Rule clarification on ROoke v Johnson Incident

[smelly cat]

Yeah they would have, and they'd still be right.

That's been a free kick all year, from R1 pre-season and onwards consistently. SC it wouldn't matter whether Johnson took the mark, got knocked out, "Rooke went down" or disappeared in a puff of smoke, it's a free kick. End of story.

I disagree with you. I don't think it is that simple. As I said, it could have gone either way and I wouldn't have critisised the umps if they didn't pay it. There's a case for and against. But we agree to disagree.

And I think a little too much is made about geelong and the umpires. It's akin to what commentators used to say with James Hird in his career. Great player, but they were so obsessed with him that everytime he'd handball to a target, McAvaney would, "Ohhhh hirrrrrrrrrrd" and make a massive deal about it.

With Geelong, opposition supporters are conditioned now to pay special attention to the very few dicey frees that go the cats way. And then make a massive deal about it. But EVERY team gets a couple of these each match.

And just to show how you fall into this short sighted and irrational group, Geelong lost the frees 20-22 last night, so no, the cats did not get a "very favourable run with whistle." If you ask me, the figures show it was umpired fairly with a few errors each way, but pretty even overall.

 

[alfy!]

Don't think it should have been a free. Rooke looked up at the ball as it came, then looked at where the ball was headed. Nothing wrong with that. Johnson got the ball, then Rooke applied the contact. AFL is a tough game.

 

[LongBomb]

It was probably a free.

It certainly wasn't the worst descision made by the umpires though.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Johnson was probably a but stiff given precedents on such decisions, but he did drop the mark prior to Rooke making contact. It may have therefore been construed as no longer a marking contest? Brad should have held andabsorbed the impact ... maybe even drawn a 50m penalty to take him right onto the goal line.

Anyway, Harbrow got a very soft one earlier in the same spot earlier on, so snakes and ladders.

Overall, an excellent job by the umps.

 

[andrepetz]

Johnson was probably a but stiff given precedents on such decisions, but he did drop the mark prior to Rooke making contact. It may have therefore been construed as no longer a marking contest? Brad should have held andabsorbed the impact ... maybe even drawn a 50m penalty to take him right onto the goal line.

Anyway, Harbrow got a very soft one earlier in the same spot earlier on, so snakes and ladders.

Overall, an excellent job by the umps.

Woulda had to be a 150m metre penalty for that, the ball was in Geelong's Fifty

 

[ShinSplints]

Yes it was a free.

It didn't cost us the game SriLankanCat, probably put the nail in the coffin though. No need to justify a wrong decsion.

the doogies came hard in the last half and if only had kicked those against the run goals wouldve won last night. THAT free NOT PAID to johnson cut the wind out of the doggies momentum for which they had most of the 3rd Quarter and first part of the last.

- good effort doggies.

 

[ShinSplints]

It was probably a free.

It certainly wasn't the worst descision made by the umpires though.

um what?? it was certainly a free and certainly the worst decision of the night!!

 

[stefoid]

Don't think it should have been a free. Rooke looked up at the ball as it came, then looked at where the ball was headed. Nothing wrong with that. Johnson got the ball, then Rooke applied the contact. AFL is a tough game.

If you dont know he rules of the game, why comment?

 

[PowerForGood]

Definitely a free kick.
Definitely did NOT cost the Bulldogs the game!

On the subject of Geelong and free kicks, I'm sure I saw Selwood get tackled, arms pinned, and a teammate took the ball out of his hands and played on. Isn't that called a throw?

 

[Jess' Doggies!!]

um what?? it was certainly a free and certainly the worst decision of the night!!

I absolutely agree it was a disgusting decision along with that holding the ball to Cooney in the Dogs 50 after it came off Johno's hands in the ruck contest!! Very VERY average umpiring...

 

[Ant_]

Rooke ran at Johnson then looked up at the football before impact....not a free kick. Johnson closed his eyes and braced for contact like a little princess.
Free to Rooke if anything.

^^ Stupid post.

 

[Jimmy 2 Shoes]

They should just remove contact from the game all together, is that what you people want to hear?

 

[always right]

They should just remove contact from the game all together, is that what you people want to hear?

WTF? It was free kick every day of the week........but why are you blokes even arguing? You won the match, you're in another GF, and nothing on this board will change that.

If it was me I'd accept that it was a poor non-decision and start getting excited about next Saturday. Leaves everybody happy.

 

[magilla]

I reckon it was either play on or free to johnson. Wouldn't have been critical if the whistle blew, but I think there was a case to let it go.

I think rooke did have eyes on the ball. And you'll see that Rooke actually face butted Johnson's face. This almost NEVER happens when players take their eye off the ball, as the instinct is to protect their faces first. The face clash would have knocked a lot of players out cold, and if Rooke went down no one would be calling for a free. It's just because he is such a hard ass and he kicked the goal that this is such a big deal

It is a big deal because it was the most obvious free kick and it didn't get paid.

Definitely a free kick.
Definitely did NOT cost the Bulldogs the game!

On the subject of Geelong and free kicks, I'm sure I saw Selwood get tackled, arms pinned, and a teammate took the ball out of his hands and played on. Isn't that called a throw?

