Sam Newman speaks out on Houli/Saad protest in wake of Fraser Annings speech

[romeohwho]

This is why we have elections. We can protest at the ballot box. Go march on parliament house, but don't bring it to a sporting stadium! I just loathe sports stars who think it’s their place to offer unasked-for opinions on political issues rather than sticking to what they’re paid for, i.e. playing football! in front of thousands of people who just want to enjoy a game for a few hours! You're an athlete first and a person second for that short time, otherwise hand back your paycheck!

Yep, we have elections but that doesn’t preclude the right to protest-plenty of times the law and the government lag behind community opinion and protesting can help the gov’t to catch up.
It’s not really as simple as check your conscience in at the gate as you walk through though is it? Whether one is the audience or the performer. Most jobs, surely one takes one’s moral compass to the job. I am happy to hear the opinions of sportstars-why ever not.

 

[TiggerMan22]

Gee, i dunno, aaaaahhhh, Lakemba for one.


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Do you actually understand what Sharia Law is? Just because it has a large Muslim population doesn't mean they are "under sharia law".

Try again.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

So long as you are consistent I am happy. You agree then that the darling of the liberal left, Muhammed Ali's dear friend, Billy Crystal is a racist? You must also agree that Ted Danson, who was dating and roasting Whoopi Goldberg when he appeared in AL Jolson black face and used the N word at least 20 times in his speech, is a racist. Consistency is very important. Surely using the N word multiple times is more racist than a silly comment comparing a man to a monkey. I know that Newman repeatedly compared Dunstall to an ape for years. He did this because he believed Dunstall looked like a gorilla. I am sure he made the reference to the Malaysian man for the same reason. Call him uncouth or a bogan. I don't believe he has a racist bone in his body.

Cool with that. First time I realized that Billy Crystal was a darling of the liberal left. Things you learn, hey.

 

[akneal]

It's been covered. The poll is fundamentally flawed but go with whatever makes you happy.

Whatever makes me happy? I'm sure the poll is flawed but the idea to label one side of the debate as just "wrong", when in this case it seems like a large number of people are from that side of the debate serves no purpose at all.

 

[peternorth]

I hope sam says the same things on the footy show

 

[sataris]

Whatever makes me happy? I'm sure the poll is flawed but the idea to label one side of the debate as just "wrong", when in this case it seems like a large number of people are from that side of the debate serves no purpose at all.

If 50 million people believe in something that's wrong.

It's still wrong.

 

[Number37]

If 50 million people believe in something that's wrong.

It's still wrong.

The Confucius award goes to......

Sataris.

You'll scare people with that kind of logic.

Just wait for someone *cough* Snake Baker *cough* to say 50 million people can't be wrong.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

The Footy show is racist and sexist rubbish aimed at uneducated bogans. Their audience will lap this bigoted rubbish up.

 

[akneal]

It's about 50-50.

Do I think the other 50% is wrong?

Yes.

It's about 50-50.

Do I think the other 50% is wrong?

Yes.

I tend to not agree with racists or idiots.

But a 2 for 1 in this day and age is quite rare.

This serves no purpose at all though. Whilst yes this is just a Bigfooty thread and really has almost no impact on anything at all, the idea to just dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with you on these sorts of issues as "racists or "idiots" has no benefit at all. Of course some people in the debate would be racist, but it is a small minority. It is a complicated issue which I really don't think has an obvious answer so to just classify half of the people as what you have is ridiculous. All it comes across as doing is you deflecting the need to actually have a proper discussion about it.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

So long as you are consistent I am happy. You agree then that the darling of the liberal left, Muhammed Ali's dear friend, Billy Crystal is a racist? You must also agree that Ted Danson, who was dating and roasting Whoopi Goldberg when he appeared in AL Jolson black face and used the N word at least 20 times in his speech, is a racist. Consistency is very important. Surely using the N word multiple times is more racist than a silly comment comparing a man to a monkey. I know that Newman repeatedly compared Dunstall to an ape for years. He did this because he believed Dunstall looked like a gorilla. I am sure he made the reference to the Malaysian man for the same reason. Call him uncouth or a bogan. I don't believe he has a racist bone in his body.

