Review Round 6, 2018 - GWS vs. Brisbane Lions

[lioninthesand]

Nobody was writing Witho off.

I saw a few posters saying he was over weight, that his cheap chip kicks had been exposed, that he needed to go back to the twos and that he had been a bit of a false dawn in terms of hype. I saw the need for rebuttle and people defending him. Written off might be a bit strong, but certinally marked hard.

 

[Lions Flag 2020]

If Gardiner doesn't get player of the round for us for his game against GWS then he never will.

 

[Eons]

Like to see a graph of where we are taking our shots for goal this year and last year. Teams seem to be blocking the corridor and pushing opposition out to the pockets.

The best way to overcome this is playing on quickly and getting players loose out the back.

Some of our misses have been horrible but theres more to it than just bad kicking.

 

[James North]

Heading into forward 50 pockets seems to be a bit of a thing of recent years across the AFL - mostly to get a boundary throw-in so that you can put into place your rehearsed scenarios.

 

[Eons]

Heading into forward 50 pockets seems to be a bit of a thing of recent years across the AFL - mostly to get a boundary throw-in so that you can put into place your rehearsed scenarios.

If theres no options in the corridor, correct. There seems to be less and less clear scoring options this year compared to others. The teams who move the ball quicker and can create loose options out the back will be the dominant teams this year.

 

[Eons]

I thibk O'Mac will be a very good player for us in the future. He's similar to Rory Lobb and he took a few years to become as good as he is now.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Hammer showed no signs of doing anything at AFL level - too slow and not enough endurance. He's definitely good at the NEAFL level, but as we know NEAFL is nowhere close to AFL standard.

Even at NEAFL level his form for us didn't scream 'pick me'. Certainly didn't come close to nine goals. Good for him that he's showing some form for Redlands but I think he had his chances with us and really didn't measure up.

 

[marooned]

Heading into forward 50 pockets seems to be a bit of a thing of recent years across the AFL - mostly to get a boundary throw-in so that you can put into place your rehearsed scenarios.

Agree its a tactic we have employed.I think port were the first to do it.The problem is its a tough kick and has to be spot on for the forward to mark it compared to putting it out in front across the ground and letting the forward run on to it.As we dont have many lace out distibutors this is one of the reasons for our low scoring ability.It does help with defensive set ups to control it coming out.

 

[Dylan12]

Who was officially credited with this goal; Cameron or Zorko?

 

[a mayes ing]

Who was officially credited with this goal; Cameron or Zorko?

Zorko iirc

 

[Dylan12]

 

[Jivlain]

Who was officially credited with this goal; Cameron or Zorko?

Originally credited to Cameron and then corrected on later review.

 

[luthor]

Happy for Zorko to be credited with the goal.

Probably needs a bit of credit a bit more than Charlie does at this point of the season, especially with everyone on his back

 

[dlanod]

Agree its a tactic we have employed.I think port were the first to do it.

It's been a Hawthorn tactic since the mid-00s when they had a younger team that could not rely on winning one on ones. Leon Cameron imported it to GWS when he came up as an assistant coach, and Fagan likewise now.

 

[MacMum]

I would hope people are on Zorko's back out of concern for his well being, whether by injury or something else.

He has been such a loyal servant to the club and this is the first time he has played this way. We need to remember that. Hopefully Fagan is on to it.

 

[Gibbo_88]

I haven't seen a game live this season yet but from what I can see, we have enough good players, they're just not playing as a team. When you have players like Beams and Zorko, you need them to perform 90% of the time.

Zorko was getting plenty of attention last year and managed to work through it. He may have got more attention from the media about how he went last year but I'd be surprised if most clubs weren't already clued on to how important he is for our momentum.

 

[lioninthesand]

Heading into forward 50 pockets seems to be a bit of a thing of recent years across the AFL - mostly to get a boundary throw-in so that you can put into place your rehearsed scenarios.

Tigers enrties were as bad as ours for large patches of the game on Sunday.

I get its the safe option if the ball changes hands and or you can set up from s throw in.. but I feel like we are so much more likely to score if we drop it in the hot spot.

