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Ricciuto says there is no leadership at the crows
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The crowies bad list management is too blame (mind you, i do rate Scott Thompson as the obvious heir)
His off field issues of 3-4 years ago puts paid to him
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I'd prefer a strong on field leader with a slightly dodgy past than a squeeky clean person who ticks all boxes except for on field leadership.
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It doesnt really take a Rhodes Scholar to work that out.
But let me dummy it down for the Port supporters out there
Port joined the league 6 years after the crows did. The Crows built a premiership squad based around their initial squad, it took 7 seasons to win a premiership (backed up by another flag in our 8th year). Port built a premiership squad based around their intiial squad and it took 8 years to achieve a premiership.
Do you see the pattern there ???
You are trying to argue that because Port joined the competition 6 years later and are about 6 years behind us that it somehow makes a case that Port are superiorIf you actually try and look at that argument objectively you would see that it makes no sense at all. If the Gold Coast join next year and win a flag in their 8th season and in that time Port havent won a 2nd flag does this mean that the Gold Coast are superior to Port ?? or have they just emulated what the Eagles, Crows and Power had done before them ???
um - you asked what explains our 6 yrs of failure. wtf has all this got to do with that question? You asked the original question about 6 years - ie since our last premiership. So, if as you say, only a premiership is success, then you haven't had one for 12 years. So, your form line of failure is longer, because 12 years is longer than 6 years. I put some value on making a GF (not on the result), you don't.
and so, what explains your 12 years of failure, which is worse than our 6 years because you haven't even made a GF in that time, have you?
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So a club 12 years on from winning it's second flag is bigger failure than a club 6 years on from winning it's first flag
That makes no sense
All I will say is that if we win our 3rd flag before Port win a second the flow on effect will basically be that the SANFL will more than likely have to foreclose on the 2nd SA sub-license.
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There is a difference between contested footy, and creating stopages to slow down the game, ie "Lock Down" footy.
Collingwood Geelong and Hawthorn play contested footy, moving the ball forward at all costs. Bulldogs and St Kilda play "Lock Down" footy, like we do in finals (after playing the beforementioned style to get a five goal lead
).St Kilda and the Bulldogs wont win a flag with their style of lock down play. Like we didnt.
I agree free flowing skill based footy is no good in September, as you guys proved in 2007.
Funny. Peter Burgoyne doesn't look too chuffed at being the "2nd best team in 2007".
And anyway, according to Asgardian, if neither team wins the premiership in a year, you must use showdowns as an accurate gauge of superiority.
And so since the Crows beat Port Power twice in 2007 that shows that Crows > Port Power in 2007.
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So a club 12 years on from winning it's second flag is bigger failure than a club 6 years on from winning it's first flag
That makes no sense
All I will say is that if we win our 3rd flag before Port win a second the flow on effect will basically be that the SANFL will more than likely have to foreclose on the 2nd SA sub-license.
These people dont understand (ie are ignorant) that in the big league it is harder to win a flag. Look at Melbourne St Kilda and the Bulldogs, have not won a flag since the 60s and 50s. Yet have been around the mark plenty of times in that period. Collingwood and Richmond are two of the most successfull clubs in the league, yet have only won two flags between them in 30 years.
Port won their start up flag (and lost a GF), we won two GFs. The non start up flags are the ones you earn. They are much harder.
They talk as if flags are guranteed. It aint the SANFL.
So how many years PK till Primus is a Premiership coach?
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Simon Goodwin. Loves a punt and punch up with a journo. Not really a great on field captain IMO
Roo at the Ramsgate, say no more. One of the all time best captains. Born Leader who was rough around the edges
Chris Mcdermott is hardly squeaky clean. In the Roo mould.
Not sure about McGuneth and Bicks but both seem squeaky clean.
Now lets compare.
Wangas - A nice guy that everyone loves. Was not that great a captain
Primus - Pin up boy, his best role as captain was to get injured allowing Lade and Brogan to partner up and win 2004 flag.
Tredrea - As squeaky clean as they come, respect.
Dom - Squeaky clean, loves to make comments in media his players dont back up. A Poor mans Chris McDermott.