Oh man, I wasn't aware of that stuff. Oh, geez, there are some trainwrecks in there. Like I said about Newman, at best they were being insanely racially insensitive at a time when they should have known better. I do note there was worldwide condemnation of Crystal and Danson.

One piece of cognitive dissonance, I do have to grapple with is being a fan of Peter Sellers and the movie The Party. I reckon he is a comic genius in it. By the standards of today, it is racist and probably wouldn't be allowed today. However Hyrundi is the hero of the movie and ultimately it is the shallowness of Hollywood that is shown up in the climax.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Semantics. Switch racism for discrimination and all arguments stand.

Spot on. I love it when people think they can spew their rubbish about Islam because its not a race so isn't racist. They don't care if it means what they've said makes them hateful bigots ... as long as they're not racist

 

[mouncey2franklin]

What right does Sam Newman think he has to air his honest opinions?

At some point, these people with wrongthink opinions will understand that their right to express their opinions does not carry over into topics which hurt the feelings of oppressed people.

And in case you don't know, oppressed people is basically anybody other than a white male. Which is exactly what Sam is.

 

[Ron The Bear]

If 50 million people believe in something that's wrong.

It's still wrong.

I know what you mean. Journey sold 50 million albums, but I never rated them.

 

[Murphkreuzmitch]

To answer the OP.

Do I agree with Sam? No
Was the protest beneficial? Not in my eyes.

Frazer Annings speech was widely condemned, there will be no way anything mentioned would be taken for more than a rant from a shit person. I just don’t see why anyone would want to give this more oxygen. Suffocate it and let it go peacefully I say.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I don't preach to any deity - am I welcome?

 

[Godchin]

I tend to not agree with racists or idiots.

But a 2 for 1 in this day and age is quite rare.

"Sam Newman dumb. Me smart."

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

If 50 million people believe in something that's wrong.

It's still wrong.

I think this quite eloquently shows what is wrong with the discussion and why there will never be any real progress unless drastic change is made.

I disagree with most of the right wing ethos, but the liberal/left wingers complete inability to even acknowledge that there is another view outside of their own is shocking. You can't even fathom the idea that there is merit to the other sides argument, can you? Its just simply "wrong" to you. Or simply "racists", or "bigoted".

Its this f*cked up mindset of talking down to people who disagree with you that gave us Trump, i hope you realise that, so thanks...

 

[Mr_Moogle]

In any sane country, those comments would see Newman sacked. This is Australia though.

 

[TimmeT]

In any sane country, those comments would see Newman sacked. This is Australia though.

Why should Newman be sacked for having a different opinion?

 

[Cmarsh]

Eddie Mcguire and the footy show should distance itself from Newman's comments.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Why should Newman be sacked for having a different opinion?

He should be sacked specifically because he's a liability for channel 9 and he's poison for their brand.

Having a right to an opinion doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for saying a bunch of offensive, uninformed bullshit on a Podcast. Newman is a high profile person. His words carry weight regardless of the fact he's an ignoramus.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Please tell me Eddie kept his mouth shut?

 

[Slartibartfast]

It’s amazing though that you make such a comment but yet Sam Newmans’s side appears to be the majority based on the poll, despite ridiculous levels of outrage in the comments.

Ah well , that’s it then.
Newman for PM

 

[Andrew Mc]

I don't preach to any deity - am I welcome?

Not even the God of Boos?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Oh man, I wasn't aware of that stuff. Oh, geez, there are some trainwrecks in there. Like I said about Newman, at best they were being insanely racially insensitive at a time when they should have known better. I do note there was worldwide condemnation of Crystal and Danson.

One piece of cognitive dissonance, I do have to grapple with is being a fan of Peter Sellers and the movie The Party. I reckon he is a comic genius in it. By the standards of today, it is racist and probably wouldn't be allowed today. However Hyrundi is the hero of the movie and ultimately it is the shallowness of Hollywood that is shown up in the climax.

Time and context need to be considered