Round 4 Trades

[Butler]

No trades.

By the looks of it a lot of people are going to run out of trades early this year. So much sideways trading.

I reckon Stack will be a must have next week which could see some people already using 7 trades without injuries.

 

[go you pups]

No trades.

By the looks of it a lot of people are going to run out of trades early this year. So much sideways trading.

I reckon Stack will be a must have next week which could see some people already using 7 trades without injuries.

You made one so far?

Yeah I'll likely make two next week being Stack for Gibbons or Scott and either upgrade Cousins to best available depending on breakevens or turf Balta to Hore, will leave me on 26 after that then I'll reassess for round 6, hopefully Ross or other rookies are around

 

[TheRednWhite]

Out of interest, how many luxury trades can you afford to make in RDT?

I've made 3 so far:
Cripps to Rocky
Dunks to Boak
Taranto to Libba

Dunks to Boak not looking that luxury anymore, genuine upgrade. Libba was just such good value. Only real shocker was Cripps to Rocky. As a rough estimate, how many trades should you be taking into the byes?

 

[Magician]

Did Dusty to Bont this week. Glad that experiment is over and done with.

 

[Pea Nut]

Out of interest, how many luxury trades can you afford to make in RDT?

I've made 3 so far:
Cripps to Rocky
Dunks to Boak
Taranto to Libba

Dunks to Boak not looking that luxury anymore, genuine upgrade. Libba was just such good value. Only real shocker was Cripps to Rocky. As a rough estimate, how many trades should you be taking into the byes?

The determining factor will be how much cash the rookies make. If you can have a handful of rookies that make huge cash, which looks very likely this year, you can afford a few extra sideways trades. It's when the rookies are making very little that it starts to become tough, as you need to use a bunch of trades just to get up to one premo.

 

[Butler]

You made one so far?

Yeah I'll likely make two next week being Stack for Gibbons or Scott and either upgrade Cousins to best available depending on breakevens or turf Balta to Hore, will leave me on 26 after that then I'll reassess for round 6, hopefully Ross or other rookies are around

Yeh I've made my 4 fix up trades.

Out: Dusty, Greene, Moore and Bailey Smith
In: T.Kelly, Newman, Cousins and Schultz

I've got rid of my biggest problem and worst selection in Dusty. Greene I traded out after round 1 which was a risk but a good decision based on him missing the next 3 weeks and Moore to Cousins was a structural decision.

Barring injuries I'm settled on my premium selections now (Lycett is a worry but I'm willing to be patient with him) so just rookie trades for a while for me.

For the record I think aggressive trading early is a valid option.. I just think there is some trades being made that are more suited to Fantasy.

 

[Butler]

Out of interest, how many luxury trades can you afford to make in RDT?

I've made 3 so far:
Cripps to Rocky
Dunks to Boak
Taranto to Libba

Dunks to Boak not looking that luxury anymore, genuine upgrade. Libba was just such good value. Only real shocker was Cripps to Rocky. As a rough estimate, how many trades should you be taking into the byes?

Problem with your trades is that you have ditched 2 players that will probably end up being keepers for the year.

Trading out Dunkley to Boak is an excellent trade because selecting Dunkley at the start of the year your were backing in him to make the jump. His current form and role isn't showing that he will make that jump so that's a correction trade. A calculated choice.

Taranto and Cripps have played the roles you expected them to play coming into the season and haven't really put a foot wrong. Cripps is every chance to be a top 8 mid and Taranto a top 6 forward and if they do those are wasted trades regardless of how Rockliff and Libba go. Trades are highly valuable later on in the season. (It's why this version is so much better than AFL fantasy).

In saying that, don't get down on yourself about the trades whether they work out or not. No one gets it 100% right and even trades that aren't textbook work out for the best. I'm just offering advice going off my past mistakes.

 

[TheRednWhite]

The determining factor will be how much cash the rookies make. If you can have a handful of rookies that make huge cash, which looks very likely this year, you can afford a few extra sideways trades. It's when the rookies are making very little that it starts to become tough, as you need to use a bunch of trades just to get up to one premo.

