Sally Rugg vs Monique Ryan

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Big Papa Ted said:
Having read this thread, its terrifying to know that some people would throw their mum in a bonfire if they thought it supported the 'big picture'
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You're terrified pretty easily. I hope all those puppet chief of staffs in the major parties and far right wing parties get a pay rise at tax payers expense so they can advocate for more coal mines and buy a third car. And advocate for lower wages for everyone else.
Especially those fine Australians in Family First and One Nation.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
You're terrified pretty easily. I hope all those puppet chief of staffs in the major parties and far right wing parties get a pay rise at tax payers expense so they can advocate for more coal mines and buy a third car. And advocate for lower wages for everyone else.
Especially those fine Australians in Family First and One Nation.
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Yes good good. Because other parties underpay and overwork their staff, Ryan should be able to do so as well.

All in the name of the cause ✊
 
Big Papa Ted said:
Yes good good. Because other parties underpay and overwork their staff, Ryan should be able to do so as well.

All in the name of the cause ✊
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Let's make the highly esteemed neurologist with an international reputation in research and clinical trials the scapegoat then.
And we won't mention other MPs doing the same and worse.
 

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Aristotle Pickett said:
Let's make the highly esteemed neurologist with an international reputation in research and clinical trials the scapegoat then.
And we won't mention other MPs doing the same and worse.
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You keep bringing up that Ryan is a neurologist. Why? What does that have to do with her ability as an MP and people manager? At the time, did you think Ben Roberts Smith was the perfect person to be the GM of Seven Queensland because he was an excellent soldier (appointment was made prior to the allegations obviously). I certainly didn't, because I understood they're distinctly different roles. Stop trying to use her previous role as a form of transfer fallacy

If other MP staffers come out and make similar allegations with evidence, I'll back them to the hilt. Until that point however, you're just trying to deflect from Ryan's poor conduct with blatant Whataboutism.
 
Big Papa Ted said:
You keep bringing up that Ryan is a neurologist. Why? What does that have to do with her ability as an MP and people manager? At the time, did you think Ben Roberts Smith was the perfect person to be the GM of Seven Queensland because he was an excellent soldier (appointment was made prior to the allegations obviously). I certainly didn't, because I understood they're distinctly different roles. Stop trying to use her previous role as a form of transfer fallacy

If other MP staffers come out and make similar allegations with evidence, I'll back them to the hilt. Until that point however, you're just trying to deflect from Ryan's poor conduct with blatant Whataboutism.
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Aristotle Pickett is just repeatedly putting Ryan's credentials up and Rugg's down.

The media do this all the time when they want to set the narrative on something because they know over time by sheer weight of numbers that repetitiveness will start to stick in peoples minds and be taken as valid

he's trying to set the narrative that Ryan knows what she is doing and Rugg doesn't
 
Big Papa Ted said:
You keep bringing up that Ryan is a neurologist. Why? What does that have to do with her ability as an MP and people manager? At the time, did you think Ben Roberts Smith was the perfect person to be the GM of Seven Queensland because he was an excellent soldier (appointment was made prior to the allegations obviously). I certainly didn't, because I understood they're distinctly different roles. Stop trying to use her previous role as a form of transfer fallacy

If other MP staffers come out and make similar allegations with evidence, I'll back them to the hilt. Until that point however, you're just trying to deflect from Ryan's poor conduct with blatant Whataboutism.
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People should have respect for people in alturistic professions who aren't valued in modern capitalist society.
Her research helps millions of people potentially.
I don't like people hacking away at her character unfairly especially when you consider the rest of the on-the-take swill in parliament.
I was a nurse for 10 years and I respected medical professionals because I know how hard they work and what they have to put up with.
I'm finding it a bit too much that a self-important millenial is trashing a reputation for her own monetary benefit.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
People should have respect for people in alturistic professions who aren't valued in modern capitalist society.
Her research helps millions of people potentially.
I don't like people hacking away at her character unfairly esoecually when you consider the rest of the on-the-take swill in parliament.
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I reckon she's pretty fairly valued mate 😅😅😅

Who's hacking at her character? I honestly haven't seen anyone attack Ryan other than contending that she probably didn't do a good job managing her staff. The fact that one of them is suing her is testament to that fact.

The only person I've seen slinging mud in this thread is you, trying to discredit Rugg repeatedly.
 
Big Papa Ted said:

I reckon she's pretty fairly valued mate 😅😅😅

Who's hacking at her character? I honestly haven't seen anyone attack Ryan other than contending that she probably didn't do a good job managing her staff. The fact that one of them is suing her is testament to that fact.

The only person I've seen slinging mud in this thread is you, trying to discredit Rugg repeatedly.
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Rugg misrepresented her abilities in her job application. The job add clearly stated the demands of the job. Rugg couldn't allocate properly, that was the main problem. If Ryan told me off I'd take it on the chin and move on.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
Rugg misrepresented her abilities in her job application. The job add clearly stated the demands of the job. Rugg couldn't allocate properly, that was the main problem. If Ryan told me off I'd take it on the chin and move on.
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Alright now you're just completely shifting the goalposts at will.

First it was "people shouldn't slag off Ryan, she doesn't deserve it"

"No ones slagged off Ryan, you're the only person slagging off a party on this"

"Yeah but Rugg deserved it"

Get a grip mate and stop defending people because they're on your 'team'. All the best
 
Big Papa Ted said:
Alright now you're just completely shifting the goalposts at will.

