Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay Pt 2 *Pilot Greg Lynn sentenced 32 yrs with a non-parole period of 24 yrs

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1 Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

DPP v Lynn [2024] VSCA 62 (12 April 2024) INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL​

R v Lynn (Rulings 1-4) [2024] VSC 373 (28 June 2024)​

R v Lynn (Rulings 5 & 6) [2024] VSC 375 (28 February 2024)

R v Lynn (Ruling 7) [2024] VSC 376 (8 May 2024)

The Greg Lynn Police Interview Tapes (Shortened Version)

The 3.5 HR Police Interview

R v Lynn [2024] VSC 635 (18 October 2024)​

THREADS FOR THE HIGH COUNTRY DISAPPEARED
High Country Disappearance of Prison Boss David Prideaux
The Disappearance of Warren Meyer

2008 - Warren Meyer (23 March 2008) not found
2010 - Japp and Annie Viergever (29 March 2010) both shot & 3 dogs, house burnt.
2011 - David Prideaux (5 June 2011) not found
2017 - Kevin Tenant (17 February 2018) shot 3 times, played dead.
2019 - Conrad Whitlock (29 July 2019) not found
2019 - Niels Becker (24 October 2019) not found
2020 - Russell Hill and Carol Clay (20 March 2020) murdered

Lynn's first wife Lisa, was found dead on 26 October 1999.

 

[Badd0g]

Unravelling Lynn's story is the major challenge to coming to the truth of the events on that fateful day. It seems like there are so many lies, half truths and truths that Lynn has woven into his version that it's impossible to know when one begins and one ends.
If Hill and Clay were in their pj's per Lynn's story I don't believe the phone was in Hill's pocket. And if he had a jacket on as Dogs_ R_ Us suggests Lynn probably would have noticed that rather than the pj's and Hill surely would have put his boots on. If the pj wearing was a complete fabrication by Lynn I have no idea how it contributes to his defense, in fact it detracts from it. It baffles me that he didn't find and turn Hill's phone off earlier unless he saw Hill's other phone in the car and assumed he only had one.
Such an interesting case. I'm happy he's been convicted of at least one of the murders and here's hoping the Judge doesn't go lightly on the sentence.

Perhaps the PJs thing lends weight to his version of the timeline. Most of us have been suss about that from the get-go. There is no way he managed to gather and remove all the evidence (particularly cleaning off the canopy - there must have been significant brain matter there for him to have noticed it) , get 2 full sized adults into a trailer, pack up his own camp and all the other associated acts in the dark and in the timeframe he says he did.

 

[Run n Spread]

The channel 7 reporter couldn’t have put more words in RH’s wife’s mouth than if they tried, I felt sorry for her, for the way she was somewaht exploited for that exclusive on TV but I guess she needed to vent. She was quite the opposite of what I imagine CC to be. RH was definitely living another life with CC

IMO these murders didn’t generate anywhere near as much outrage as would if the couple involved was younger. That two oldies lost their lives is a bit sad more that its horrific, which is a sad indictment. Sensing a bit of ageist coverage of the case, in a similar vein to the way sex workers’ murders are downgraded.

This case has gotten plenty of attention. And outrage now the verdict. Most murders don't make the press.
Feel for all the families and friends.
Also no one knows what goes on in private lives. Maybe she turned a blind eye. Who knows?
Ultimately as in all murder cases you can and absolutely should punish the offender but it is not going to bring anyone back

 

[Run n Spread]

If the gate to the north was open he would have got away with it.

If he didn't take the phone he would have got away with it - this to me is so odd considering everything else he did. Why did he keep it? Was he hoping it would ping to create a red herring, I assumed since the Adrian Bailey case it was well understood what phones, even turned off could do.

Heck, if he didn't crack on day 3 of the police interview would they have been able to convict him of anything? Given that it was only his admission that connected his firearm to the ballistic and forensic evidence.

If his phone didnt ping at the campsite (no signal) he could've just denied being there.
RHs phone was pinged and matched to 12 vehicles who travelled at the time.
What stuffed GL was the indirect route he took. But it's not a crime. If he stayed silent there wouldn't have been enough for a charge.
Reckon the police won the poker game. Even his answers it's inevitable etc. They had less than he thought.
What I find extremely weird is even thou the camp site was burnt along with some of the car it wasn't treated as suspicious until some time later. Surely burn patterns would indicate it was deliberately lit

 

[theouthouse]

Not going to happen.

Cast your mind back of all the murders committed in Victoria where a body has been dumped in a shallow grave or their legs cut off to fit in a barrel or the homosexual necropheliac who went back the next day to bugger the body again (that happened in the remote bush too) ,

I can't remember one of being charged let alone being convicted of disposing of a body or interfering with a corpse.

If they were going to charge him with any further matters it would have been already done and heard at the same time

Any Court would take a very dim view of a prosecution doling out charges related to the one offence in dribs and drabs

A murder conviction is a trump card

He has been found not guilty of the murder of RH and will not be sentenced for his actions directly relating to RH.

