my opinion Reimers would offer more all-round than McKinley, and McKinley is probably not what we're after.
Quite. Cheers!
Speaking of Selwood and Lynch, Adam out Q-stick in. So Selwood has an injury cloud over him to top it off and Lynch breaks into the 22.
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I was hoping Woosh twigged and dropped his sorry arse but it appears he is carrying an injury. Not sure why they went with Lynch. I guess Woosh thinks our only chance is to get a mismatch in our forward line and take some grabs. Pretty confident the Bulldogs will run the ball out all day. We are their boge team so you ne'r know.
Nearly had him four years ago, after his first contract.
On the surface I just don't know if West Coast have a player who comes straight into our side (that they would give up).
I don't see the point in doing a trade unless you get picks (which are worth little this year) or you get a player that improves your side. Not sure West Coast have a player at the moment that could compliment our current list.
The only difference is that you don't rate players the same as everyone else. The end result is exactly the same. Yiou just want to offload your hacks (the players you consider hacks) for best 22 players from opposition clubs. You even want to group 2-3 hacks together to geta deal done.
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Nope, it's very different. every player has a value. Some are over value, some are under valued. Most people can only see what their actual value is.
Take Priddis for example. 3 seasons ago the whole AFL were raving about him. His market value would have been a first round pick. Most could only see his market value and not his true value. if he had been offloaded it would have been offloading a gun. His real value is irrelevant.
Poor player, undervalued player. It's not a surprise they are different things given they have different names.
We need young to mid aged skilled mids, and your asking for one of ours in exchange for plodders or small lead up forwards which we are in abundance. Thats why ur hearing complaints. Both teams are at similar stage so hard to trade as have no value or untouchables.
What uve suggested is similar like us asking for shuey in exchange for welsh
What uve suggested is similar like us asking for shuey in exchange for welsh
To bring the thread back on track I dont think the go home factor will matter much to Reimers, strikes me as a guy without sentilmentallity. Grew up in a tough part of W.A where weak thoughts like that earned you a knuckle sandwhich.
A poster on Blitz descibed him as without soul... In a good way.
A poster on Blitz descibed him as without soul... In a good way.
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That's a compliment. There's nothing about him that suggests he is soft. makes it a bit easier coming from Bunbury as well. It's probably thinking his parent screwed him over by making him grow up in that godawful shithole.
No chance of him going love him,but if they traded him Koby Stevens for Remiers.
Can you please show where I have said Selwood for Reimers is a fair trade?
Yeah musta heard the suggestion from another i guess. U did say you would happily do it for him tho in another thread. But i guess id happily trade Welsh for nat as well
3 way trade would be way to get him im tipping with draft picks maybe with boak deal if reimers wanted to go and boak wanted to come as has been suggested.
guess we have to see how plays out. Personally really hope Reimers isnt going anywhere unless im getting above the odds deal in return
Knights is on the record saying that Remiers is one of his favourites. There has been a change in approach with Remiers that,in my opinion, was overdue.
Given the circumstances, Reimers is exactly where I want him. For too long he was simply an automatic inclusion in the team even though fitness and form couldn't justify it.
I'd prefer to see his next shot at AFL come with something near full fitness (with plenty of miles in the legs). It has to be good for his attitude and lessens the linekihood that he will hurt himself when playing with the big boys.
If there is a reliable report that says he has been good or in the best at Bendigo for the last two weeks then he should come in. He hasn't deserved a place until now.
