Preview Round 0 vs. Sydney, Thursday 7 March, 7:30pm @ SCG

[stEdy]

Schache only kicked 2 goals anyway. Missed an easy one that could have made it 3.

 

[demondavey]

Yeah, he is a poor man's Weid. Weid has at least had patches where he looks a player, dont think Schache has ever done that. It was probably the least impressive 3 goal game you'd see. Sparrow's 3 goal game was at least decent. Something for his defenders to say in your face over.

I think he was ok for the WB for a while as a defender, 2021.

 

[Topkent]

I think he was ok for the WB for a while as a defender, 2021.

He played 9 games in 2021 and about 3 of them were in defence LoL

 

[demondavey]

He played 9 games in 2021 and about 3 of them were in defence LoL

Oh ok, glad we’ve got you to right all our wrongs.

LOL

I simply remember some discussion about him filling a gap for them and being serviceable.

 

[Proper Gander]

Even the difference between Schache and JVR was noticeable. JVR competes and hates getting beaten, Josh just gets happily tossed to the side. Hard to believe Josh was a top 2 pick with not a drop of competitive juice in his body.

Interesting isn’t it? He just doesn’t seem to have the heart for it. I guess he’s tall and a decent kick for goal - maybe an early developer in size? - which made him more impressive in juniors

 

[Proper Gander]

Oh ok, glad we’ve got you to right all our wrongs.

LOL

I simply remember some discussion about him filling a gap for them and being serviceable.

I think there was a bit of media chat about how it was clever of Bevo to play him in some role or other? Maybe that was as a defender, I forget now. But I recall that too. At the end of the day they delisted him though. It would be ace if he could come good, but given his track record I’m doubting it.

Does he perform well in the VFL? I don’t have any memory of anyone saying he has made his mark there, but I confess I don’t follow the VFL closely

 

[demondavey]

I think there was a bit of media chat about how it was clever of Bevo to play him in some role or other? Maybe that was as a defender, I forget now. But I recall that too. At the end of the day they delisted him though. It would be ace if he could come good, but given his track record I’m doubting it.

Does he perform well in the VFL? I don’t have any memory of anyone saying he has made his mark there, but I confess I don’t follow the VFL closely

He always seems to kick a few. Mind you, has he ever lifted a weight? His body shape looks pretty average after close to a decade of AFL.

 

[Daemon]

Am I the only person here who wants Petty to go back and replace Tomo when he's fit?

 

[demondavey]

Am I the only person here who wants Petty to go back and replace Tomo when he's fit?

Happy for him to play forward if another younger defender comes on. If he can kick 40 goals a year then that’s what we need. I am more concerned about the Steven May replacement long term.

 

[Scythe94]

Am I the only person here who wants Petty to go back and replace Tomo when he's fit?

Tommo as the second tall defender > Schache as the second tall forward/ruck, imo.

 

[Lampers]

He just frustrates me because he seems to be good in the VFL yet he can’t translate it at all. I just felt maybe just maybe he might offer something in 2024 given the wind down of McDonald and Brown. Wishing thinking more than anything but I sort of hoped those 3 goals may have been the start of him clicking. I guess it’s another Weidemann. They were drafted the same year.

I think Schache’s VFL dominance is due to him having a size and skill advantage over pretty much any defender he comes up against when he’s a forward.

He just doesn’t get that at AFL level if there’s only one other genuine tall forward there with him.

As a ruck he got monstered in pretty much every ruck contest against Carlton. Couldn’t even hold his ground and just halve the contest and that will hurt in ball ups in the defensive 50.

I work with a Bulldogs fan and he’s always said Schache is fine in a long leading forward role so he’s not in traffic. But as soon as the physical stuff happens he’s no good.

Very similar to Watts. If Schache or Watts was 185cm and playing as an outside forward flank or wing with those kicking skills you’d be pretty happy.

Having said all of that, as a third tall option I don’t mind him if there’s a van Rooyen and Petty as the main targets who demand attention from the stronger defenders. Schache is the most reliable set shot on the list. He only needs two or three chances in a game and can still be effective leading deep into pockets and flanks.

 

[jhong]

Am I the only person here who wants Petty to go back and replace Tomo when he's fit?

I guess what started as a Hail Mary has evolved into an important part of the forward line . I just want him on the park no matter where he plays .

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Am I the only person here who wants Petty to go back and replace Tomo when he's fit?

If Fullerton gets a few games and looks capable as a ruck forward before Petty returns I can see Petty replacing Tomo. If May were to get injured hell have to go back coz we have nobody else. (TMac is not a viable option Simon)

 

[Daemon]

Tommo as the second tall defender > Schache as the second tall forward/ruck, imo.

I agree at the moment, but if McAdams and Petty are fit at the same time, I'd prefer Petty back and McAdams forward. Unless injuries the other two can go to VFL.