The court defined them as separate instances.

He has admitted to those other offences and should now be tried as a matter of justice for RH.

 

[gymjam]

Unfortunately it comes across as victim blaming, whether or not that was your intention.

Everyone's perception is different. People read what they want to read.

 

[thumbs_up]

Everyone's perception is different. People read what they want to read.

How many people would you need to say what I said before you'd engage in self reflection on the matter?

 

[Kurve]

Just listened to the latest pod ep... Sounds like Sly has been reading through BF posts...

Yeah I listened to it last night and thought the same thing. Eyes on.

 

[Terrafirma]

Unravelling Lynn's story is the major challenge to coming to the truth of the events on that fateful day. It seems like there are so many lies, half truths and truths that Lynn has woven into his version that it's impossible to know when one begins and one ends.
If Hill and Clay were in their pj's per Lynn's story I don't believe the phone was in Hill's pocket. And if he had a jacket on as Dogs_ R_ Us suggests Lynn probably would have noticed that rather than the pj's and Hill surely would have put his boots on. If the pj wearing was a complete fabrication by Lynn I have no idea how it contributes to his defense, in fact it detracts from it. It baffles me that he didn't find and turn Hill's phone off earlier unless he saw Hill's other phone in the car and assumed he only had one.
Such an interesting case. I'm happy he's been convicted of at least one of the murders and here's hoping the Judge doesn't go lightly on the sentence.

Didn't realize Hill had 2 phones? Perhaps one was for chatting to Carol Clay? 2 phones is unusual?

 

[Run n Spread]

They have a pretty warped sense of jail house justice generally. He’ll be viewed as being low on the totem pole for murdering elderly people, case was very high profile and if he takes his current attitude into jail he’s not going to win any Dale Carnegie awards.

Bloody ridiculous they are roaming about joining prison gangs etc. Lock them in their cells and leave them there.
Each can have an hour of exercise supervised in small groups/individually if at all

 

[Run n Spread]

So true - The notion that Russell Hill was just a grumpy old guy asking for trouble. The media love to pigeon hole people because dumbed down suits them and their readers.

Who said he was grumpy? Some said he was in a bad mood/wouldn't back down vs gentle and didn't do.confrontation.
Like 99% of people the perceptions are the mood he was in at the time

 

[Terrafirma]

Who said he was grumpy? Some said he was in a bad mood/wouldn't back down vs gentle and didn't do.confrontation.
Like 99% of people the perceptions are the mood he was in at the time

Lot's of people have said he was grumpy. The weed sprayers called him a grumpy looking old man who sped past them from memory and Dermot Dann did as well. He struggled with retirement and I think was quoted as telling people about flying the drone illegally that he didn't give a f___k. He struggled with some issues that may have given people this perception.

 

[Kurve]

Yes 1 x conviction for Clay means Clay's family get some money and none for the Hill family. If I were the families they could decide to share the funds but that would be up to the families and 'm guessing unlikely. We don't know if there is some resent already between the families, only they would know? Russell only has himself to blame for the wife and girlfriend scenario, obviously not for being murdered he could not have known he was dealing with a Physco Killer IMO or when he found out it was too late for him to do much, he had no way of defending himself against a gun. I believe he was also shot and that's why Lynn claims Hill and himself fired shots off to cover for the fact someone could have heard those gunshots in the valley. Witnesses Lynn already met and knew were there. It's a sad post death scenario, this is when the emotions and pain set in and any frustrations with what could have been done differently etc etc

Not necessarily, a conviction isn't always required to secure a payment from VOCAT. Actioning a civil case against doesn't require a conviction either.

 

[GrayRanga]

He has been found not guilty of the murder of RH and will not be sentenced for his actions directly relating to RH.

The court defined them as separate instances.

He has admitted to those other offences and should now be tried as a matter of justice for RH.

Lynn was charged with Hill's murder and aquitted of that charge.

The story ends.

I understand what your saying, but Courts don't deal with "Justice"; they judge, and punish if convicted, people who have been charged with an offence defined by statute.

He was never charged with the post murder offences.

Decisions were made not to charge him with them by the DPP, the Court and even the defence.

The Court is not a time machine, it can't go back to change things that did not happen

During the course of a trial, the prosection can downgrade the charges to a lesser offence, or even decide to not prosecute further, it cannot upgrade the charges to a more serious offences.

 

[Kurve]

Didn't realize Hill had 2 phones? Perhaps one was for chatting to Carol Clay? 2 phones is unusual?

We had a big discussion about how many phones there was because partnered/married men who keep mistresses usually have a sly phone they keep hidden in their car.

I'd figured this spare phone was on Hill's body and Lynn had two in his hand, which might have explained why he didn't know one was turned on to ping in Hotham.

Turns out there was a third mobile phone but Lynn missed it leaving it behind in Hill's vehicle and he just didn't realise he was travelling with an active phone.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Perhaps the PJs thing lends weight to his version of the timeline. Most of us have been suss about that from the get-go. There is no way he managed to gather and remove all the evidence (particularly cleaning off the canopy - there must have been significant brain matter there for him to have noticed it) , get 2 full sized adults into a trailer, pack up his own camp and all the other associated acts in the dark and in the timeframe he says he did.