I think I have a decent crop of rookies. Only Scott is not playing, Balta and Burgess also not going to make cash in a hurry. The rest are Duurs, Clark, Scrim, Walsh, Constable, Butters, Atkins, Setters, Drew, Parker. Think I need to get Hore and Stack next week so that's another 2 trades burnt. Also had Cousins from the start which is handy. I reckon that is a decent crop so gives me freedom to be a bit aggressive on trades early on. Starting squad had no real spud premos which is nice, only Dunks deserved to be traded

 

[TheRednWhite]

Problem with your trades is that you have ditched 2 players that will probably end up being keepers for the year.

Trading out Dunkley to Boak is an excellent trade because selecting Dunkley at the start of the year your were backing in him to make the jump. His current form and role isn't showing that he will make that jump so that's a correction trade. A calculated choice.

Taranto and Cripps have played the roles you expected them to play coming into the season and haven't really put a foot wrong. Cripps is every chance to be a top 8 mid and Taranto a top 6 forward and if they do those are wasted trades regardless of how Rockliff and Libba go. Trades are highly valuable later on in the season. (It's why this version is so much better than AFL fantasy).

In saying that, don't get down on yourself about the trades whether they work out or not. No one gets it 100% right and even trades that aren't textbook work out for the best. I'm just offering advice going off my past mistakes.

Taranto is mid only, would never trade if he was a fwd haha. I am expecting taranto to drop to a 90 average, which Libba can also do so huge cash grab. Ward back this week and Jelly getting more inside mid time will not work in Taranto's favour

Agree re Cripps though, that was a major stuff up

 

[go you pups]

Out of interest, how many luxury trades can you afford to make in RDT?

I've made 3 so far:
Cripps to Rocky
Dunks to Boak
Taranto to Libba

Dunks to Boak not looking that luxury anymore, genuine upgrade. Libba was just such good value. Only real shocker was Cripps to Rocky. As a rough estimate, how many trades should you be taking into the byes?

Depends

If you trade every week from round 2 til the byes then you're likely going to be stuffed unless you have luck with injuries and you're nailing rookies/cash generation moves

I feel if you use say 2 trades by round 3, 4 by round 4 and 5 by round 5 you have some wiggle room for later if injuries and form and the like are kind

Early trades should be only corrections imo, you can go the aggressive way like a few others have done starting with a couple hundred K in the bank, but for mine they're just corrections

Round 7 is normally the week to be aggressive and start upgrading as some rookies normally start peaking around then/have minimal growth left, but if you're trading every week you could be up to 12 trades down by lockout for that week

I'm thinking

For me

R2 0 trades
R3 2 trades
R4 0 trades
R5 2 trades
R6 1-2 trades

24-25 trades left by round 7 when I'm aggressively upgrading

So when I make my first traditional upgrade in round 7 I'll likely be 7-8 trades down, but hopefully my team will be set, good rookies popping up ready to be brought in etc. Until then, gotta pray for no injuries, I generally always attack round 7 right through to the end of the byes hard in order to complete my side quickly.

Hypothetically

22-23 trades left

R8 2 trades
R9 2 trades
R10 2 trades
R11 2 trades

14-15 trades left

Byes come around rounds 12-14

I normally use 7-9 trades during the byes with the intention of completing my side during them, but it's not always possible to complete by then if injuries/rookies have been unkind, so sometimes the first week after the byes is when team is complete

So after the byes it'll be something between 5-8 trades left. I'd be hoping for 8 and some coverage and I'll sit on that until injuries or poor form start forcing my hand, but that's not always possible. If you've got a good 5-6 trades leftover say around round 19-20 then you can definitely start the luxury sideways trades here to give yourself the best chance during finals to win your league/climb the ranks when others start dropping off due to a lack of trades


I'm hoping with gun rookies like Walsh and Constable around, when they peak it'll be only a one trade job to a fallen premo if they have to be moved on, thus significantly helping in the trades remaining department getting maximum value from them, but I can see one of them or Libba being my M9 eventually

