Richo Vs Lloyd

[Madtiger2006]

Try:

1997: Lloyd
1998: Lloyd
1999: Lloyd
2000: Lloyd
2001: Lloyd
2002: Lloyd
2003: Lloyd
2004: Lloyd
2005: Richo
2006: Richo by default
2007: Tie
2008: Richo

A vote for Richardson is just plain wrong.

How about Richo's 1996 season of over 90 goals coming back from his knee injury of 1995?
You also didn't mention Richo missed almost a whole year with a foot injury. Might have been year 2000

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

How about Richo's 1996 season of over 90 goals coming back from his knee injury of 1995?
You also didn't mention Richo missed almost a whole year with a foot injury. Might have been year 2000

I didn't include '96 because comparing a 4th year KPP against a 2nd year KPP isn't particularly fair.

And you're right, Richo did miss most of the 2000 season. I think it's fair to say Lloyd's year would have been pretty hard to top regardless.

 

[Rhino27]

Matty Richardson by a country mile. I feel as a Carlton fan I can comment on temperamental forwards as Richo and the Fev have few peers.
This is kind of similar to the Lockett v Dunstall debate in that Lloyd is indisputably good at his job. Week in week out he is genuine, gets results and kicks his goals. He has also done this in a very good team for the most part, with excellent supply.
Richo is like Lockett, erratic mentally but so exciting to watch. Sometimes his off days are better to observe as a viewer than his good. But being the true "girl with a curl" that he is, as the poem says; when he is good he is very, very good. Also, like Lockett, he has had to get his own ball for much of his career as the Richmond teams he played with never had Hird, Long, the Johnsons and co hitting him on the chest laces out.
Also Richo has seen Lloyd's career in it's entirety, Richo was already a good player when Lloyd was just learning the trade and as Lloyd declines Richo is out there reinventing himself as some kind of Michael Tuck/ Craig Bradley type.
I also trust Richo in front of goal, sure he has his off days and they are well publicised, but he still gets his hands on the ball. And in a crunch situation I would feel comfortable with the ball in his hands.
Finally, on temperament, sure Richo is erratic and wears his heart on his sleeve, but never has he been the type to take the cheap shot or elbow in the ribs. Sure he has spat the dummy at umpires for not paying what he felt was an infringement, but he is not renowned for being a stager or diver, his fairness is unquestionable.
So Matthew Richardson in every category gets the tick for me.

 

[Burzum]

I'm pretty sure Lloyd re-invented his game into a superstar CHF.

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

Matty Richardson by a country mile.

Honestly, I can almost deal with a person saying Richo just, but I can't accept someone saying Richardson 'by a country mile'. It's just plain wrong.

I feel as a Carlton fan I can comment on temperamental forwards as Richo and the Fev have few peers.

Means nothing.

He has also done this in a very good team for the most part, with excellent supply.

Since (and including) his first real year ('96), we have made the finals 6 times. 3 of those finals appearances were 8th place, i.e. not a contender, not a 'very good' team. So in 13 years we have been a contender for the flag 3 times. I wouldn't call that 'being in a very good team for the most part'

Richo is like Lockett, erratic mentally but so exciting to watch. Sometimes his off days are better to observe as a viewer than his good. But being the true "girl with a curl" that he is, as the poem says; when he is good he is very, very good.

What has this got to do with being a better footballer than Lloyd? Basically what you're saying is he is inconsistent but more thrilling to watch. Doesn't really mean much (unless the topic is discussing which player is more entertaining).

Also, like Lockett, he has had to get his own ball for much of his career as the Richmond teams he played with never had Hird, Long, the Johnsons and co hitting him on the chest laces out.

Lloyd has NEVER had excellent delivery. Even from '99 to '01 our midfield was clearly our weakest point. Since when were the Johnson's known for having good disposal?

I also trust Richo in front of goal, sure he has his off days and they are well publicised, but he still gets his hands on the ball. And in a crunch situation I would feel comfortable with the ball in his hands.

Would you trust him in front of goals more than the most accurate forward in AFL history? Obviously not. Trusting Richardson in front of goal is ridiculous in itself.

Finally, on temperament, sure Richo is erratic and wears his heart on his sleeve, but never has he been the type to take the cheap shot or elbow in the ribs. Sure he has spat the dummy at umpires for not paying what he felt was an infringement, but he is not renowned for being a stager or diver, his fairness is unquestionable.

Seems you aren't discussing the actual topic anymore.

So Matthew Richardson in every category gets the tick for me.

I'm guessing most of your categories aren't related to overall on-field performance?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Richo being ahead in this thread, IMO, just proves that the average BigFooty poster started watching footy about 2 years ago. People have such short memories.

Lloyd spent 6 or 7 years as the best FF in the competition.