 

[Scythe94]

I agree at the moment, but if McAdams and Petty are fit at the same time, I'd prefer Petty back and McAdams forward. Unless injuries the other two can go to VFL.

Fair enough, think that's too much pressure to put on JVR though (McAdam is only a small-medium forward), meaning JVR would be the only key, and when he needs to ruck, it'd leave us with Fritsch as our tallest forward.

I'm the last person to conflate height and ability, however, structurally it'd just make us too small I think. Fingers crossed Fullarton comes along as decent depth.

 

[Toump Ass]

Schache was unreal in the 2021 prelim against Port. Shutdown Aliir Aliir

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Aliir Aliir

Age

30

Ht

194cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.2

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

5.9

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

240.9

4star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

158.4

3star

Aliir (who I think was AA in defence that year?), also had 5 shots on goal.

Spuds Day Out that one, Mitch Hannan kicked 3 in a half.

Port Adelaide were incredible that day. I've never seen a team shit their pants so badly before, and I follow Melbourne Demons. I've watched that prelim more than any other game aside from the flag. I love watching Port get embarrassed like that, it's so much fun.

Rest of his year was trash tho. Played 5 games outside of being subbed, 4 of them finals.
Only other thing I remember from his finals campaign was getting killed by King Angus Brayshaw

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Angus Brayshaw

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.3

5star

MG

233.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.2

4star

MG

233.5

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

5.6

5star

. Done **** all since then.

Would love to see him named.

 

[mrmonkey]

Even the difference between Schache and JVR was noticeable. JVR competes and hates getting beaten, Josh just gets happily tossed to the side. Hard to believe Josh was a top 2 pick with not a drop of competitive juice in his body.

I'm not surprised he went at number 2 because it's easy to look good at under 18 level. Very rarely do you get a monster like Hawkins pushing school kids around and complely dominating. I'm no draft expert but perhaps Schache's skill looked class at under 18s compared to a curnow, we even went with weid as well.

 

[Topkent]

I'm not surprised he went at number 2 because it's easy to look good at under 18 level. Very rarely do you get a monster like Hawkins pushing school kids around and complely dominating. I'm no draft expert but perhaps Schache's skill looked class at under 18s compared to a curnow, we even went with weid as well.

They also have the zones and only one on one rules and shit in the juniors. Spose recruiters also thought you can teach toughness to a level but not skill

 

[demondavey]

How did you manage to turn schache wasn't good lol into a personal vendetta. You're very clearly hung up on past interactions that I promise you I don't remember lol.

I'll make sure I agree with everything you say from now so not to cop another personal attack from you though.

Train goes nowhere, sunny. No point going on with this. Enjoy your weekend. It’s nice weather.

 

[mrmonkey]

They also have the zones and only one on one rules and s**t in the juniors. Spose recruiters also thought you can teach toughness to a level but not skill

Probably think if they can put on some weight they will be more competitive but it's between the ears not a strength thing. I remember playing footy with this bloke who was a big guy. I told him he is too nice and he needs to run through defenders if they get in the way, he just had no campaigner in him. Pickett isn't big but he is a competitive beast.

 

[Topkent]

Probably think if they can put on some weight they will be more competitive but it's between the ears not a strength thing. I remember playing footy with this bloke who was a big guy. I told him he is too nice and he needs to run through defenders if they get in the way, he just had no campaigner in him. Pickett isn't big but he is a competitive beast.

I mean JVR as an example, or for an even better one Viney. Small bastard but you lock him in a room with any man on earth relatively close to his size and he'll find a way out

 

[melbun]

As always, the opening week will be interesting for which players are in or out, which ones have improved, which ones have got worse.

 

[Crusty Demon]

If Fullerton gets a few games and looks capable as a ruck forward before Petty returns I can see Petty replacing Tomo. If May were to get injured hell have to go back coz we have nobody else. (TMac is not a viable option Simon)

I think you are going to be disappointed with Fullerton. He's not very good at all. I'd honestly rather Schache. Fullerton is still fairly young and maybe has time, but from what I've seen and what Lions fans were saying, he's next to useless. Petty has to go forward unless Jeffe starts showing signs. This is where Petty will be a massive loss if he leaves. Can play both ends of the ground really well. Not that he was a gun, but it's also frustrating that Joel Smith is done. Because he was another that could play both ends. Not as well as Petty, but we don't have too many versatile players like those 2 who have proven they can fill a gap forward or back.

 

[danster168]

disappointing that we got rid of harmes and Goodwin never used him in his best position as a tagger. I'm sure Gulden will come out and have 40 touches and 3 goals. The backline will always be scary when Tomo is there. Even against Carlton he got beaten pretty badly.

 

[Lord Nev]

No Adams, Parker or Mills.