 

[TheRednWhite]

Depends

If you trade every week from round 2 til the byes then you're likely going to be stuffed unless you have luck with injuries and you're nailing rookies/cash generation moves

I feel if you use say 2 trades by round 3, 4 by round 4 and 5 by round 5 you have some wiggle room for later if injuries and form and the like are kind

Early trades should be only corrections imo, you can go the aggressive way like a few others have done starting with a couple hundred K in the bank, but for mine they're just corrections

Round 7 is normally the week to be aggressive and start upgrading as some rookies normally start peaking around then/have minimal growth left, but if you're trading every week you could be up to 12 trades down by lockout for that week

I'm thinking

For me

R2 0 trades
R3 2 trades
R4 0 trades
R5 2 trades
R6 1-2 trades

24-25 trades left by round 7 when I'm aggressively upgrading

So when I make my first traditional upgrade in round 7 I'll likely be 7-8 trades down, but hopefully my team will be set, good rookies popping up ready to be brought in etc. Until then, gotta pray for no injuries, I generally always attack round 7 right through to the end of the byes hard in order to complete my side quickly.

Hypothetically

22-23 trades left

R8 2 trades
R9 2 trades
R10 2 trades
R11 2 trades

14-15 trades left

Byes come around rounds 12-14

I normally use 7-9 trades during the byes with the intention of completing my side during them, but it's not always possible to complete by then if injuries/rookies have been unkind, so sometimes the first week after the byes is when team is complete

So after the byes it'll be something between 5-8 trades left. I'd be hoping for 8 and some coverage and I'll sit on that until injuries or poor form start forcing my hand, but that's not always possible. If you've got a good 5-6 trades leftover say around round 19-20 then you can definitely start the luxury sideways trades here to give yourself the best chance during finals to win your league/climb the ranks when others start dropping off due to a lack of trades


I'm hoping with gun rookies like Walsh and Constable around, when they peak it'll be only a one trade job to a fallen premo if they have to be moved on, thus significantly helping in the trades remaining department getting maximum value from them, but I can see one of them or Libba being my M9 eventually

Thanks for the great response, exactly what I was looking for. Good insight into trading strategy, something which I've never really done for RDT. So we try to aim to have completed sides after byes...hmm didn't do that last year, no wonder why I was dropping rank so much after the byes.

 

[Butler]

Taranto is mid only, would never trade if he was a fwd haha. I am expecting taranto to drop to a 90 average, which Libba can also do so huge cash grab. Ward back this week and Jelly getting more inside mid time will not work in Taranto's favour

Agree re Cripps though, that was a major stuff up

Yeh I have no idea why I said Taranto was a fwd.. Still stuck in last year's DT.. It is getting late haha But my point is still the same regardless. He has performed exactly how you would have hoped him to coming into the season and Ward/Kelly were always going to be part of that equation.. But I understand the reasoning behind that trade. Obviously would have been better for you if Libba wasn't going so well early so you could see how Taranto goes with Ward and Kelly in the side.

 

[TheRednWhite]

Yeh I have no idea why I said Taranto was a fwd.. Still stuck in last year's DT.. It is getting late haha But my point is still the same regardless. He has performed exactly how you would have hoped him to coming into the season and Ward/Kelly were always going to be part of that equation.. But I understand the reasoning behind that trade. Obviously would have been better for you if Libba wasn't going so well early so you could see how Taranto goes with Ward and Kelly in the side.

Yeah it was more Libba forcing my hand rather than anything Taranto did wrong...the cash grab was just too hard to ignore and I justified that it was worth spending a trade for it. And Taranto was never really part of my plans in RDT, just decided to copy most of my AF midfield in the last minute. Taranto was a good AF pick because I knew Ward would be out at the start and Taranto's JLT was great with the mid time he got. I traded him this week in AF too because I thought he would return to last year's role when he didn't get as much mid time. Should never have picked him in RDT based on this, never thought he would be a keeper in AF so stupid to start him in RDT where there is limited trades

 

[go you pups]

Thanks for the great response, exactly what I was looking for. Good insight into trading strategy, something which I've never really done for RDT. So we try to aim to have completed sides after byes...hmm didn't do that last year, no wonder why I was dropping rank so much after the byes.

