Review Round 10, 2022 - Hawthorn vs. Brisbane Lions

[Nunez]

I really appreciate this work ZoBlitz. Do you know if any of Prior, Berry and Ah Chee are playing a secondary position at all?

Ah Chee rests forward at times.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Ah Chee rests forward at times.

Yeah, I must admit I generally just focus on checking who the wings are beyond anything else but my feeling is that they probably rest forward. Might need to focus on this question next time I'm live at a game.

 

[KissKiss]

Plus bench time makes up the rest

 

[Nathan Barley]

Yeah all 3 wings seem to only play about 70% game time

 

[Jivlain]

 

[Nathan Barley]

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Basically kills off the fat side wing theory

 

[davemc_lions]

Basically kills off the fat side wing theory

Looks like Berry and Prior have a wing and Ah Chee rotates between both prob while they are on bench.

 

[Dalions]

Basically kills off the fat side wing theory

It does?

 

[Nathan Barley]

It does?

All 3 playing both wings, 17 possessions left wing and 19 right.

Doesnt look like theyre allocated a wing or one wing is most likely to result in more possessions

 

[dlanod]

All 3 playing both wings, 17 possessions left wing and 19 right.

Doesnt look like theyre allocated a wing or one wing is most likely to result in more possessions

That's where they got possessions, not necessarily where they lined up at centre bounces. I'm not sure how you can distinguish fat side wings from that, given the fat side is the side away from the boundary at a contest - any of those dots could be the fat side if it's a contest and where it is, or even none if none of those possessions came from the set up at a contest and were just from open play instead.

 

[Nathan Barley]

That's where they got possessions, not necessarily where they lined up at centre bounces. I'm not sure how you can distinguish fat side wings from that, given the fat side is the side away from the boundary at a contest - any of those dots could be the fat side if it's a contest and where it is, or even none if none of those possessions came from the set up at a contest and were just from open play instead.

But the theory was that the wing who plays on the fat side rarely touches the ball because all the play goes through the other wing and it’s mainly a defensive position. But from the look of things the play was on both wings equally and all 3 wings spent time playing either wing.

So yeah there will be times when you play on a wing on the opposite side of the ground to where the play is occurring but its unlikely that one of our wingers gets stuck on a side that never gets the footy

 

[Dalions]

But the theory was that the wing who plays on the fat side rarely touches the ball because all the play goes through the other wing and it’s mainly a defensive position. But from the look of things the play was on both wings equally and all 3 wings spent time playing either wing.

So yeah there will be times when you play on a wing on the opposite side of the ground to where the play is occurring but its unlikely that one of our wingers gets stuck on a side that never gets the footy

The wing spot is a bit more rotational these days in comparison to a couple of years ago when it was basically just Robbo and Clugga.
My understanding was that Robbo would always set up on the fat side depending on what side of the ground the play was.
And when talking about the graphs posted above there are 4 quarters of football 2 running one way and 2 the other so even if you play the one side wing you are going to get posessions on both sides of the ground as a result.

 

[dlanod]

And when talking about the graphs posted above there are 4 quarters of football 2 running one way and 2 the other so even if you play the one side wing you are going to get posessions on both sides of the ground as a result.

Interesting. I initially thought of this and discarded it - after all the forward/defensive 50s have swapped, so the ends will swap as well.

However your post made me reconsider. The tendency of modern teams is to prefer a specific wing, whether it's because the common set-up player has a left/right foot preference or as simple as they prefer to play away from the interchange (as you often hear about players "stuck" on the bench as a result), so there potentially is bias introduced in the wing choice as you note.

 

[Dalions]

Interesting. I initially thought of this and discarded it - after all the forward/defensive 50s have swapped, so the ends will swap as well.

However your post made me reconsider. The tendency of modern teams is to prefer a specific wing, whether it's because the common set-up player has a left/right foot preference or as simple as they prefer to play away from the interchange (as you often hear about players "stuck" on the bench as a result), so there potentially is bias introduced in the wing choice as you note.

When at the Gabba the Lions always tend to play down the interchange side of the ground. It’s not too often that they play the other way.

 

[Nathan Barley]

The wing spot is a bit more rotational these days in comparison to a couple of years ago when it was basically just Robbo and Clugga.
My understanding was that Robbo would always set up on the fat side depending on what side of the ground the play was.
And when talking about the graphs posted above there are 4 quarters of football 2 running one way and 2 the other so even if you play the one side wing you are going to get posessions on both sides of the ground as a result.

Agree re. Robbo and Clugga but Robbo still used to rack up the touches

The graph accounts for that with forward down one end and back at the other. So there’s basically a left and a right side if you’re moving the ball forward

 

[davemc_lions]

Interesting. I initially thought of this and discarded it - after all the forward/defensive 50s have swapped, so the ends will swap as well.

However your post made me reconsider. The tendency of modern teams is to prefer a specific wing, whether it's because the common set-up player has a left/right foot preference or as simple as they prefer to play away from the interchange (as you often hear about players "stuck" on the bench as a result), so there potentially is bias introduced in the wing choice as you note.

Rich kicks out 95% of the time to the left of screen.

 

[Dalions]

Rich kicks out 95% of the time to the left of screen.

Not at the Gabba.
Watch him today, from the Wellington rd end he will kick predominately to the left and from the Ipswich rd end he will kick to the right.
Which is the interchange side of the ground.

 

[Dalions]

Agree re. Robbo and Clugga but Robbo still used to rack up the touches

The graph accounts for that with forward down one end and back at the other. So there’s basically a left and a right side if you’re moving the ball forward

Correct, but you still have a fat and a skinny wing. Depending on the way the play goes, as to which side is which.

 

[davemc_lions]

Not at the Gabba.
Watch him today, from the Wellington rd end he will kick predominately to the left and from the Ipswich rd end he will kick to the right.
Which is the interchange side of the ground.

ok on TV always looks he kicks to the left. I watch today again.

 

[Dalions]

ok on TV always looks he kicks to the left. I watch today again.

Depends on what the opposition give him too.
If they give him and easy outlet the other way he will take it.