The timeframe is supported by Hill’s radio call to his friends and the road cameras that captured Lynn’s vehicle. So he did have to clean up hurriedly and in the dark. Hence things got inevitably missed.

 

[Kurve]

Murder OR manslaughter or any crime within that, ie assault, recklessly cause injury, threat to kill, etc, etc. Double jeopardy

Whether he can be charged now separately for any offence AFTER RH died, ie, 'interfering with a corpse' I am not sure.

My guess would be no, as the facts that make up that offence were part of the Crown case of murder. So I don't think he can be presented on that again under a different charge.

Again, double jeopardy

Not unless there is fresh and compelling new evidence.

Lynn might yet be charged with interfering with a corpse and destruction of evidence or similar but I'm not sure they'd bother unless it's to try and get something by way of conviction for the Hill family, subject to statute of limitation.

 

[Percel]

Lot's of people have said he was grumpy. The weed sprayers called him a grumpy looking old man who sped past them from memory and Dermot Dann did as well. He struggled with retirement and I think was quoted as telling people about flying the drone illegally that he didn't give a f___k. He struggled with some issues that may have given people this perception.

I know you’re not shocked that Dann called him grumpy…

 

[Kurve]

Sorry but it just doesn't happen like that in Australia

Yeh, it can and it does.

Sue for damages​

You may also be able to make a civil claim against the offender to get compensation for the injury you have suffered. This will depend on whether the offender has any assets (money or other things they own). The offender does not have to have been convicted or found guilty in a criminal court for this to happen. You can include the loss, destruction or damage of your property in your claim. Get other support for victims of crime.

Financial assistance and compensation​

Victims of crime may be able to get financial assistance from the Victims of Crime Assistance Tribunal, or compensation from the person who committed the crime.

www.legalaid.vic.gov.au

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Lot's of people have said he was grumpy. The weed sprayers called him a grumpy looking old man who sped past them from memory and Dermot Dann did as well. He struggled with retirement and I think was quoted as telling people about flying the drone illegally that he didn't give a f___k. He struggled with some issues that may have given people this perception.

But how is that relevant? Not saying you are victim-blaming but Hill's demeanour or facial expression doesn't mean he "asked for it", which Lynn and the defence were hinting at. Many people are unfairly judged on the way they look at a given time. He probably wasn't a bit grumpy when he was around his friends. There are plenty of people, young and old, who don't give a **** about doing what they want, and struggle with personal issues such as unemployment.

It's really irrelevant to the case. Unless we're talking provocation, which itself is no defence. Someone reacting badly to a situation, either verbally or by passive-aggressive actions, shouldn't result in them being killed.

 

[Dirh Semaj]

Ironic, he was cooking steak and mushrooms when he got arrested.

Beef Wellington?

 

[Analysis Reactor]

No such thing as "suing an estate for damages" in Australia

Lynn has already lost his house to Dann. Dann is on holidays sipping on a martini by the beach thinking “I need a few more clients like old mate Lynn”

 

[Zidane98]

But how is that relevant? Not saying you are victim-blaming but Hill's demeanour or facial expression doesn't mean he "asked for it", which Lynn and the defence were hinting at. Many people are unfairly judged on the way they look at a given time. He probably wasn't a bit grumpy when he was around his friends. There are plenty of people, young and old, who don't give a **** about doing what they want, and struggle with personal issues such as unemployment.

It's really irrelevant to the case. Unless we're talking provocation, which itself is no defence. Someone reacting badly to a situation, either verbally or by passive-aggressive actions, shouldn't result in them being killed.

It would be relevant in the likelihood that RH initiated a confrontation with GL so in that manner it was definitely relevant to the case. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that could have been the case with RH. Being a grumpy bastard, his tendency to tell hunters off etc. Setting up camp right next door in the Wonnangatta itself is not what a camper would typically do. This was his territory in his eyes. That probably played a large part in the jury acquitting GL of murder, they may have formed the view that RH did accost GL and ended up dead in a fight.

Whatever the result of that altercation the facts are that CC died from GL's gun and she in no way as a third party to an altercation should be killed. Therefore the only reasonable explanation left is murder.

 

[Zidane98]

Lynn has already lost his house to Dann. Dann is on holidays sipping on a martini by the beach thinking “I need a few more clients like old mate Lynn”

Wonder how GL's unfair dismissal case with Jetstar is going.

 

[Terrafirma]

I know you’re not shocked that Dann called him grumpy…

I guess we can all get grumpy at times. Dann was obviously trying to setup Hill as the aggressor.

 

[Terrafirma]

Wonder how GL's unfair dismissal case with Jetstar is going.

I don't think it went any further because Jetstar would of had a clause in his employment contract that said "Thou Shall Not __________" He would of been in breach of that even though at that point in time he was Not Guilty.