Yep round 14-15 historically is when my team will be done, but I've also made coverage trades too, normally by pushing underperforming premiums to the bench or trading in midpricers as coverage has saved my ass a few times over the years, but with a rolling lockout now in play, it's not really needed as we can loophole rookies for bench coverage if premiums are out/late withdrawals now, so good rookies who score solidly enough plus have good job security is all we'll need

Since I started playing this current format of DT in 2014 my methods have had mixed results, last year was a nightmare, came 1087th, my worst result in this format, 2016 was great for 3/4 of that season and was in the top 100 for a good 2 months or so, but I crashed and burnt by round 19-20 when the injuries came and hit hard.

2014 was my best year by far, finishing 31st, had quite a few durable players who fronted up every week that year, though they weren't top performers in their respective positions, they stood up when it mattered most in DT finals when popular premos like JPK, Fyfe, Boomer, Beams, Pendles, Rocky etc were getting injuries/late withdrawals or suspensions, so had great coverage when others were dropping like flies. Getting Stef Martin and Anthony Miles mid season was a godsend for coverage and they ended up outscoring premos so had to be fielded, Stef benched Sandi while Miles was M8 some weeks as Ebert struggled in the back end of that year after starting like a steam train (he and Brent Stanton historically have scored like this over the years so have picked both a few times for their fast starts). During the byes that year I got to 24th, but I fell back to around 40-50 instantly after the byes as my durable types didn't have the ceiling plus I was a little weak at D5-6 + F5-6 (not having Robbie Gray for example until late that season hurt), so my scoring was consistent, but lacked a point of difference until late in the season when the durable types 90-110s were standing up over donuts/rookies

Anyways, end of the day, nail your picks, start with the forwards and defence imo, they're the easiest to get right normally. Midfield is the hardest due to its diversity.

 

[Bradkli]

Should have gone with the gut and done rocky to Libba crisp to Whitfield. Can’t wait to watch Whitfield score another 130+ today. Another year of punishment continues.


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[Pea Nut]

Should have gone with the gut and done rocky to Libba crisp to Whitfield. Can’t wait to watch Whitfield score another 130+ today. Another year of punishment continues.


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GMHBA stadium doesn't give Whitfield much room to go to work. Plus the impact he's been having surely means he starts getting attention. I think that game might not be as bad as you expect.

 

[Wels Eicke]

Just on the trades thing, I haven't used any yet, and I think it's been a big mistake. For two weeks have wanted to do Dunkley/Gibbons to Libba/Rozee. Have decided against it both times. Now stuck with Dunkley and only 20K in the bank, my first downgrade (hopefully Stack next week), is all going to go to upgrading Dunkley. Or I just ride it out. Either way, down lots of points and money made.

 

[go you pups]

GMHBA stadium doesn't give Whitfield much room to go to work. Plus the impact he's been having surely means he starts getting attention. I think that game might not be as bad as you expect.

Yep, 80-90 for Whitfield I think, might scrape a ton, will be genuinely surprised if he goes 115+

 

[go you pups]

Just on the trades thing, I haven't used any yet, and I think it's been a big mistake. For two weeks have wanted to do Dunkley/Gibbons to Libba/Rozee. Have decided against it both times. Now stuck with Dunkley and only 20K in the bank, my first downgrade (hopefully Stack next week), is all going to go to upgrading Dunkley. Or I just ride it out. Either way, down lots of points and money made.

Who do you have up forward already?

You might feel you're behind others right now, but you have extra wiggle room to be aggressive in fixing mistakes like Dunkley up at least if you use your extra trades wisely. I wouldn't be too concerned with say Gibbons to Stack and Dunkley to premium, you'll likely be getting no change from it, but your side will be better off long term I'd imagine

If you were say 4 trades down already and still need to move Dunkley on then it could hurt later in the season though

 

[Wels Eicke]

Who do you have up forward already?