Same as in the Tredrea v Richo threads, i'll state again:

Richo has been undoubtedly a champion over his whole career. But he has never been in the top couple of FF or CHF players in the league, at any stage in his career, IMO. Lloyd spent many years as the undisputed best FF in the game.

 

[blaisee]

One was a champion Full Forward for a decade, the other was a failed Full Forward and forced to play on a wing. Lloyd easily.

i would hardly call 800 goals a failure

 

[lookkg386]

Please....Don't insult me, both great superstars who played different roles on varstly different teams.

 

[beaver fever]

Essendon supporters crapping on about Lloyd not having elite kicking midfielders to supply him does not change the fact that his supply was far superior to anything Richardson was served in his career.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Essendon supporters crapping on about Lloyd not having elite kicking midfielders to supply him does not change the fact that his supply was far superior to anything Richardson was served in his career.

So your saying the last two years are in Lloyd's favour because Richmond have had the better midfield?

 

[tony_montana]

So your saying the last two years are in Lloyd's favour because Richmond have had the better midfield?

remind us again who got the spoon 2 yrs ago?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

remind us again who got the spoon 2 yrs ago?

So Essendon have a better midfield than Port Adelaide because we finished above them? You had a better midfield but you had no backline.

 

[tony_montana]

Richo being ahead in this thread, IMO, just proves that the average BigFooty poster started watching footy about 2 years ago. People have such short memories.

Lloyd spent 6 or 7 years as the best FF in the competition.

Same as in the Tredrea v Richo threads, i'll state again:

Richo has been undoubtedly a champion over his whole career. But he has never been in the top couple of FF or CHF players in the league, at any stage in his career, IMO. Lloyd spent many years as the undisputed best FF in the game.

what a rubbish thing to say

 

[tony_montana]

So Essendon have a better midfield than Port Adelaide because we finished above them? You had a better midfield but you had no backline.

lmao

so we got the spoon but had a better midfield?

we had a midfield with zero decent rotations. we had crap fwd,mid and back, thats why we finished last

now is a different story

 

[Red Black and Blue]

lmao

so we got the spoon but had a better midfield?

we had a midfield with zero decent rotations. we had crap fwd,mid and back, thats why we finished last

now is a different story

We had Richard Cole Oh and the fact that we were one of the teams you actually beat, nearly twice if not for a Richo push in the back.

 

[beaver fever]

So your saying the last two years are in Lloyd's favour because Richmond have had the better midfield?

Perhaps last year and the coming years. Therefore 1 year so far out of their respective careers, Richardson has had better supply.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Perhaps last year and the coming years. Therefore 1 year so far out of their respective careers, Richardson has had better supply.

I'll accept that, but I will say with Richo playing as a goal kicking CHF most of his career, would have received more of the ball with Lloyd playing a lot deeper, regardless of quality, and Richo didn't have to share the load with another KPF unlike Lloyd.

 

[windyhill]

It is ot just delivery though, when you guys were dominating he certainly had it alot easier than Richo ever has

Knights ? Lambert ? Broderick ?

 

[tony_montana]

Knights ? Lambert ? Broderick ?

give me a break

how many times did we make finals with those guys?

essendon;s team has always been better except for last season and this season going fwd


.

 

[daffo]

I picked Lloydy, when both were goal kicking forwards Lloyd won a couple of colemans now both are doing well playing up the ground. Richo has had him covered the last year or so but Lloyd has been better over a longer period.

 

[beaver fever]

I'll accept that, but I will say with Richo playing as a goal kicking CHF most of his career, would have received more of the ball with Lloyd playing a lot deeper, regardless of quality, and Richo didn't have to share the load with another KPF unlike Lloyd.

Yes it explains why Richardson has more marks and more disposals. Also why Lloyd has more goals.

That argument can also work the other way. Richardson didn't have a foil to take the heat away from him, and was often double and triple teamed.

 

[windyhill]

give me a break

how many times did we make finals with those guys?

essendon;s team has always been better except for last season and this season going fwd


.

Those three boys put it on a platter for huge chunks of Richo`s career

 

[tony_montana]

Those three boys put it on a platter for huge chunks of Richo`s career

nowhere near as many times Lloydy got it lace out from your premiership winning side.

 

[windyhill]

nowhere near as many times Lloydy got it lace out from your premiership winning side.

I was just pointing out that to say Richo has had shocking delivery is clearly wrong. Knights in particular was un-canny in the way he could find him.

 

[Winner]

Richo being ahead in this thread, IMO, just proves that the average BigFooty poster started watching footy about 2 years ago. People have such short memories.

Lloyd spent 6 or 7 years as the best FF in the competition.

Same as in the Tredrea v Richo threads, i'll state again:

Richo has been undoubtedly a champion over his whole career. But he has never been in the top couple of FF or CHF players in the league, at any stage in his career, IMO. Lloyd spent many years as the undisputed best FF in the game.

This post summed up the thread and poll in a nutshell.