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2007: PAFC – second best team in the competition.
Grand finals are meant to be close. Second best teams don't lose grand finals by 20 goals.
2009 - Geelong by 12 points (23 scoring shots v 20 scoring shots)
2008 - Hawthorn by 26 points (34 scoring shots v 26 scoring shots)
2006 - West Coast by 1 point (25 scoring shots v 24 scoring shots)
2005 - Sydney by 4 points (18 scoring shots to 17 scoring shots)
2007 - Geelong by 119 points (43 scoring shots v 14 scoring shots)
Pick the odd one out.
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So a club 12 years on from winning it's second flag is bigger failure than a club 6 years on from winning it's first flag
That makes no sense
All I will say is that if we win our 3rd flag before Port win a second the flow on effect will basically be that the SANFL will more than likely have to foreclose on the 2nd SA sub-license.
you're the one who started the 6 years of failure reference. Regardless of how many flags have been won - your stretch of failure is longer than ours.
Not ignorant and totally do understand.
Primus needs to get the actual job first.
How many years until your next coach is a Premiership coach?
McGuiness is far from squeaky clean - he's just managed to keep his skeletons in the closet.
Wangas was a reluctant captain, but he always led by example.
Primus was an exceptional on-field leader - you're being overly harsh saying his best role was getting injured.
2007: PAFC – second best team in the competition.
Hahaha. Almost as funny as Collingwood beat Geelong Port win the flag. Hahaha
It will be years before we have a new coach but only a couple of years before our next flag
Your ex coach manages to keep clean cause of the charity he runs. No one has the balls to make the problems public
They are? Why?
Nice deflection answering a question by asking one
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which ex-coach does what now?
a couple of years before your next flag - so you've given up on next year already?
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Seriously ...you hang your opinion on so many useless and vague stats....
50/50 uncontested possessions....rubbish stat.
Would result from a quick clearing kick or a shank from anywhere on the ground.
Means nothing. Just like all your other garbage.
Originally Posted by fryingpan
Grand finals are meant to be close. Second best teams don't lose grand finals by 20 goals.
2009 - Geelong by 12 points (23 scoring shots v 20 scoring shots)
2008 - Hawthorn by 26 points (34 scoring shots v 26 scoring shots)
2006 - West Coast by 1 point (25 scoring shots v 24 scoring shots)
2005 - Sydney by 4 points (18 scoring shots to 17 scoring shots)
2007 - Geelong by 119 points (43 scoring shots v 14 scoring shots)
Pick the odd one out.
Answer THAT!
2007 ...embarrassment .... mentally demolished your group... but you seem to think it was great!
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Seriously ...you hang your opinion on so many useless and vague stats....
50/50 uncontested possessions....rubbish stat.
Would result from a quick clearing kick or a shank from anywhere on the ground.
Means nothing. Just like all your other garbage.
Answer THAT!
2007 ...embarrassment .... mentally demolished your group... but you seem to think it was great!
D_One answered it with "Grand finals are meant to be close? Wut? Why? The 2 best teams all year are battling it our for glory, why should it be a tight hard fought contest?"
That was actually a rare two question double deflection. This only happens when The_Douche has no legitimate answer.
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I would like him to answer this...
1. IF Port were second best side ...why did they get so comprehensively absolutely smashed when Collingwood got within a couple of kicks the week before?
2. How many games were won during the year by less than a kick or two?
3. If they were top 2 in 07 ...why the plummett in 08...?
4. Mark Williams was coach of that debacle...since that game the team struggled and continued to be the laughing stock . How come they never managed to reach such lofty heights in the following years when the list and coach were basically the same?
1. IF Port were second best side ...why did they get so comprehensively absolutely smashed when Collingwood got within a couple of kicks the week before?
2. How many games were won during the year by less than a kick or two?
3. If they were top 2 in 07 ...why the plummett in 08...?
4. Mark Williams was coach of that debacle...since that game the team struggled and continued to be the laughing stock . How come they never managed to reach such lofty heights in the following years when the list and coach were basically the same?
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Good luck trying to get him to answer any of that, it'll somehow get turned into how bad Tippett is.
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