Sometimes after 10 failed entries into a pocket I find myself just yelling.. 'put it in the hot spot'... lol

 

[Beastmode36]

Heading into forward 50 pockets seems to be a bit of a thing of recent years across the AFL - mostly to get a boundary throw-in so that you can put into place your rehearsed scenarios.

A big reason for heading into the pocket for an entry is because if you were to kick to the top of the square or across the face, you are a bit exposed defensively if the opposition do win it as they can take the ball into the space on the other side of the ground or through the middle without much heat and as you said getting it out means you can set up better defensively- I'm actually coached to do the same thing and I think it is probably more used now than the kick to the top of the square

 

[dlanod]

A big reason for heading into the pocket for an entry is because if you were to kick to the top of the square or across the face, you are a bit exposed defensively if the opposition do win it as they can take the ball into the space on the other side of the ground or through the middle without much heat and as you said getting it out means you can set up better defensively- I'm actually coached to do the same thing and I think it is probably more used now than the kick to the top of the square

Also it can be spoiled through for a rushed behind and loss of possession very easily. Andrews and Gardiner have been very good at doing that this year whenever an entry goes to the front of the goal posts and less than about five metres out.

Put it into a pocket instead and in theory the worst case is a contested ball/throw in.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

And despite having Cameron and Rayner in the side this year our tackles inside fifty have been quite low so we struggle to keep the ball in our forward fifty when we do manage to get it in there.

 

[Dalions]

Also it can be spoiled through for a rushed behind and loss of possession very easily. Andrews and Gardiner have been very good at doing that this year whenever an entry goes to the front of the goal posts and less than about five metres out.

Put it into a pocket instead and in theory the worst case is a contested ball/throw in.

Other teams do it a bit better than us though, we tend to bomb it in to within 3 or 4 mtrs of the goal allowing an easy spoil and rushed behind.
Most other teams tend to put it at the top of the square about 10 to 15 out so there is more chance of creating a stoppage if they don't get the goal.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Other teams do it a bit better than us though, we tend to bomb it in to within 3 or 4 mtrs of the goal allowing an easy spoil and rushed behind.
Most other teams tend to put it at the top of the square about 10 to 15 out so there is more chance of creating a stoppage if they don't get the goal.

When you think about it, even putting it to the top of the 'square' (it's a rectangle) is a bit of a nonsense given it makes players (forwards and backs) run back and therefore their momentum is already toward the goal line. How many forwards these days hover in the goal square anyway? 20 to 25 metres out would be the ideal. If you can't create a goal or a stoppage from that as the attacking team then you have bigger problems.

 

[dlanod]

When you think about it, even putting it to the top of the 'square' (it's a rectangle) is a bit of a nonsense given it makes players (forwards and backs) run back and therefore their momentum is already toward the goal line. How many forwards these days hover in the goal square anyway? 20 to 25 metres out would be the ideal. If you can't create a goal or a stoppage from that as the attacking team then you have bigger problems.

Except almost always the attacking team is outnumbered by a spare man in defense when heading to the centre of the field, so any decent defensive team can use that to good effect.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Except almost always the attacking team is outnumbered by a spare man in defense when heading to the centre of the field, so any decent defensive team can use that to good effect.

You've just highlighted one of my chief frustrations. Other teams have an extra defender but still manage to find an option up field and more often than not they take it all the way to score. Our extra man, when we use one, always seems to be under pressure and a turnover often results. The net effect is that our opponents get repeat entries but we rarely do. Even with a spare man back it is very hard to defend repeat entries.

 

[Gibbo_88]

And despite having Cameron and Rayner in the side this year our tackles inside fifty have been quite low so we struggle to keep the ball in our forward fifty when we do manage to get it in there.

That is one measurement of it. When Cameron, Rayner & Christensen have the ball kicked to their area I've seen them make sure their opponents know they are there through bumps or tackling as they dispose of the ball. I think we're doing ok, the tackles will come. A midfield that it's in position is what keeps the ball in the forward 50, those guys are just a small part of it.