Autopsy Review 2022 R4, v. Melbourne (The most sackable game in AFL history?)

[philreich]

Seeing Mayes attempting to be Stew Crameri and Marshall up against Gawn in ruck, really makes you wonder just how bad their perception of him is.

Ken has a very "interesting" perception of the world. If he was the Federal employment minister, his solution to fix unemployment would be to increase the minimum school leaving age to 47.

 

[Power Raid]

Ken has a very "interesting" perception of the world. If he was the Federal employment minister, his solution to fix unemployment would be to increase the minimum school leaving age to 47.

we have low unemployment as we work harder for longer

 

[PepeSilvia]

The forward system is complete garbage. Indefensible.

It relies on Dixon playing out of his skin, but even if he does, it falls apart against a quality, well drilled defensive unit. Elite small defenders like Melbourne and the Bulldogs have will absolutely dine out on our primary method of forward entry being a long bomb to Dixon designed to generate a spill.

It's purely designed to avoid conceding intercept marks, which it does quite well, but that's useless if scoring relies entirely on individual brilliance or a free kick.

I don't think anyone would disagree that an important part of the modern game modern AFL is finding a way to limit opposition intercept marks/markers, but the idea that this should be the core tactic in a team's attacking strategy is fundamentally, fatally flawed. And the reasoning is actually very simple, right?

Aside from the fact that it obviously means you've won possession of the football, there's a reason why intercept marks in D50 are so valuable. Marks mean control. 1) you can't be tackled when you take a mark, which gives the guy with the ball an opportunity to find the best option without the added pressure of being caught HTB or otherwise dispossessed, and 2) the 5-10 seconds before a player gets called to play on gives his teammates up the field a chance to get in position to avoid an immediate turnover and, ideally, start a scoring chain. If asked the question, I'd expect every coach in the league to say they value intercept marks over regular intercepts.

The same basic logic applies to marks by the attacking team inside their F50. You can't be tackled/pressured/corralled once you've taken a mark, which means less pressure on the shot at goal/next disposal. Conversely, if you're simply trying to generate F50 crumbing opportunities, there's A) no guarantee that you'll actually win the ball, and B) more pressure on the shot at goal/next disposal. Set shots also give your defenders time to set up correctly behind the footy to lock the ball in the forward half and make it easier to run your interchange rotations.

Obviously the challenge is finding a consistent and reliable way to create enough space in F50 to allow decent marking opportunities – clearly our coaches have decided that this challenge is simply too difficult, hence our 'forward system' and performances like whatever the actual **** Thursday night was.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Ken has a very "interesting" perception of the world. If he was the Federal employment minister, his solution to fix unemployment would be to increase the minimum school leaving age to 47.

Nah he'd drop the minimum wage to under a dollar so that everyone would have a job and could work harder and harder for **** all reward.

 

[edgie]

The title of this thread is wrong. It's not even in Ken's top 3 most sackable games out of his last 5 games.

It wasn't even his most sackable game last week

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[RussellEbertHandball]

Drew did a great job on Petracca. 16.1 is a low rating for the best player on the ground, but shows the quality of the game, I guess.


Drew's season has been good and is reflected on how high up the ratings he has risen.

 

[PortWTF]

Drew did a great job on Petracca. 16.1 is a low rating for the best player on the ground, but shows the quality of the game, I guess.


Drew's season has been good and is reflected on how high up the ratings he has risen.


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Steven May did well despite standing our super dangerous full forward Sam Mayes

 

[tribey]

Interesting stat On The Couch,

F50 Targets vs Melb.

7 — Sam Mayes

32

Sam Mayes

Age

30

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.1

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

14.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.5

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

20.0

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

7.2

5star

M

6.2

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

0 — Todd Marshall

4

Todd Marshall

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

8.9

2star

K

7.1

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.6

5star

 

[PJ Power]

Rozee with zilch ranking points.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Digital version of the CD tables is a bit blurry this week.

Like last week and the week before the oppo have more red than Port and a lot of white by both which means an average performance by most players, and Melbourne's average game is better than our average game.

No surprise 3 defenders - Clurey, Bonner and Jonas are top 4 along with Drew who sat on Petracca most of the night and blanked him.

X score
Port 45 actual 36
Melb 73 actual 68

Pressure index continues to be high, dominate this game 183v159, we are working harder, chasing a lot of tail, but poor ball use again, sees a lot of wasted efforts delivered.

Marks inside 50, Melbourne had taken 7 before we got our first one in the 2nd quarter and our 2nd one was Marshall 49.5m just before the siren and after siren as Marshall is starting to run in Butters gives away a stupid, unnecessary free.

