Simmo, seeing as you have seen both Lobb and Tabs play in the flesh (and similarish roles), who would you say has the higher ceiling? I thought Tabs looked very good early on in the year. Especially against the Dons in round 2
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Yes but if we get Hogan that's 2 injury suspect 1m dollar players on our list and this new " AFL " could be biting us on the ass pretty quick
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Like i said earlier, they're the ones with the problem. Pick 23 and we pick up $900K. Deal or no deal... Stuff the 11 for 14 swap.
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I'll take 900k with a grain of salt, I understand they would have backpaid it but that's just insane for Lobb.
If its anywhere near true and we give up 11 I'll absolutely filthy unless its 11 to 14 (by itself), even then I'd rather just give 23.
Getting high in this draft is stupidly expensive. WC cant even turn pick 20 and 21 into 11 or better.
Stay high, give them 23 or 18 if we get it from Neale. 11 should be almost off the table
If its anywhere near true and we give up 11 I'll absolutely filthy unless its 11 to 14 (by itself), even then I'd rather just give 23.
Getting high in this draft is stupidly expensive. WC cant even turn pick 20 and 21 into 11 or better.
Stay high, give them 23 or 18 if we get it from Neale. 11 should be almost off the table
I don't think you quite follow. I'm saying in the NBA teams have to give away draft picks in order to Salary Dump payers and get under salary caps. I'm not saying we are quite at that level yet, but no way should we be swapping our pick 11 for GWS 25.
I'm saying in the relatively "new" AFL of salary caps, huge salaries (ala GWS) and pick and player swapping, teams should get used to hardly getting anything at all when they are dumping players with huge salaries to get under caps.
I'm saying the deal sucks, and it should be more like 11 for 14 or the like, or pick 23 alone, as IP suggested.
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Lobb played every game in a breakout season for the Giants in 2016, when he took the second most contested marks in the competition (60) behind Gold Coast star Tom Lynch, and kicked 29.16 playing as a deep forward.
The Giants then gave him a fat 3 year contract, apparently with the third year at 900k.
Jason McCartney the GWS list manager came out today and said they basically have to trade players away to get under the cap. He inherited a list with a lot of big contracts coming up in 2019. A bit of a mess, really.
Everything points to Lobb's salary being around that size, so i think the only salt you can sample on this one is the mouthful we'll be eating if we give up pick 11 for an essential part of a GWS firesale.
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We would be the dumbest bunch of sea words to give 11 for Lobb.
Mate I am a Tabs fan, I feel he has so much potential and a massive tank. But I just am not sure if he will ever show that potential fully.
I reckon draft them both side by side without seeing them play AFL you would think Tabs would be better in the long run. But right now Lobb is far ahead in my opinion
Hopefully both can improve even more then we have a win win
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I understand , I'm just saying by trading in highly paid players it would not take much to go wrong before we are the team trying to dump players and having problems with the cap , someone said there are only 13 players on a 1m in the AFL , we already have one in Fyfe and now with Hogan asking for 1m and Lobb close to it it seems risky to have 3 players on that much money when there are so few in the league in general
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Lobb will have one year on top dollar and then go back to normal rates.
It's not $900k for 3/4/5 years, it will be only the first year.
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I think we might have two players on around 900k ,
Cameron and Kelly.
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Reports at the time he signed a 5 year deal in 2015 were 1 million a season, the club said it was less.
I think that's based on the assumption it was backended? What I've seen is media reports assuming that. If it was and how much is unknown of course. 2020 is the last year and if it was backended and simply moved out to the future that would likely be the biggest balloon payment.
Looking forward from 2015 the club was expecting out cap and list concessions to wind down and end in 2019. Of course that changed when we finished top 4 in 2016, and they ended abruptly. Not complaining we had very generous concessions and our list and depth in 2016 was insane.
I think it lends to the view we wouldn't have moved the payments to when the cap normalised though.There's been no reports of renegotiation, as there was with Scully's long term deal. Against that we may not have been expecting player retention to be as successful as it was.
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He’d be worth that if he didn’t occasionally play like Josh Jenkins
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I'd think Lobb is alredy agreed to in principle.
Whatever's left over from Beams > Neale > May > Hogan.
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Surely with GWS firesale, nothing more than pick 30. I’d like to see what change falls out of the hogan deal
Still amazed with the Scully deal - hoping we reference that in our negotiations
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Still amazed with the Scully deal - hoping we reference that in our negotiations
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Do they need to offload him now $cully is gone?
Yeah. Good question. We might need to give up 11 or downgrade 11 a bit with someone else to get something else we want and give the lower first rounder to GWS.
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Hmmm maybe we should have got Lobb deal done super quick before this whole fire sale situation.
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Agreed, if we get Hogan, GWS can keep that disgusting salary if they wont take a reasonable offer