Geelong are allowed to throw, Millburn got away with one as well.

They should just remove contact from the game all together, is that what you people want to hear?

No that's not we want to hear, but Geelong wouldn't have to milk free's from even the slightest contact. Any contact would be a free, Geelong almost have that deal now.

 

[Meow]

Sorry as an outsider watching it it was definately a free kick. Not barracking for one side or the other i definately thought geelong got a great run with the whistle. Also i dont see a lot of geelong but i saw many players dive and play act for free kicks is this normal for the geelong side.

I feel sorry for you watching it, it's Channel Sevens pathetic coverage!
Geelong got a terrible run with the whistle (Especially Stephen McBurney!)
We don't act for free kicks, we duck to reduce the chance of injury, mate!

 

[MelbourneFC_32]

It was a free kick every minute of every day of the week.
All Geelong supporters know that and anyone who tries to question it or finds little loopholes in rules, doesn't deserve to comment on football.

What a luxury it must be for Geelong to not only be the best side in the comp by far, but when they aren't at the top of their game still get a great run from the umpires.

 

[jacko57]

Rooke ran at Johnson then looked up at the football before impact....not a free kick. Johnson closed his eyes and braced for contact like a little princess.
Free to Rooke if anything.

Glad you can see it objectively!

 

[Generalissimo]

On the subject of Geelong and free kicks, I'm sure I saw Selwood get tackled, arms pinned, and a teammate took the ball out of his hands and played on. Isn't that called a throw?

No. Not unless Selwood actually handed or threw the ball to his teammate.

 

[somocca]

I feel sorry for you watching it, it's Channel Sevens pathetic coverage!
Geelong got a terrible run with the whistle (Especially Stephen McBurney!)
We don't act for free kicks, we duck to reduce the chance of injury, mate!

You are a joke. Geelong make their own rules. They are allowed to throw the ball, drop it while being tackled, get spun around 2-3 times before disposing it, charge players front on without being penalised AND they have had the most 'frees for' all year long.
I can understand that people will argue that they are first to the ball so therefore they get more freekicks than opponents. If that is the case why do the team that finished 2nd on the ladder have the least free kicks for in the competition. Surely to win so many games they too must have been first to the ball in most matches. The umpires love the Geelong side and let them get away with anything.
Wait its not just the umpires its the AFL in general, I mean how does a 4 week penalty get reduced to nothing and the player be allowed to play the next week. Oh thats right, it is because he plays for Geelong!
And as for the reigning brownlow medalist who is a player that I thought was tough before last night where I saw him continously dive and pose for free kicks, and get them may I add, it was a disgrace. The Doggies may have had more free kicks on the stat sheet but it is where they were given them that counts and the amount of non-decisions, including one that completely shut out any hope that they had of coming back.

 

[mitch richmond]

Surely we all know the system by now. Best in comp = Protected species!!!!
Every part of the AFL is dodge.
Imagine if that was TILLER flying into BARTEL = FREE KICK EVERYTIME!!!!

 

[DK#8]

The umpires are all corrupt! hahaha

Lol this thread is very amusing. I am not too sure what to make of some of you.
Either you are extremely jealous and just purely moronic. Which is it?

 

[haywood jablome]

I was glad to see that young Gary was pinged atleast once out of many opportuinities when he was spun through 360 degrees or more in a tackle before dishing off. He is allowed more time even though he needs less with his skill.

Bartell cons the umpire often by throwing his head/body back and a couple of cats have perfected the forward fall to grab in the backs. Once or twice last night they dived but no Bully was on them, they look foolish and got no reward.

Sam Mitchell and Rioli board.

 

[Glenno23]

The umpires are all corrupt! hahaha

Lol this thread is very amusing. I am not too sure what to make of some of you.
Either you are extremely jealous and just purely moronic. Which is it?

So are you saying it was a good decision?

It was a clear free kick to BJ. The rule states that you cannot make front on contact with another player in the contest. Rooke did this. Geelong go on and kick a goal and sniff out any FAINT hope the Bullies had.

It would not have affected the outcome, but any Geelong supporter who says it wasn't a free, needs to remove the blinkers.

 

[DK#8]

So are you saying it was a good decision?

It was a clear free kick to BJ. The rule states that you cannot make front on contact with another player in the contest. Rooke did this. Geelong go on and kick a goal and sniff out any FAINT hope the Bullies had.

It would not have affected the outcome, but any Geelong supporter who says it wasn't a free, needs to remove the blinkers.

I agree that it should have been a free kick to Johnson. My point is it is funny how people go on and on about the decisions that go Geelong's way,and how people actually think they are being favoured.
But in making this analysis they seem to overlook the decisions that go against Geelong and yes plenty of decisions do go against them.

 

[Glenno23]

I agree that it should have been a free kick to Johnson. My point is it is funny how people go on and on about the decisions that go Geelong's way,and how people actually think they are being favoured.
But in making this analysis they seem to overlook the decisions that go against Geelong and yes plenty of decisions do go against them.

This may be true, but this one was at a crucial time of the game and was a pretty blatant free. All teams get paid some soft frees, some don't get the obvious, and this happens in every game. But this incident was so obvious Stevie Wonder jumped out of his chair