In the end it was 3 v 11 we kicked 0.1 from it SPP in the 3rd quarter, and they kicked 7.3 from their 11 M50.

Frees I50 were 2 v 5 we kicked 0.2 and they kicked 2.2 from their 5 frees.

Ruck Contests

Lycett 50 for 22 HO ie 44%, 7 to advantage ie 31.8% of HOs
Todd 28 for 5 HO, ie 17.9%, 1 to advantage ie 20% of HOs
Drew 1 for 0, 0%, 0 0%
Mayes 1 for 0, 0%, 0 0%

Gawn 52 for 33 HO ie 63.5%, 13 to advantage 39.4% of HOs
Jackson 24 for 8 HO, ie 33.3%, 1 to advantage for 12.5%
McDonald 3 for 0, 0%, 0 for 0%
Weideman 2 for 0, 0%, 0 for 0%

Gawn went for a boundary throw in by himself in the 3rd quarter members side inside our F50,and was a bit lost, half grabbed at it half hit it away, didn't matter, they cleared the stoppage and our forward line.


New poster to Big Footy WheeloRatings has set up a site that gathers all the data from AFL APIs and after 4 games sorting different categories by Port it clearly shows the stuff I have been saying from these CD tables by where we sit in the pecking order of each category or when you look at the differences option.

5th most average kicks, 4th most average disposals, 17th kicking efficiency, 14th disposal efficiencies, 8th I50 and just better than AFL average. Ie our territory game in full display, but poor kicking to just blaze I50.

But 15th for clangers, 12th for marks, 15th for contest marks, 18th for marks I50, 18th for marks on a lead,

But working Hinkley hard style but not smart - 1st for tackles, 10th and AFL average for tackles I50, defence 1v1 loses 26.7% 10th best and basically AFL average, offensive 1v1 lost 19.4% is 16th and basically 70% of AFL average, 15th for shots on goal despite 8th for I50, accuracy 18th, scores I50 17th, pressure acts 3rd.

See these stats at

AFL Team Statistics

AFL team statistics.

www.wheeloratings.com

 

[bow and arrow]

Playing football with our game plan is a waste of time and has been since 2015! How the people in charge can stand it I don't know! Even if we win it's generally awful.

On SM-G781B using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Powerade 08]

Interesting stat On The Couch,

F50 Targets vs Melb.

7 — Sam Mayes
0 — Todd Marshall

These stats are made up tho. Marshall took a mark i50 on the lead. If that doesn't count as being targeted, what does?

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Interesting stat On The Couch,

F50 Targets vs Melb.

7 — Sam Mayes
0 — Todd Marshall

Great to see them call it out on how ridiculous our coaching and structures are. The mind just boggles as to what those geniuses down at Alberton are doing at the moment.

Also loved that Lyon made a point of this; “You go to Rozee, he doesn’t have the fierce competitive gene in him,”.

Those drums are getting louder

‘What is that?!’ AFL great fumes over ‘indictment’ of winless Port’s woes as in-form star ignored

‘What is that?!’ AFL great fumes over ‘indictment’ of winless Port’s woes as in-form star ignored

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[PortWTF]

Interesting stat On The Couch,

F50 Targets vs Melb.

7 — Sam Mayes

32

Sam Mayes

Age

30

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.1

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

14.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.5

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

20.0

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

7.2

5star

M

6.2

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

0 — Todd Marshall

4

Todd Marshall

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

8.9

2star

K

7.1

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.6

5star

It really does put into context how utterly ridiculous the "gameplan" was.

On the one hand, you have a tall forward who kicked 5 goals the week before and is probably feeling quite good about himself. And you don't kick it to him.

And on the other, you have a fringe midfielder play at full forward on the ALL-AUSTRALIAN FULL BACK, and you kick it to him 7 times.

It's just the most mind boggingly stupidest thing I've ever seen. Like it comes straight out of Dean Bailey's notebook of the gameplan to win the number one draft pick.

 

[Duck Farmer]

It really does put into context how utterly ridiculous the "gameplan" was.

On the one hand, you have a tall forward who kicked 5 goals the week before and is probably feeling quite good about himself. And you don't kick it to him.

And on the other, you have a fringe midfielder play at full forward on the ALL-AUSTRALIAN FULL BACK, and you kick it to him 7 times.

It's just the most mind boggingly stupidest thing I've ever seen. Like it comes straight out of Dean Bailey's notebook of the gameplan to win the number one draft pick.