First it was "people shouldn't slag off Ryan, she doesn't deserve it"

"No ones slagged off Ryan, you're the only person slagging off a party on this"

"Yeah but Rugg deserved it"

Get a grip mate and stop defending people because they're on your 'team'. All the best
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The middle quote is someone elses. Also, I'm not a Teal voter.
 

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Aristotle Pickett said:
People should have respect for people in alturistic professions who aren't valued in modern capitalist society.
Her research helps millions of people potentially.
I don't like people hacking away at her character unfairly especially when you consider the rest of the on-the-take swill in parliament.
I was a nurse for 10 years and I respected medical professionals because I know how hard they work and what they have to put up with.
I'm finding it a bit too much that a self-important millenial is trashing a reputation for her own monetary benefit.
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Ms Rugg is having her time in the sun.
You dont have to criticise her Ari.
 
"[Rugg’s] submissions to the contrary had a significant degree of unreality about them.”

That was because Rugg appeared to be suggesting she could “set her own boundaries about what work she would do and how much work she considered reasonable”, the judge said.

www.theguardian.com

Sally Rugg’s bid to keep working for Monique Ryan dismissed by federal court

Judge says it would likely not be ‘tolerable’ for pair to work together until the beginning of Fair Work dismissal case
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Johnny Bananas said:
Ah, here we go. Any credibility you had left with me disappeared with that line.
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So you think Sally's motivation is for all workers?
What do you make of her petty comments about Ryan wants to be PM? How is that relevant to anything. That was petty nastiness, her ego has obviously been dented by Ryan.
Sally has to learn that being an activist doesn't make you an important person.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
Ryan is a self-described centrist.[28] She campaigned on a platform of action on climate change, political integrity, and gender equality.

Ryan was previously a member of the Australian Labor Party between 2007 and 2010.[29]
Gralin , she's not a tory.
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good to see you have no idea what a tree tory is

here's a hint, you'll find them in the greens and Labor as well

the Teals are the perfect embodiment of them though

socially progressive but fiscally conservative's appealing to others that want action on climate change but still want their stage three tax cuts and franking credits and super tax havens etc
 
Gralin said:
good to see you have no idea what a tree tory is

here's a hint, you'll find them in the greens and Labor as well

the Teals are the perfect embodiment of them though

socially progressive but fiscally conservative's appealing to others that want action on climate change but still want their stage three tax cuts and franking credits and super tax havens etc
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She was a Labor party member for two years. Her main priority is climate.
She is against stage 3 tax cuts -

'Dr Monique Ryan is facing significant backlash for her support of axing stage three tax cuts after the teal independent MP said the government was being “wedged” by the Opposition on the issue.

The first term MP, who represents the wealthy Melbourne electorate of Kooyong, has remained steadfast that the tax cuts should be scrapped as Labor doubles down on its commitment not to alter the legislated plan.

Dr Ryan said the tax cuts were legislated before the mounting debt levels and government had to “respond to the challenges” in front of it, but Opposition Leader Peter Dutton hit back and said the teal MP had not “been honest” with her electorate in the campaign.'

I doubt she supports super tax havens either.
Are Labor tories for supporting franking credits?

You've got the wrong info from somewhere.
You're running out of evidence to call her a tory. I'm not really sure why you take this angle on her, it's just not true.
 
nobbyiscool said:
It's far from over.



Justice Mortimer has specifically not made judgements on the facts of the case, only on the interlocutory action that would've allowed Rugg to return to work, because it's clearly untenable.

From here the Commonwealth will try and settle... so I guess the test is the extent of Rugg's activism on behalf of other staff and the findings of the Jenkins report.
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true! nonetheless, some justice mortimer's comments were intriguing.

“Even on the most favourable view of Ms Rugg’s submissions about how responsibly they might each try to behave, I do not consider the situation is likely to be tolerable, let alone productive and workable, for either of them,” the judge said.

“[Rugg’s] submissions to the contrary had a significant degree of unreality about them.”

That was because Rugg appeared to be suggesting she could “set her own boundaries about what work she would do and how much work she considered reasonable”, the judge said.


“She gives no detail about how she considers she could work on a day-to-day basis to manage any tensions or challenges, or how she considers her concerns about working hours could be addressed. There is nothing but an assertion.”
 
Not Important said:
true! nonetheless, some justice mortimer's comments were intriguing.

“Even on the most favourable view of Ms Rugg’s submissions about how responsibly they might each try to behave, I do not consider the situation is likely to be tolerable, let alone productive and workable, for either of them,” the judge said.

“[Rugg’s] submissions to the contrary had a significant degree of unreality about them.”

That was because Rugg appeared to be suggesting she could “set her own boundaries about what work she would do and how much work she considered reasonable”, the judge said.


“She gives no detail about how she considers she could work on a day-to-day basis to manage any tensions or challenges, or how she considers her concerns about working hours could be addressed. There is nothing but an assertion.”
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None of that is a comment on the case, just on their relationship & how it would feasibly work (or not.)
 
nobbyiscool said:
None of that is a comment on the case, just on their relationship & how it would feasibly work (or not.)
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really!. i would have thought it was an indictment on the rugg case. pointing out there were holes in it. of course, justice mortimer was at pains 2 also say that "Ms Rugg’s arguments at trial about contraventions of the [Fair Work Act] may well succeed’"
 

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