You might feel you're behind others right now, but you have extra wiggle room to be aggressive in fixing mistakes like Dunkley up at least if you use your extra trades wisely. I wouldn't be too concerned with say Gibbons to Stack and Dunkley to premium, you'll likely be getting no change from it, but your side will be better off long term I'd imagine

If you were say 4 trades down already and still need to move Dunkley on then it could hurt later in the season though

Danger, Heeney, Boak, Dunkley, Setterfield and Drew onfield, Parker & Balta on bench. Have Hore down back, so that's one player who didn't look like doing much that might provide some extra money. Apart from Rozee, have the other main rookies.

I tend to back my picks in longer that I should, especially when it's obvious things aren't going to go to plan. But yeah, Gibbons or Atkins to Stack and Dunkley to whoever will have to happen. Most likely Kelly or Menagola could be a POD seeing how he goes today.

Thanks for the input.

 

[go you pups]

Also on that Wels Eicke

I used my first two last week on both Dunkley and Heeney to Newnes and Kelly, I'm kicking myself on not holding Heeney

If say I went Balta to Petruccelle/Miers and Dunkley to Kelly I'd be way better off, but I'd have only like 65k in the bank if I did that, I have 242k though with the Kelly/Newnes move (going down to Newnes gave me quite a bit), so I just need to be sure I make the most of my early upgrades in a few weeks time to get value from that downgrade as I'm likely sacrificing points lost on Heeney here, Newnes will have to score 140 tomorrow to be on par with him on onfield output since the move as Heeney's 121 + 105 is ahead of Newnes' 86


Right now Balta is a problem as he doesn't find the footy, Gibbons likely peaks early and Scott might peak early also/have JS issues, so will pick them off on order of priority, Setterfield could also be lumped here too if he goes 50 again tomorrow. Cousins may also peak early, so as he has more value I'm looking at upgrading him early, probably round 6-7, but maybe next week even if he puts another 60 up.

So yeah, just prioritise getting rid of your issues that could burn you long term first, then be proactive with your trades in completing your side

 

[go you pups]

Danger, Heeney, Boak, Dunkley, Setterfield and Drew onfield, Parker & Balta on bench. Have Hore down back, so that's one player who didn't look like doing much that might provide some extra money. Apart from Rozee, have the other main rookies.

I tend to back my picks in longer that I should, especially when it's obvious things aren't going to go to plan. But yeah, Gibbons or Atkins to Stack and Dunkley to whoever will have to happen. Most likely Kelly or Menagola could be a POD seeing how he goes today.

Thanks for the input.

Yep Kelly would be the likely option, Menegola might bottom out soon so yep he could be an option and also Devon Smith as a POD would be an option too, he's starting to warm up and is falling in price, many didn't start with him due to his price and interrupted preseason, but he's still a tackling machine, so I'm liking what I see when he's ready to be picked off at the right price (maybe 650k or so).

You've got Boak already though so that helps

 

[Wels Eicke]

Thanks Pups. Forgot all about Devon Smith. He'd be a great option. Except he's probably a couple of weeks off being bottomed out, need to get rid of Dunkley now. Either way....he's gone!

 

[go you pups]

Thanks Pups. Forgot all about Devon Smith. He'd be a great option. Except he's probably a couple of weeks off being bottomed out, need to get rid of Dunkley now. Either way....he's gone!

Reckon if Smith goes 110 today he'll be pretty close to bottomed out

Scored 106 last week I think

 

[Bradkli]

My only way of getting Whitfield is rocky to libba then Crisp to Whitfield...both bad trades this week but just can’t not have Whitfield...I think libba and Whitfield outscore crisp and rocky over the year.


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Can’t wait for rocky to be a late out...can’t believe I didn’t do this trade. Sickening. Libba another 100+ and Whitfield another 120+ when he was meant to struggle at GMHBA