The brilliant mind of Ken Hinkley

 

[rogerjames]

Imagine going into that game and thinking.. yep a cooked lycett alone v Gawn and Jackson with the occasional help from Todd Marshall would be sufficient.

It’s probably for the best that hayes didn’t play. Would have been destroyed

Rucks are an absolute mess. Have no idea what Port was thinking. Lycett was a big risk injury wise & Hayes isn't physically ready. Neither cover the ground well. In current footy no rucks means very difficult to get a win.

 

[rogerjames]

Injuries may be an excuse for a loss, but not for playing like that! A goalless half with a poor game plan. The buck stops with Ken!

We give away tall depth then complain about injuries. Almost like Ken is looking for an excuse as he can't possibly believe that Dixon will play most of the season injury free. Was never going to happen.

 

[rogerjames]

Butters is only a half forward flank, not a midfielder
Bergman is the one they should be pushing through the midfield
If rozee plays another game in the next month we should fold

Pre injury Butters was playing superbly in both roles. Is not the same player post injury.

 

[Schulzenfest]

These stats are made up tho. Marshall took a mark i50 on the lead. If that doesn't count as being targeted, what does?

You referring to the one just before half time? That wasn't inside 50, it was about 55 out.

 

[Mikey13G]

We give away tall depth then complain about injuries. Almost like Ken is looking for an excuse as he can't possibly believe that Dixon will play most of the season injury free. Was never going to happen.

‘What is that?!’ AFL great fumes over ‘indictment’ of winless Port’s woes as in-form star ignored

‘What is that?!’ AFL great fumes over ‘indictment’ of winless Port’s woes as in-form star ignored

www.foxsports.com.au

"Triple premiership forward Jonathan Brown questioned if the inability to target Marshall inside forward 50 was down to coaching or the big man’s positioning.

“Sam Mayes was the spearhead. I’ve played with Sam Mayes - he never in his life would have played as full forward,” he said.

Mayes has kicked 34 goals in his 120 AFL games".

 

[raptalia]

Butters is only a half forward flank, not a midfielder
Bergman is the one they should be pushing through the midfield
If rozee plays another game in the next month we should fold

Not sure about folding but I agree that Bergmann looks a better midfield prospect than either Butters or Rozee at this stage. Another young guy who could eventually step up to the midfield is Lachie Jones. Jones is probably not ready yet but he has the physique and ball getting ability to succeed. I think Butters, Duursma and Rozee are more the creative Robbie Gray type players, let the likes of Drew, Bergmann and Jones do the grunt work.

The way 2022 is headed maybe now is the time to start moving some of these guys through the midfield to see what they can do. That would take a Coach with and eye to the future and someone who can develop young players and Port do not have such a person.

 

[MrMeaner]

‘What is that?!’ AFL great fumes over ‘indictment’ of winless Port’s woes as in-form star ignored

‘What is that?!’ AFL great fumes over ‘indictment’ of winless Port’s woes as in-form star ignored

www.foxsports.com.au

"Triple premiership forward Jonathan Brown questioned if the inability to target Marshall inside forward 50 was down to coaching or the big man’s positioning.

“Sam Mayes was the spearhead. I’ve played with Sam Mayes - he never in his life would have played as full forward,” he said.

Mayes has kicked 34 goals in his 120 AFL games".

Given what we have heard about how Ken handles dissent, I think the panel were a bit unfair in partly blaming Marshall for this. Dude was being battered in the ruck for much of the day by the taller and stronger Gawn. Then, the team was kicking it high to Mayes. It happened so often it must have been a direction.

 

[Power Raid]

Given what we have heard about how Ken handles dissent, I think the panel were a bit unfair in partly blaming Marshall for this. Dude was being battered in the ruck for much of the day by the taller and stronger Gawn. Then, the team was kicking it high to Mayes. It happened so often it must have been a direction.

I'm not a big believer in Marshall's ability as THE KPF but it would be grossly unfair to judge him in the Dees game for the reason you highlight (plus we were a rabble).

 

[Powerade 08]

You referring to the one just before half time? That wasn't inside 50, it was about 55 out.

No he marked it inside 50. It's in the AFL highlights for the game on YT. and he is credited everywhere with a mark i50.

 

[Sleezy]

No he marked it inside 50. It's in the AFL highlights for the game on YT. and he is credited everywhere with a mark i50.

I think it comes down to the definition of I50 target's. Mitch might have been marginally closer to where the ball was kicked, when it was kicked? Or because it was kicked to a contest they don't count it for anyone?